Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

We may have the option to claw back some of the bonus money. 

Brought it up yesterday. I doubt it. Even if we did, I don't see it being much. The dead cap isn't bonus money, it's from Howie restructuring all his past base salaries. 

18 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

"Hope is not a strategy."...Howie Roseman

 

Unless it is about JJAW or Reagor ever becoming NFL players... then they hope like crazy.  

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

We may have the option to claw back some of the bonus money. 

If he wants to pay it back, he does no have to.  People were saying if Wentz wants to go to the Colts, he needs to lower the cap hit and pay back some bonus money.  How did that work out ??

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Chris T. Jones would have been a great receiver but for a knee injury.  He had those 859 yards all in one season.  I think Jordan Matthews was OK.  If JJAW had approached Jordan Matthews in terms of production no one would be calling him a bust.  

Chris T. was on the way to being great.  What a bummer that was.

Imagine believing Howie/Siranni will lay out their actual off season plans in a press conference. 

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

 

 

The Eagles fingers

 

 

 

 

But the thing with Wentz was that the Eagles wanted to keep him but Wentz wanted out. 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Imagine believing Howie/Siranni will lay out their actual off season plans in a press conference. 

They endorsed Wentz in the end of season PC last year.  Hurts should be worried, very worried.

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Chris T. Jones would have been a great receiver but for a knee injury.  He had those 859 yards all in one season.  I think Jordan Matthews was OK.  If JJAW had approached Jordan Matthews in terms of production no one would be calling him a bust.  

I liked Jordan as well. The problem is that he's a big slot guy and needed better talent on the outside to free him up which we did not have.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Unless it is about JJAW or Reagor ever becoming NFL players... then they hope like crazy.  

you can add "That Hurts will ever become a NFL Starting Caliber QB- able to actually make reads and throw the ball like a real Pro"

29 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Fangio is 63  and I think has only been coaching in the NFL since the mid-eighties.  I don't think he started coaching in the NFL at age 13.  

I am not talking about disguising blitzes as much as coverages.  They gave up a completion percentage of more than 80% to 5 different QBs.  Schwartz may have had a simple scheme but his man coverage and attacking d-line forced incompletions.  Gannon did not always have the DT's attacking.  He had DTs playing a read and 2 gap technique.  He also had zone coverages that were easy for QBs to read and know where the hole in the zone was going to be. This lead to easy completions.  It was more effective when he disguised coverages.  

My concern with the blitzing is that he blitzed as an afterthought and at a historically low level.  I don't think there was one 0 coverage blitz this season.   While that may not have made any difference, it shows an unwillingness to do anything other than play it safe.  

I’m sorry he got into the NFL in 1986. So 35 years of nfl experience. He started coaching in 1979 so 43 years he’s been in coaching. That’s really point you want to try to go with? Cause i used hyperbole? 

Now you’re just changing what you said to me originally. I put out the argument against what you originally said. 

Again you want them to scrap what they did all off-season to implement a scheme on the fly just assume that what you are saying is positively going to work. I do not think that’s the case. It might work here and there but  things will eventually adjust because your talent sucks and so they’ll eventually beat you doing it that way . So unless you’re gonna tell him to just completely scrap his entire philosophy to go with an entirely new philosophy implement mid season which is super difficult to do. 

Do I think they should have blitzes more? Yes.  However I’m guessing it’s probably because he doesn’t trust Nelson and the safeties to hold up if he did it more. Again going back to the fact he doesn’t trust his personnel. You continue to ignore the fact that might be a major reason why he didn’t see him do it. And he doesn’t have the talent to be successful in either scheme 

I don’t have a problem with you but you seem to blame nearly everything on the coaches everytime we discuss stuff and let players off the hook way too easily. honestly watch the other playoff teams this weekend on defense in the NFC. Tell me the Eagles remotely have close to the talent for those schemes they want to do. They can do your scheme all day long. All season long they can do your scheme. It’s still not gonna be that good because their talent sucks. I would be more in your corner if the Eagles had a bunch of defensive talent and Gannon was coming up small and not trying to be more creative with that talent. Gannon definitely has his issues. I’m not sugarcoating that he has crap he has to work on. The biggest issue with their defense this year was lack of talent To run any scheme at a Super Bowl or playoff caliber level

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Respect to Howie and Sirianni for being smart. 

 

 

 

 

Again, what good does surrounding him with good players do when he can't see them because he's too busy running around?  Doesn't make a difference who's at WR if Hurts can't get them the ball.

Said it before, I'll say it again.  DeVonta Smith was 45th in receptions this year....45th.  Bring in more WR who won't get the ball.  Smart.

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

you can add "That Hurts will ever become a NFL Starting Caliber QB- able to actually make reads and throw the ball like a real Pro"

But, he has the drive to be "elite, elite, elite".    How much better is repeating it like that versus just saying he wants to be 'elite'.  

How much can they upgrade the offense and add talent to help make Hurts successful? They really just need a WR #2 (I think Quez is a better #3) and another TE. Is a WR #2 and #2 TE going to unlock the passing game for Hurts? I think its very unlikely we will see the needle move much.

12 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Ojabo is my target at EDGE. They can then go CB or Linderbaum, and trade down the 3rd pick.

Sure, Ojabo seems to have the upside befitting a top-15 pick.

Just now, bpac55 said:

Again, what good does surrounding him with good players do when he can't see them because he's too busy running around?  Doesn't make a difference who's at WR if Hurts can't get them the ball.

Said it before, I'll say it again.  DeVonta Smith was 45th in receptions this year....45th.  Bring in more WR who won't get the ball.  Smart.

 

Hurts is a developing young QB that will either continue to advance as a passer in year 3 or he won't.  Being in the same offense for the first time in consecutive years for the first time in years will be big. Putting better players around him as well will also help. 

I'm excited to see Hurts further development in year 3.  That's typically a year that players will make a big leap. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Again, what good does surrounding him with good players do when he can't see them because he's too busy running around?  Doesn't make a difference who's at WR if Hurts can't get them the ball.

Said it before, I'll say it again.  DeVonta Smith was 45th in receptions this year....45th.  Bring in more WR who won't get the ball.  Smart.

You can see the night and day difference in QB play by comparing Smith and Chase.

Devonta - 64 catches for 916 yards and 5 TD's.

Chase - 81 catches for 1455 yards and 13 TD's

Chase had 24 more targets, do you think with Hurts that 24 more targets would have amounted to 17 catches for 539 yards and 10 TD's ??  That is the difference between them, and it is caused by bad QB play.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Hurts is a developing young QB that will either continue to advance as a passer in year 3 or he won't.  Being in the same offense for the first time in consecutive years for the first time in years will be big. Putting better players around him as well will also help. 

I'm excited to see Hurts further development in year 3.  That's typically a year that players will make a big leap. 

I admire your faith in Hurts but I don't see it.  He showed nothing this year as far as improving as a passer.  If anything he regressed.  His best games were against crap teams and good teams exposed him.  That's nothing to get excited about or that tells me he's a guy to think is going to grow in year 3.  

What if you invest in more WR and commit to Hurts for 2022 for the whole year and he doesn't show any growth.  That's going to hurt the growth of the WR and the team moving forward. 

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Hurts is a developing young QB that will either continue to advance as a passer in year 3 or he won't.  Being in the same offense for the first time in consecutive years for the first time in years will be big. Putting better players around him as well will also help. 

I'm excited to see Hurts further development in year 3.  That's typically a year that players will make a big leap. 

I'm glad we are building around a qb with no arm strength, no accuracy, no height, no decision-making ability, no ability to read a defense, and no ability to go through progressions.  I think this is an excellent starting place to identify someone to coach up and hope he progresses.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm glad we are building around a qb with no arm strength, no accuracy, no height, no decision-making ability, no ability to read a defense, and no ability to go through progressions.  I think this is an excellent starting place to identify someone to coach up and hope he progresses.

Dude, you forgot the positives.  SWAG, intangibles, bleacher dodging

I doubt they're actually committed to Hurts, it goes against everything Howie stands for when it comes to QBs. He's just not going to reveal his plans. There's no benefit.

To preserve trade value with Hurts if nothing else. If a team calls he can go "We really like Hurts, we don't wanna trade him, so you better offer something legit" and leverage in trades for other QBs.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Just got back to my office.  I didn't even know that weasel was speaking today.  I'll spare myself the pain of listening to him talk.  

Just know that it would upset you and skip watching about it or reading the content.

17 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Respect to Howie and Sirianni for being smart. 

 

 

 

 

I hope they mean surrounding him with good players in defense cuz he could have Jerry rice randy moss and marshall faulk and if he can't get them the ball it doesn't matter 

He had Watkins wide open for a TD on a deep post a clean pocket he bailed on and rolled out to dump a pass off to the RB opposite side of the field.

What's the point of surrounding him with better players if he won't or can't throw them the ball???

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I doubt they're actually committed to Hurts, it goes against everything Howie stands for when it comes to QBs. He's just not going to reveal his plans. There's no benefit.

To preserve trade value with Hurts if nothing else. If a team calls he can go "We really like Hurts, we don't wanna trade him, so you better offer something legit" and leverage in trades for other QBs.

While I doubt they are committed to Hurts because I doubt anyone could possibly commit to Hurts...and we all expected them to say that they had to...he really went out of his way to pile on the commitment, almost to the point that it damages his credibility with players if they do move on.  I mean...he really, really piled it on. 

He is our guy.  He knows he is our guy.  He is our quarterback.  He knows where he stands with us.  We need to do whatever we can to help him develop.

That's enough that it doesn't make your commitment and honesty with players look great when you go back on it.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

While I doubt they are committed to Hurts because I doubt anyone could possibly commit to Hurts...and we all expected them to say that they had to...he really went out of his way to pile on the commitment, almost to the point that it damages his credibility with players if they do move on.  I mean...he really, really piled it on. 

He is our guy.  He knows he is our guy.  He is our quarterback.  He knows where he stands with us.  We need to do whatever we can to help him develop.

That's enough that it doesn't make your commitment and honesty with players look great when you go back on it.

We don't want the Steelers think they can get him for free.  Gotta pump up that trade value.

In the thought process that while the Eagles coaching staff doesn't necessarily need/want a Lamar/Jalen type at QB, they do still put value in mobility. McNabb, Vick, Carson, Jalen...they clearly want someone who has the ABILITY to run, not necessarily a propensity. I think Desmond Ridder should be their guy. Good size, good arm, an athlete but he prefers to do most damage from the pocket. Grab him in R2 and his buddy Pierce in R3. He has great upside without the injury history and "statue-ness" of Strong.