58 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

298 snaps for Gainwell, 219 snaps for Scott.   Scott was behind Gainwell.  

Howard's issue remains his injuries.  He's been a work horse and his body is suffering from it.  But, he was the top choice over Scott when they actually needed to hand the ball off when he was healthy.  Howard had one fewer carry than Scott, even with all his injuries.  They clearly preferred Howard running the ball to Scott.

Scott is an asset in the way that a late model used car is an asset.  You drive it when you have to, but you are always looking for an upgrade whenever the opportunity arises.  

A tender anywhere above the original-round tender is a mistake, imo.  He's a guy that should be paid at about league minimum level, nothing more.   And if he gets more elsewhere, good for him.  There are plenty of other options out there.   And this team desperately needs a bigger back.  Scott at 5'6" 200lbs just isn't that guy.

Look at when Gainwell was in the last part of the season, they tried to move Gainwell in front of Scott but it didn’t stick.  Again, four starts for Scott as Sanders replacement, not Gainwell.  I get that you are not a fan.  I think he and Gainwell are good assets.  I want them to draft a bigger RB. But don’t discard a relatively cheap asset over which they have control.  

2 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Don't see him retiring, but his days of being handed the keys to an NFL franchise are well behind him. He's at best a stop-gap QB, and mostly likely the designated clip board holder.

It's surreal to see how quickly his career took this shape, he was suppose to be a Mahomes level QB before Mahomes.

I’ll fully admit if you had told me in 2017 this is where he would be in 2022, I’d have accused you of smoking crack. 

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

Don't see him retiring, but his days of being handed the keys to an NFL franchise are well behind him. He's at best a stop-gap QB, and mostly likely the designated clip board holder.

It's surreal to see how quickly his career took this shape, he was suppose to be a Mahomes level QB before Mahomes.

Yup, if someone somehow trades for him I guess they would have some belief in him but if he's just cut I can't see any team being interested in him as a starter other than if their current starter suffered an injury.

Who knows though, there's always coaches with big egos who think they are the one guy that can turn a guy around.

Maybe Arians and the Bucs would be that team🤷‍♂️

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Boston Scott’s tender would be $2.3M? Or something like that? Makes no sense to pay a third or fourth RB that money. 

I read somewhere $2.3M but spottac and OTC are projecting $2.43M

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I really like Smith from Baylor and he’s still kind of under the radar. 

He will be a late 1st to early 2nd round pick. No thanks. RB is quite deep this year. We just need to not take DonnellDonnell Pumphrey again. I like Ford, Cook, Pierce, Smith, etc. Good value on day 3 across R4-7.  

Why not, I mean who could have ever guessed a 175 pound RB would fail in the NFL?🤔👎

7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I really like Smith from Baylor and he’s still kind of under the radar. 

He will be a late 1st to early 2nd round pick. No thanks. RB is quite deep this year. We just need to not take Donnell Pumphrey again. I like Ford, Cook, Pierce, Smith, etc. Good value on day 3 across R4-7.  

I like Rachaad White as a mid round guy. 

Curious about Zamir White too.  Lots of talent but with 2 ACL tears that obviously raises concerns. 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Yup mortensen whose usually plugged in just reported Wentz most likely won't be back with the colts, that leadership are really disappointed and angry with his melt down against the jags that kept them out of the playoffs and they'll probably release him pre June 1st when his 15 mil is due 

I imagine there won't be any teams willing to make him their starter and not sure he'd want to be a backup, wouldn't be surprised to see him get released and then retire.

Weird career for him.

It's really a shame he injured his knee as bad as he did.  It wasn't just the ACL, but the MCL and possibly one of the other ligaments, too.  His problem is himself.  He should have changed his game, changed the way he plays, after coming off that major injury.  He was never going to be the same player with the same ability.  Plus, he came back too soon, IMO, then had another set back with his back.  He has said so himself that he fancies himself as a gunslinger aka Favre.  Well, he needs to play smarter QB and stop relying on the natural athletic ability that had served him well in HS, college, and up to his injury in 2017.  Until he accepts that he's now limited in his athletic ability, needs to be a smarter pocket passer, and stops playing hero ball then he's going to have a tough time keeping a starting QB job. 

IMO, he pushed himself too hard to do too much for different reasons.  First, there was a clip of him and Foles post SB game with Foles holding up the Lombardi and Wentz says to him "That's me next year".  I truly feel that he fully believed that.  I think he thought that this team would be back with him at QB and be just as good and in the SB again.  Add on top of it putting up the Philly Special Statue that he had to look at whenever around the stadium and the 'Foles Shrine' the other players put together in the locker room and I believe he put loads of pressure on himself to repeat what Foles finished.  Second, that Doug and his post-Reich O staff ran a fairly vanilla O scheme (and with average WRs at the time) to the point that other NFL personnel made mention of its predictability, that Wentz felt he had to put the O on his back and create/force plays.  Kind of a perfect storm for failure.

I was curious to see if Sirianni could sort of recreate him and put him in better situations.  Maybe getting away from Reich (past success and familiarity might not be helpful) and getting a tough yet smart coach to break him down and sort of start over again is what he needs?  Thus far, though, he has shown resistance to change.

 

I'm not sure what the Colts are thinking here.

Look at the Eagles as a contrast.  Jalen Hurts is horrific.  They are going to great lengths to prop up Hurts as their starter, just to avoid tipping their hand and keeping their options open.

The Colts won't defend Wentz, won't commit to him...they don't have to like him or want him as their QB, but why not go through the motions until FA/trades and the draft play out?  And if you don't get the guy you want in that process, Wentz is still better than the true scrapheap options...so you might as well maintain the ability to say you wanted him all along.

 

9 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Look at when Gainwell was in the last part of the season, they tried to move Gainwell in front of Scott but it didn’t stick.  Again, four starts for Scott as Sanders replacement, not Gainwell.  I get that you are not a fan.  I think he and Gainwell are good assets.  I want them to draft a bigger RB. But don’t discard a relatively cheap asset over which they have control.  

Gainwell has a different role than Scott, but still got more snaps.   Scott isn't a 'good' asset, he's a minimum asset.  

 

I'm not discarding him.  I'm just not locking him up.   I wait until the draft and see who I land.  Then, I will consider bringing him back if I need to.   No sense putting much more than minimum salary money into the 3rd RB.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I read somewhere $2.3M but spottac and OTC are projecting $2.43M

I posted the number for 2021.  It will be higher for 2022, but even if its the 2021 number, that's too much for Scott.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Gainwell has a different role than Scott, but still got more snaps.   Scott isn't a 'good' asset, he's a minimum asset.  

 

I'm not discarding him.  I'm just not locking him up.   I wait until the draft and see who I land.  Then, I will consider bringing him back if I need to.   No sense putting much more than minimum salary money into the 3rd RB.

I posted the number for 2021.  It will be higher for 2022, but even if its the 2021 number, that's too much for Scott.

 

 

Why is that too much for Scott?  Eagles paid Sproles between $3.5M per year to $4.5M per year for much of the time he was here.

11 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

It's really a shame he injured his knee as bad as he did.  It wasn't just the ACL, but the MCL and possibly one of the other ligaments, too.  His problem is himself.  He should have changed his game, changed the way he plays, after coming off that major injury.  He was never going to be the same player with the same ability.  Plus, he came back too soon, IMO, then had another set back with his back.  He has said so himself that he fancies himself as a gunslinger aka Favre.  Well, he needs to play smarter QB and stop relying on the natural athletic ability that had served him well in HS, college, and up to his injury in 2017.  Until he accepts that he's now limited in his athletic ability, needs to be a smarter pocket passer, and stops playing hero ball then he's going to have a tough time keeping a starting QB job. 

IMO, he pushed himself too hard to do too much for different reasons.  First, there was a clip of him and Foles post SB game with Foles holding up the Lombardi and Wentz says to him "That's me next year".  I truly feel that he fully believed that.  I think he thought that this team would be back with him at QB and be just as good and in the SB again.  Add on top of it putting up the Philly Special Statue that he had to look at whenever around the stadium and the 'Foles Shrine' the other players put together in the locker room and I believe he put loads of pressure on himself to repeat what Foles finished.  Second, that Doug and his post-Reich O staff ran a fairly vanilla O scheme (and with average WRs at the time) to the point that other NFL personnel made mention of its predictability, that Wentz felt he had to put the O on his back and create/force plays.  Kind of a perfect storm for failure.

I was curious to see if Sirianni could sort of recreate him and put him in better situations.  Maybe getting away from Reich (past success and familiarity might not be helpful) and getting a tough yet smart coach to break him down and sort of start over again is what he needs?  Thus far, though, he has shown resistance to change.

 

I kind of wonder if Frank reich is on the hot seat and potentially fired next year if he misses the playoffs again. Irsay expects them to be at least a playoff team and feels they are a team that has a roster where they should contend for a Super Bowl. I don’t know how they’re going to get a quarterback that’s good enough to have those lofty expectation.

Free agency has Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyler Huntley, Mitchell Trubisky and tyrod Taylor. Those guys might be cheaper but you’re still having the same issues and question marks. All have their flaws and warts. So it’s just cost cutting with a different evil. I’d say Winston but he’s coming off a major injury so who knows and Huntley only has a handful of games so it could go either way. 

they aren’t gonna be able to trade for Wilson, rodgers, Watson or even Kyler Murray (if available). Not having a first round pick this year is super brutal if that’s what you’re planning on doing. You would probably have to trade other picks from this draft and then picks from the next two draft just to be competitive in that market and you still probably don’t have them requisite assets that other teams going after them have currently.

which then leaves them drafting a quarterback which wouldn’t be until the second round because they don’t have a first round pick. Unless they trade more capital (future capital) to get into the first round to get the guy which this is supposedly not a very good draft class for quarterbacks. So that seems like even if they do that, the quarterback is highly likely not gonna be ready in his first year to be a playoff caliber team. 

so why i can see reich being in trouble due to his QB situation and if the colts miss the playoffs 

8 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

It's really a shame he injured his knee as bad as he did.  It wasn't just the ACL, but the MCL and possibly one of the other ligaments, too.  His problem is himself.  He should have changed his game, changed the way he plays, after coming off that major injury.  He was never going to be the same player with the same ability.  Plus, he came back too soon, IMO, then had another set back with his back.  He has said so himself that he fancies himself as a gunslinger aka Favre.  Well, he needs to play smarter QB and stop relying on the natural athletic ability that had served him well in HS, college, and up to his injury in 2017.  Until he accepts that he's now limited in his athletic ability, needs to be a smarter pocket passer, and stops playing hero ball then he's going to have a tough time keeping a starting QB job. 

IMO, he pushed himself too hard to do too much for different reasons.  First, there was a clip of him and Foles post SB game with Foles holding up the Lombardi and Wentz says to him "That's me next year".  I truly feel that he fully believed that.  I think he thought that this team would be back with him at QB and be just as good and in the SB again.  Add on top of it putting up the Philly Special Statue that he had to look at whenever around the stadium and the 'Foles Shrine' the other players put together in the locker room and I believe he put loads of pressure on himself to repeat what Foles finished.  Second, that Doug and his post-Reich O staff ran a fairly vanilla O scheme (and with average WRs at the time) to the point that other NFL personnel made mention of its predictability, that Wentz felt he had to put the O on his back and create/force plays.  Kind of a perfect storm for failure.

I was curious to see if Sirianni could sort of recreate him and put him in better situations.  Maybe getting away from Reich (past success and familiarity might not be helpful) and getting a tough yet smart coach to break him down and sort of start over again is what he needs?  Thus far, though, he has shown resistance to change.

 

Yup.

Wentz seems stubborn in that he doesn't think he needs to change anything, when whatever he's doing obviously isn't working.

His last year with the eagles he was abysmal and this last year with the colts he was pretty average all year and the wheels fell off when it mattered most 

He's his own worst enemy.

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It matters because you keep acting as if this is some sort of smear campaign against Scott.  It's not personal, there's no hate and no one is kicking him.  This is all in response to Roob's suggestion that the team needs to lock him up before free agency starts.  That's all it is.  No hate.  No kicking.  This is the business side of the NFL.  

A lot of RFA are "locked up” before free agency to deals that pay less than the one year RFA tender but get more years.  Would you oppose such a move.  In other words other than the vet  minimum, is there an extension that would be acceptable to you or do you just want to move on?  Same question as to Ward, Singleton, Herbig - the other RFAs.  The options are - no offer, tender or extension (and with extension, go with single year, multiple year but less, multiple year, equal to or more than the tender.) Would you offer the minimum to Chachere, who is a ERFA?

I’ll go.

Chachere - absolutely, low cost ST player.

Scott - preference is multi year extension lower than tender but lowest round tender is acceptable.

Ward - one year extension for less.  Risk letting him go with no tender.

Singleton - same as Ward.

Herbig - same as Scott.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm not sure what the Colts are thinking here.

Look at the Eagles as a contrast.  Jalen Hurts is horrific.  They are going to great lengths to prop up Hurts as their starter, just to avoid tipping their hand and keeping their options open.

The Colts won't defend Wentz, won't commit to him...they don't have to like him or want him as their QB, but why not go through the motions until FA/trades and the draft play out?  And if you don't get the guy you want in that process, Wentz is still better than the true scrapheap options...so you might as well maintain the ability to say you wanted him all along.

 

Meh, they'll find someone to stop gap and have higher pick in next years draft. 

Being a liar like Howie isn't always the best option 

Let’s go Bengals! Burrow’s mom is an elementary school principle about 20 miles away. All the posts, the pictures, the banners. It’s been pretty crazy around here. I want to see this area go crazy, especially my dad!

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Why is that too much for Scott?  Eagles paid Sproles between $3.5M per year to $4.5M per year for much of the time he was here.

If Scott could return punts maybe I'd be ok with it, but he doesn't.

I like Scott as a  change of pace back, he's not elite at anything but he's good at a lot and I think he's a valuable asset to a team.

Having said that 2.3 for a 3rd RB who doesn't return kicks seems a bit steep especially when seems Siri and Co want to give more snaps to Gainwell.

Then again if one is going to run the ball and be a running team then paying that much for a 3rd RB shouldn't be that big a deal.

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm not sure what the Colts are thinking here.

Look at the Eagles as a contrast.  Jalen Hurts is horrific.  They are going to great lengths to prop up Hurts as their starter, just to avoid tipping their hand and keeping their options open.

The Colts won't defend Wentz, won't commit to him...they don't have to like him or want him as their QB, but why not go through the motions until FA/trades and the draft play out?  And if you don't get the guy you want in that process, Wentz is still better than the true scrapheap options...so you might as well maintain the ability to say you wanted him all along.

 

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I wonder where Mort got his scoop…

Damn!  The dude in red is Mike Mills from REM?  I haven't seen an image of him in ages.  Stipe really went weird with his look last I saw.  Wonder how Buck and Berry turned out. 

C'mon, you alt rockers, stop making me feel old, damn it!

 

Will always respect Carson but he was done with football after his back injury. 

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm not sure what the Colts are thinking here.

Look at the Eagles as a contrast.  Jalen Hurts is horrific.  They are going to great lengths to prop up Hurts as their starter, just to avoid tipping their hand and keeping their options open.

The Colts won't defend Wentz, won't commit to him...they don't have to like him or want him as their QB, but why not go through the motions until FA/trades and the draft play out?  And if you don't get the guy you want in that process, Wentz is still better than the true scrapheap options...so you might as well maintain the ability to say you wanted him all along.

 

I think it has to di with the 15 mil he's guaranteed if on the team in March.

If not for that they'd probably be playing the he's our guy game.

14 minutes ago, greend said:

Meh, they'll find someone to stop gap and have higher pick in next years draft. 

Being a liar like Howie isn't always the best option 

I think the thing that comes to mind is does Frank reich survive another year if they miss the playoffs. Irsay believes that team is a playoff caliber team and even roster built to contend for the afc crown. I’m not so sure he does if the colts stay status quo or regress.

frankly I wouldn’t fire reich. I think he’s a good coach. The Colts had issues all over the place this year. Carson wentz being awful at the end of the year. For weeks they were down two or three offensive lineman. Matt pryor was starting for them for multiple weeks as their starting LT, LG, C, RT all missed multiple weeks this year. Fisher played 15 games, Nelson played 13 (next to no preseason and training camp), Kelly played 14 and smith played 11. I’d have to look but I don’t think their entire starting unit played more than one or two games together. Their defense was also bad in big spots.  Even in that Jaguars game they allowed Trevor Lawrence to start the game 14 for 14.

They had a ton of things go wrong it’s why I think it’s be foolish if they did fire reich next year if they miss the playoffs again but i can totally see irsay doing it cause he’s irsay 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I kind of wonder if Frank reich is on the hot seat and potentially fired next year if he misses the playoffs again. Irsay expects them to be at least a playoff team and feels they are a team that has a roster where they should contend for a Super Bowl. I don’t know how they’re going to get a quarterback that’s good enough to have those lofty expectation.

Free agency has Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyler Huntley, Mitchell Trubisky and tyrod Taylor. Those guys might be cheaper but you’re still having the same issues and question marks. All have their flaws and warts. So it’s just cost cutting with a different evil. I’d say Winston but he’s coming off a major injury so who knows and Huntley only has a handful of games so it could go either way. 

they aren’t gonna be able to trade for Wilson, rodgers, Watson or even Kyler Murray (if available). Not having a first round pick this year is super brutal if that’s what you’re planning on doing. You would probably have to trade other picks from this draft and then picks from the next two draft just to be competitive in that market and you still probably don’t have them requisite assets that other teams going after them have currently.

which then leaves them drafting a quarterback which wouldn’t be until the second round because they don’t have a first round pick. Unless they trade more capital (future capital) to get into the first round to get the guy which this is supposedly not a very good draft class for quarterbacks. So that seems like even if they do that, the quarterback is highly likely not gonna be ready in his first year to be a playoff caliber team. 

so why i can see reich being in trouble due to his QB situation and if the colts miss the playoffs 

Makes you wonder how much say Reich had in bringing Wentz to the Colts.  Did he say to Isray that he could get Wentz back on track and win with him?  You may be right that Wentz has put Reich on the hot seat.  They should have made the playoffs, but imploded against 'weaker' teams.

 

 

 

Awful contract Wentz was giving , just awful 

Just now, Green_Guinness said:

Makes you wonder how much say Reich had in bringing Wentz to the Colts.  Did he say to Isray that he could get Wentz back on track and win with him?  You may be right that Wentz has put Reich on the hot seat.  They should have made the playoffs, but imploded against 'weaker' teams.

 

I don’t think it was just weak teams. There were games where wentz imploded. There were games were their defense also was bad in big spots like the ravens game and the bucs game second half their defense made no stops (along with wentz’s issues that game in the second half). And their offensive line was a mess from the preseason to the end of the year. They had so many issues from Wentz end of the year collapse to inconsistent defense to oline injuries.  It’s why i give him another year if next year is harsh cause they are about to be in QB purgatory with lack of draft pick, lack of quality QB in free agency and a weak QB class.