40 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Fine with me. If we draft OL high I want Kenyon Green anyway.

As one who observes OL play with relish, how much did Dickerson pull last season? I ask this because that are scenarios posted that have Dickerson moving to center, especially if the Eagles draft a guard with one of the first-round picks.. I know that in the Eagles' offense Kelce pulls frequently. I am concerned about the long-term wear and tear on Dickerson's surgically reconstructed knees, ankles, etc. I wonder if the optimal long-term strategy would be to retain Dickerson at guard.

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

As one who observes OL play with relish, how much did Dickerson pull last season? I ask this because that are scenarios posted that have Dickerson moving to center, especially if the Eagles draft a guard with one of the first-round picks.. I know that in the Eagles' offense Kelce pulls frequently. I am concerned about the long-term wear and tear on Dickerson's surgically reconstructed ness, ankles, etc. I wonder if the optimal long-term strategy would be to retain Dickerson at guard.

I think the OL scheme will change once Kelce walks away.  No way they can expect the same results from a different center (Lindebaum being the possible exception).

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I was very much against the Mailata, Sweat, and Goedert extensions.  I still think, in general, it’s best to sign players immediately after their contract expires.  There’s a reason players don’t like to do that.

But so far, those extensions have all been good.

Many players want to hit free agency. Some want security. It's not black and white.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think the OL scheme will change once Kelce walks away.  No way they can expect the same results from a different center (Lindebaum being the possible exception).

I would still like to limit Dickerson's movement responsibilities.

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Dillard to the Rams would make too much sense. 

Too bad their picks suck. They have a comp 3, comp 4, and their 5th. I know Snead is F them picks but I doubt they give up the 3, so question is would you trade him for a comp 4th? I think you can get better. 

6 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I'd actually be surprised if Linderbaum is available to us at 15.  Kelce has made a guy like Linderbaum more valuable.   The formula is in: athletic, nimble center with larger, bruising guards on either side.  If he does fall I'd either take him or field the trade offers for him.   There should be several 

On the subject on trade-downs for the Eagles in their draft slots, I went back 10 years and looked at historical trades from that range.  I’ve ignored trade-ups (I raised that possibility yesterday of trading 16 and 19 to move into the top 5).

2013 — DAL traded #18 to SF for #31 and a 3rd round pick #74.  SF took Eric Reid 

2015 — SF traded #15 to SD for #17, #117, and a 2016 5th round pick.  SD took Melvin Gordon

2018 — BAL traded #16 and 154 to BUF for #22 and #65.  BUF took Tremaine Edmunds

2018 — SEA traded #18 and 248 to GB for picks #27, 76, and 186.  GB took Jaire Alexander

 

So, for the folks banging the table for the Eagles to trade one of their 1st round picks to get a 2023 1st round pick — it doesn’t seem to work that way.  You’re looking at picking up an extra 3rd round pick for your efforts.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

On the subject on trade-downs for the Eagles in their draft slots, I went back 10 years and looked at historical trades from that range.  I’ve ignored trade-ups (I raised that possibility yesterday of trading 16 and 19 to move into the top 5).

2013 — DAL traded #18 to SF for #31 and a 3rd round pick #74.  SF took Eric Reid 

2015 — SF traded #15 to SD for #17, #117, and a 2016 5th round pick.  SD took Melvin Gordon

2018 — BAL traded #16 and 154 to BUF for #22 and #65.  BUF took Tremaine Edmunds

2018 — SEA traded #18 and 248 to GB for picks #27, 76, and 186.  GB took Jaire Alexander

 

So, for the folks banging the table for the Eagles to trade one of their 1st round picks to get a 2023 1st round pick — it doesn’t seem to work that way.  You’re looking at picking up an extra 3rd round pick for your efforts.

I always thought the idea of trading a first this year for a future first next year was easier said than done. They really need a QB on the board some team in the 20’s covet, and then will probably have to add a mid round pick or something else to sweeten the deal. Eagles traded back 20 spots from #32 while adding a 4th and got a future 2nd.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Too bad their picks suck. They have a comp 3, comp 4, and their 5th. I know Snead is F them picks but I doubt they give up the 3, so question is would you trade him for a comp 4th? I think you can get better. 

Do they have any players they need to trade for salary reasons?  

45 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I would still like to limit Dickerson's movement responsibilities.

Agreed.  But I'm pretty sure thats what I said I expect would happen were he to move to the middle.

32 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Too bad their picks suck. They have a comp 3, comp 4, and their 5th. I know Snead is F them picks but I doubt they give up the 3, so question is would you trade him for a comp 4th? I think you can get better. 

Player for player and pick trade.

Dillard for Van Jefferson and the comp 4 works for me.

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I always thought the idea of trading a first this year for a future first next year was easier said than done. They really need a QB on the board some team in the 20’s covet, and then will probably have to add a mid round pick or something else to sweeten the deal. Eagles traded back 20 spots from #32 while adding a 4th and got a future 2nd.

It was easier done when they had a high pick, in the top 10, and the higher the greater the chance.  Being the middle, its just a long shot to get a future 1.  But maybe a trade back from 19 to the top of the second could bring back a second in '23.  Hopefully with a team like the Lions who are likely to be picking high again.  Trade away 19 for 34 this year, get 33 or 34 next year, and maybe an extra 3rd or 4th this year to boot.

 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I was very much against the Mailata, Sweat, and Goedert extensions.  I still think, in general, it’s best to sign players immediately after their contract expires.  There’s a reason players don’t like to do that.

But so far, those extensions have all been good.

I’m fine with them.  They are less costly than a likely FA deal.  I can’t think of a deal for a draft pick about to hit FA that wasn’t something like a one year prove it deal or a higher end new contract. 

41 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Too bad their picks suck. They have a comp 3, comp 4, and their 5th. I know Snead is F them picks but I doubt they give up the 3, so question is would you trade him for a comp 4th? I think you can get better. 

Dillard for Donald 

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I’m fine with them.  They are less costly than a likely FA deal.  I can’t think of a deal for a draft pick about to hit FA that wasn’t something like a one year prove it deal or a higher end new contract. 

Dillard for Donald 

Mailata for Stafford 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Mailata for Stafford 

Would be cap neutral 

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

He and Bonitto are 2 guys I'm interested in from a pure "what's their role in the NFL going to be?" POV.  I think both have a shot at being really good in the right scheme. 

Yes sir. I really want him or Bonitto for that outside LB spot too. Pair one of them up with either a good free agent signing or another draftee LB like Muma, Harris, Clark, Walker... Would be a nice combination. 

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Would be cap neutral 

For a guy who lost his mind prior to last season about the team's salary cap situation, then lost his mind over mailata's dead cap hit while never considering that Wilson could restructure his contract, and then redid the math and still got it wrong, you are pretty confident about your cap skills.

I will give you credit, you are not afraid to die on Stupidity Mountain.

Just now, jsb235 said:

For a guy who lost his mind prior to last season about the team's salary cap situation, then lost his mind over mailata's dead cap hit while never considered that Wilson could restructure his contract, and then redid the math and still got it wrong, you are pretty confident about your cap skills.

I will give you credit, you are not afraid to die on Stupidity Mountain.

I discuss/argue about the cap with mike often. But this is the worst take i have ever seen. It’s a god awful use of cap space (Wilson restructure only saves 11 million) we give away a young LT, and we potentially miss out on top free agents. By trading Mailata it could cost us Marcus Williams or even a top FA WR. This is common sense man.

You keep spouting that it will cost all 3 1sts. It won’t. It will cost Hurts, Dillard, 1 2022 1st, 1 2023 1st/2nd, and a later round pick at most.

Id rather have Wilson, Williams, Mailata, top FA WR, and 2 1st rounders this year vs Wilson, 3 1st round picks, no quality FAs, and Dillard.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I always thought the idea of trading a first this year for a future first next year was easier said than done. They really need a QB on the board some team in the 20’s covet, and then will probably have to add a mid round pick or something else to sweeten the deal. Eagles traded back 20 spots from #32 while adding a 4th and got a future 2nd.

I think it also gives some perspective on why Howie didn’t/couldn’t trade a 2nd round pick to the Falcons to move from 21 to 16 for CeeDee Lamb.  The Falcons needed a CB just as badly as the Eagles needed a WR in that draft, and ATL were only going to move off AJ Terrell for a premium.  Howie rightly couldn’t overpay and make that swap.

It’s just too bad Howie went and botched the pick at #21 anyway — not to mention going off the reservation with the #53 pick he was unwilling to give up.

11 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

For a guy who lost his mind prior to last season about the team's salary cap situation, then lost his mind over mailata's dead cap hit while never considering that Wilson could restructure his contract, and then redid the math and still got it wrong, you are pretty confident about your cap skills.

I will give you credit, you are not afraid to die on Stupidity Mountain.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

On the subject on trade-downs for the Eagles in their draft slots, I went back 10 years and looked at historical trades from that range.  I’ve ignored trade-ups (I raised that possibility yesterday of trading 16 and 19 to move into the top 5).

2013 — DAL traded #18 to SF for #31 and a 3rd round pick #74.  SF took Eric Reid 

2015 — SF traded #15 to SD for #17, #117, and a 2016 5th round pick.  SD took Melvin Gordon

2018 — BAL traded #16 and 154 to BUF for #22 and #65.  BUF took Tremaine Edmunds

2018 — SEA traded #18 and 248 to GB for picks #27, 76, and 186.  GB took Jaire Alexander

 

So, for the folks banging the table for the Eagles to trade one of their 1st round picks to get a 2023 1st round pick — it doesn’t seem to work that way.  You’re looking at picking up an extra 3rd round pick for your efforts.

 I agree, but if Lovie is going with the Tampa-2, is there a chance he falls in love with Devin Lloyd to be his MLB?   
 He’s gonna need a good one. Positional value no, but in terms of BPA, Lloyd should probably be a top10 pick, Eagles 15th for their 1st in 2023.  
 Or maybe a team like Detroit that has two number 1’s in 2023?

 

2 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

RIP all Linderbaum to Eagles mocks.

Good. I still wouldn't be against Zion Johnson. Could play RG and then move to C when Kelce does hang em up. If not Zion, then I still want to use a pretty high pick on a RG.

6 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

I discuss/argue about the cap with mike often. But this is the worst take i have ever seen. It’s a god awful use of cap space (Wilson restructure only saves 11 million) we give away a young LT, and we potentially miss out on top free agents. By trading Mailata it could cost us Marcus Williams or even a top FA WR. This is common sense man.

You keep spouting that it will cost all 3 1sts. It won’t. It will cost Hurts, Dillard, 1 2022 1st, 1 2023 1st/2nd, and a later round pick at most.

Id rather have Wilson, Williams, Mailata, top FA WR, and 2 1st rounders this year vs Wilson, 3 1st round picks, no quality FAs, and Dillard.

This is a fantasy. First, your numbers on a Wilson restructure are wrong. Don't use downundermike's numbers, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Second, your proposed trade is way off. If you think Seattle will take that deal, you are delusional. If you look at proposals coming out of Washington, you would realize that. I mean, at least do some basic homework before pulling something out of thin air.

The only reason the Eagles are in the Wilson conversation is because of their three first round picks. So I don't know where you get the idea that we would be keeping them.  

 

Just now, jsb235 said:

This is a fantasy. First, your numbers on a Wilson restructure are wrong. Don't use downundermike's numbers, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Second, your proposed trade is way off. If you think Seattle will take that deal, you are delusional. If you look at proposals coming out of Washington, you would realize that. I mean, at least do some basic homework before pulling something out of thin air.

The only reason the Eagles are in the Wilson conversation is because of their three first round picks. So I don't know where you get the idea that we would be keeping them.  

 

I’m not using his numbers. I’m using numbers from OTC.

2nd - No it’s not. The proposals are not being released from Washington. Why would they do that? If they are even real they would be from Seattle trying to create leverage. They will never get 3 1sts for him. 2 1sts, a late round pick, and 2 contributing players is the going rate for this trade. See the Matthew Stafford trade. 

The Eagles are in the Wilson trade because Howie wanted him in 2012 and they have a QB and Dillard to give them. 

9 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Good. I still wouldn't be against Zion Johnson. Could play RG and then move to C when Kelce does hang em up. If not Zion, then I still want to use a pretty high pick on a RG.

I like Cade Mays as a mid-round target.  Seems like a guy Stoutland could get the best out of without a huge investment.