Jimmy G is going for a 3rd and scraps right? Most likely option for the Colts.

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

Jimmy G is going for a 3rd and scraps right? Most likely option for the Colts.

I’d be surprised if Jimmy g only goes for a 3rd. Tend to think he gets dealt for a 2nd and future conditional pick based off either his or team performance. I also think you have multiple suitors in that with carr now being off the market. 

I'm not sure what's worse, the state of Carson's career or the Colts trading a 1st for Wentz and potentially only keeping him one season.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think it was just weak teams. There were games where wentz imploded. There were games were their defense also was bad in big spots like the ravens game and the bucs game second half their defense made no stops (along with wentz’s issues that game in the second half). And their offensive line was a mess from the preseason to the end of the year. They had so many issues from Wentz end of the year collapse to inconsistent defense to oline injuries.  It’s why i give him another year if next year is harsh cause they are about to be in QB purgatory with lack of draft pick, lack of quality QB in free agency and a weak QB class. 

 

I agree, but our opinions and that of Mr. Hard Party Guy Isray could be miles apart.

You point out multiple reasons for their failure over the entire season where Isray could just be thinking of the last 2 games (and possibly the Titans game at home vs your #1 division rival) and put the blame on Wentz and in turn to Reich. 

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d be surprised if Jimmy g only goes for a 3rd. Tend to think he gets dealt for a 2nd and future conditional pick based off either his or team performance. I also think you have multiple suitors in that with carr now being off the market. 

I was going off this:

I was a little surprised too.

2 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

I was going off this:

I was a little surprised too.

I’d need to know who the player was on the Steelers they were giving up to see the drop to 3rd.  I’m guessing it’s likely a starting player. Likely guessing the Steelers rather not give up that type of player. I still think he winds up being dealt for a 2nd and like a conditional mid round pick in 2023. 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

A lot of RFA are "locked up” before free agency to deals that pay less than the one year RFA tender but get more years.  Would you oppose such a move.  In other words other than the vet  minimum, is there an extension that would be acceptable to you or do you just want to move on?  Same question as to Ward, Singleton, Herbig - the other RFAs.  The options are - no offer, tender or extension (and with extension, go with single year, multiple year but less, multiple year, equal to or more than the tender.) Would you offer the minimum to Chachere, who is a ERFA?

I’ll go.

Chachere - absolutely, low cost ST player.

Scott - preference is multi year extension lower than tender but lowest round tender is acceptable.

Ward - one year extension for less.  Risk letting him go with no tender.

Singleton - same as Ward.

Herbig - same as Scott.

Hard pass on extending any of them before FA, exception being Herbig. 

The biggest issue for me isn't the contract, but the commitment.  They cannot lock themselves into guys like this where if they find better options via the draft, that they take on dead money if they need to cut them.  Most of these guys are players that I'd wait until after the draft to resign.  

Chachere gets a one year tender at the minimum as an ERFA.  Absolutely, offer that.  But I wouldn't offer him more than the 1 year deal.  Let him earn it this coming year, then look to extend him.

Scott... let him test the market.  If he signs elsewhere, so be it.  I'm looking to add RB in the draft as it is anyway.  Lots of targets for me there.  If they don't get one, then come back to the FA market and look to sign a player for the minimum, be it Scott or someone else.  There will be RBs available.

Ward... I'm hoping to get a legit veteran WR in free agency.  So, I don't see Ward as a player that needs to be brought back at all.  Also, I want a WR in the draft... hopefully one with return ability.  

Singleton... no need to do anything with him prior to the draft.  If he goes elsewhere, good for him.  No big loss.  They should be targeting LB in the draft anyway.

Herbig they need to resign as he's the starting RG or the top backup...depending on Driscoll's health.  And the one thing we've seen with Driscoll is his health remains a question... same with Dickerson (based on college).  Can't afford to lose Herbig yet.

 

As for other names... no one else really stands out as a guy that they should be looking to return.  Howard, maybe after the draft at minimum, depending on who else is out there.

Hassan Ridgeway, for the right price, Only Cox, Hargrave and Williams under contract at DT.  They will need at least 4 next year... likely one will be drafted, maybe 2, or a high priority UDFA.  But, Ridgeway would definitely be a guy to bring back if they are going to move Cox.

This kid has a little too much Cam Newton in him for my liking

 

 

4 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Dont think "hate" is a good term to use cause I think that is incorrect. 

He is very bias towards certain teams. To me someone in his role can not allow that to happen. 

I was ambivalent toward Collinsworth until SB LII. He sounded ready to crown the Pats without even playing the game. Calling him biased is being kind. 'Course that made winning all the sweeter

19 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

I was going off this:

I was a little surprised too.

Asking price and actual price are rarely the same.  Lucky to get a third with his injury history and interception rate.  Started every game of a season once.  Had more than 20 TD seasons twice and both those seasons was also in double digit interceptions.

35 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

I agree, but our opinions and that of Mr. Hard Party Guy Isray could be miles apart.

You point out multiple reasons for their failure over the entire season where Isray could just be thinking of the last 2 games (and possibly the Titans game at home vs your #1 division rival) and put the blame on Wentz and in turn to Reich. 

 

Oh i guarantee irsay looks at the last two games and how bad wentz was as the main reason for missing. Which is partially correct. However they had issues early in the season that goes back to other parts that team. Pass Defense (was also bad against the jags in that game) and big spots like i already mentioned (dvoa for pass defense was 17th and run defense was 3rd), injuries long offensive line all year but really early and it took them weeks to get Taylor going due to oline issues early (had only 42 carries first three weeks they went 0-3. Only averaged 4 yards a carry and 57 rushing yards due to oline injuries upfront like Nelson out and Davenport starting at LT and i believe pryor was at RG/RT). 

i think the colts have multiple issues. Qb always sits on the top but their pass defense needs help and they also need to have their oline stay healthy. Like the eagles, they have a really good oline when they are healthy. Nelson, Kelly and smith really were on and off the field all season. 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Yup.

Wentz seems stubborn in that he doesn't think he needs to change anything, when whatever he's doing obviously isn't working.

His last year with the eagles he was abysmal and this last year with the colts he was pretty average all year and the wheels fell off when it mattered most 

He's his own worst enemy.

Which stats are you going by?

23 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

This kid has a little too much Cam Newton in him for my liking

 

 

Nah,Cams get up looks like a homeless pimp in drag.

Burrow looks like a shiney Jamie foxx in Django 

 

 

Jalen Hurts played like an average QB this year. Not having to make a panic trade is a luxury.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Which stats are you going by?

I wasn't using average as a compliment, I'm assuming youre disagreement is with my use of average in describing Wentz?

If that's the case I'm fine with, below average mediocre, abysmal, or plain trash.

Take your pick.

49 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

I'm not sure what's worse, the state of Carson's career or the Colts trading a 1st for Wentz and potentially only keeping him one season.

I would say the colts. If they released Carson Wentz, somebody who misses out on one of the quarterbacks they wanted in free agency (not great pool) or via trade market will take a chance on him on probably a reasonable contract. so the state of his career is he likely gets another shot somewhere to keep playing and likely start at some point again. Carson Palmer was not that good with the Raiders for two consecutive years and leaks Carson Palmer rather play elsewhere then work with the raiders on a better deal. And then he found his way to Arizona as Arians took a chance on him due to his potential upside if they got him back on track 

to me the Colts not having that first round pick and releasing wentz is worse. Irsay believes that is a playoff/Super Bowl contending team if they have a quarterback when they made the move for wentz. They don’t have the draft assets currently to make that type of deal for Wilson, rodgers, watson. Could go Jimmy G but i don’t think they are the only ones in that market so might be outbid and durability concerns to make it through a season. They can’t take a quarterback in the first round (unless they trade more assets) in a class that’s not considered a good quarterback class. Free agency is not all that great in terms of upside projects as Winston coming off an acl is probably the best upside gamble. 

22 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I really want to hike the Lofoten in Norway.  It’s atop my travel to-do list.  I want to do one of those Norway cruises too.

My folks did a March/April cruise around Denmark/Scandinavia a few years back and absolutely loved it.  They didn't want the full on cold but then changed their minds and went to the Antarctica a year or so later.  Said both were worth the effort of being stuck on a boat

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I wasn't using average as a compliment, I'm assuming youre disagreement is with my use of average in describing Wentz?

If that's the case I'm fine with, below average mediocre, abysmal, or plain trash.

Take your pick.

Some of you guys really have an ex girlfriend reaction to Wentz and it's sad lol

18 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Asking price and actual price are rarely the same.  Lucky to get a third with his injury history and interception rate.  Started every game of a season once.  Had more than 20 TD seasons twice and both those seasons was also in double digit interceptions.

Yup I can't imagine anyone giving up a 2nd for jimmy G.

I ask ask my wife for stuff all the time yet here I am on this board talking to a bunch of dudes about football...🤷‍♂️

21 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hard pass on extending any of them before FA, exception being Herbig. 

The biggest issue for me isn't the contract, but the commitment.  They cannot lock themselves into guys like this where if they find better options via the draft, that they take on dead money if they need to cut them.  Most of these guys are players that I'd wait until after the draft to resign.  

Chachere gets a one year tender at the minimum as an ERFA.  Absolutely, offer that.  But I wouldn't offer him more than the 1 year deal.  Let him earn it this coming year, then look to extend him.

Scott... let him test the market.  If he signs elsewhere, so be it.  I'm looking to add RB in the draft as it is anyway.  Lots of targets for me there.  If they don't get one, then come back to the FA market and look to sign a player for the minimum, be it Scott or someone else.  There will be RBs available.

Ward... I'm hoping to get a legit veteran WR in free agency.  So, I don't see Ward as a player that needs to be brought back at all.  Also, I want a WR in the draft... hopefully one with return ability.  

Singleton... no need to do anything with him prior to the draft.  If he goes elsewhere, good for him.  No big loss.  They should be targeting LB in the draft anyway.

Herbig they need to resign as he's the starting RG or the top backup...depending on Driscoll's health.  And the one thing we've seen with Driscoll is his health remains a question... same with Dickerson (based on college).  Can't afford to lose Herbig yet.

 

As for other names... no one else really stands out as a guy that they should be looking to return.  Howard, maybe after the draft at minimum, depending on who else is out there.

Hassan Ridgeway, for the right price, Only Cox, Hargrave and Williams under contract at DT.  They will need at least 4 next year... likely one will be drafted, maybe 2, or a high priority UDFA.  But, Ridgeway would definitely be a guy to bring back if they are going to move Cox.

Likely have the best leverage for offers before the draft.  Agree on avoiding dead money on Ward and Singleton.   Scott we differ on. Because you never know what you get in the draft and Sanders is unreliable.  We both agree on a draft choice at that position.  Absolutely need LBs in the draft.  Also agree on a WR in free agency.  Would like one in the draft to but that isn’t a guarantee so that’s why you make Ward and offer.  That and I am done with JJAW and feel Reagor looks like a bust.  I would like to upgrade Herbig but with Brooks retiring….. If they get an opportunity to and draft Green, Herbig decreases in value, especially if Kelce returns and Seumalo heals well.  Plus, Toth and Awosika lessen his value.  But like Scott and Ward, he offers some depth insurance. And I rank Scott way above Ward in that area. 

Ridgeway?  No thanks. Rather role the dice with Wilson.  The fact that he stuck all year and signed a future contract suggests the knees may bear up   Plus we do have Marvin T., although I like the prospect of Wilson more.  I also like the idea of spending a draft,choice on DT If the BPA.

Thing is that draft choices being targeted at a specific position is very risky.  Better to let the board develop.  

31 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I was ambivalent toward Collinsworth until SB LII. He sounded ready to crown the Pats without even playing the game. Calling him biased is being kind. 'Course that made winning all the sweeter

Collingsworth will be the Bengals love fest guy. Won’t be able to help himself there. 

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

 

Awful contract Wentz was giving , just awful 

It’s not that awful for an average QB. It looked like a steal at the time. 

Just now, WentzFan11 said:

It’s not that awful for an average QB. It looked like a steal at the time. 

Yep

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Some of you guys really have an ex girlfriend reaction to Wentz and it's sad lol

Umm ok, not sure what's going on here.

Would you agree or disagree that Wentz was average to below average this past year 

I was comparing his season this year with the colts to his last with the eagles as average compared to abysmal with the eagles 

I'm quite certain that's not a hot take or controversial statement and fail to see how me saying so has anything to do with how one feels about an x girlfriend 🤔

19 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

My folks did a March/April cruise around Denmark/Scandinavia a few years back and absolutely loved it.  They didn't want the full on cold but then changed their minds and went to the Antarctica a year or so later.  Said both were worth the effort of being stuck on a boat

You would know better than I, but I figure you’ve got 3 options for seeing that part of the world…you could go north light hunting and do full on winter, go summer for the best weather and scenery while forgoing the lights, or do the shoulder season for a compromise of both.