a No look pass in a tight window.....  on the had to have it drive.

Always thought STafford was a good QB. 

 

BTW when Hurts does this, it's by accident.. LOL

 

 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The only problem with people keep saying bengals should deal for dillard is, joneh Williams their left tackle was actually good this year. He had a 78 grade by pff and isn’t the issue. Their issue is everyone else on that line. The fact still remains that dillard is strictly a LT who hasn’t shown he can play RT at a high level. So you’d either have to move Williams to RT who might be a better LT than dillard. If the bengals want to move Williams to RT then smarter move for the bengals is likely signing Armstead of the saints who’s a free agent and keep their picks to fix the interior oline.  

Was going to say the same thing. They spent a 1st on their LT Jonah Williams, 11th overall. They are not going to trade for Dillard who has shown he can only play LT. Honestly, I would rather keep Dillard sine an injury on the OL could completely derail a season and they don't have much depth at tackle.

Trading Dillard is only going to save you $2million in cap space. You could pick up an extra 4th, but now you need to use a draft pick on a tackle who is probably not as good as Dillard.

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean Burrow got sacked like 4 times in the second half.  Mixon also helped them in the running game. 

If you watch the 4th and 1 from the end zone angle, whoever is covering chase (looked like Ramsey) falls down and chase is wide open if burrow’s oline gives him anytime to take a shot down field. Unfortunately most of the second half, the bengals gave burrow little time. Amazing though was the 2nd and 1 play they actually blocked better then they had but burrow threw it away cause no one was open. I still will argue I’d have taken the timeout after Boyd went down in bounds to preserve time. He was tackled at 1:15 the clock after incompletion stopped at 48 seconds. Imo use the timeout to get reorganized and get a better second down play and have a play lined up for 3rd down if it failed. Where the bengals were they really only needed 13-15 yards to get into field goal range for McPherson to have a chance.  

4 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Was going to say the same thing. They spent a 1st on their LT Jonah Williams, 11th overall. They are not going to trade for Dillard who has shown he can only play LT. Honestly, I would rather keep Dillard sine an injury on the OL could completely derail a season and they don't have much depth at tackle.

Trading Dillard is only going to save you $2million in cap space. You could pick up an extra 4th, but now you need to use a draft pick on a tackle who is probably not going to be as good as Dillard.

I’ve thought since midseason that the eagles would draft a developmental tackle in rounds 3-5 that stoutland really likes that can be a backup swing tackle now and eventually groomed into a starter and use dillard to get a draft pick. I wouldn’t be surprised if the eagles trade dillard for a 2023 pick that has conditions where it could move up based on playing time/performance. 

This is a good point. Focus on getting good players at impact positions, then fill in at the margins. Both the Eagles/Rams have now won SBs in the past 4 years with this approach. 

37 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Mailata for Burrow

Cap neutral

25 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The only problem with people keep saying bengals should deal for dillard is, joneh Williams their left tackle was actually good this year. He had a 78 grade by pff and isn’t the issue. Their issue is everyone else on that line. The fact still remains that dillard is strictly a LT who hasn’t shown he can play RT at a high level. So you’d either have to move Williams to RT who might be a better LT than dillard. If the bengals want to move Williams to RT then smarter move for the bengals is likely signing Armstead of the saints who’s a free agent and keep their picks to fix the interior oline.  

The goal is to get rid of Dillard for some return... how it affects the other team is inconsequential.  We don't care about that part.  . 

 

 

Seriously though, you are correct.  Dillard's limitations on being a LT only makes him harder to find a landing spot.  Of course... maybe the Rams will be interested, as I can imagine Whitworth will be retiring now.  And the Rams love to trade away draft picks.   They'd still have some available in the range of proper value for Dillard. 

24 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean Burrow got sacked like 4 times in the second half.  Mixon also helped them in the running game. 

6 of the 7 sacks were in the second  half.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Dillard for Burrow and Logan Wilson.  

Nah, Logan is a penalty machine 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve thought since midseason that the eagles would draft a developmental tackle in rounds 3-5 that stoutland really likes that can be a backup swing tackle now and eventually groomed into a starter and use dillard to get a draft pick. I wouldn’t be surprised if the eagles trade dillard for a 2023 pick that has conditions where it could move up based on playing time/performance. 

Dillard only being able to play LT and having one year left on his deal really diminishes his value. I just don't think you are going to get much value in return for him. Eagles still need to invest in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. They are severely lacking in depth across the lines. 

For all the talk about the refs impact on the game and screwing the  Bengals, the Bengals did nothing to help themselves in the second half.

1st possession was the long TD on a clear facemask by Higgins.

2nd possession FG on the short field after an interception.

After that

3 plays -3 yards

3 plays 5 yards

5 plays -2 yards

7 plays 24 yards

5 plays 26 yards

So the 5 possessions after taking a 20-13 lead, 23 plays for 50 yards.

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The goal is to get rid of Dillard for some return... how it affects the other team is inconsequential.  We don't care about that part.  . 

 

 

Seriously though, you are correct.  Dillard's limitations on being a LT only makes him harder to find a landing spot.  Of course... maybe the Rams will be interested, as I can imagine Whitworth will be retiring now.  And the Rams love to trade away draft picks.   They'd still have some available in the range of proper value for Dillard. 

Rams are a team i think would look. Plus allows it to be a 2023 pick with conditions placed upon it as they don’t have much draft capital this year.

I’d also add Seahawks. Duane brown is 37 and a free agent. They could use a LT that’s young and has potential upside. I also thinking a team to watch for is the jags. Cam robinson is a FA and hasn’t been very good. Have Doug down there so it could come down to whether doug actually liked dillard. 

 

42 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Mailata for Burrow

Nope, he's already being traded to Seattle 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

For all the talk about the refs impact on the game and screwing the  Bengals, the Bengals did nothing to help themselves in the second half.

1st possession was the long TD on a clear facemask by Higgins.

2nd possession FG on the short field after an interception.

After that

3 plays -3 yards

3 plays 5 yards

5 plays -2 yards

7 plays 24 yards

5 plays 26 yards

So the 5 possessions after taking a 20-13 lead, 23 plays for 50 yards.

 

I don't think the Bengals got screwed.  I think the fans got screwed by the complete 180 in the way the game was officiated.  Nothing like having the game hinge on yellow laundry being tossed around on 3 consecutive plays at the goal line, especially in a game where there had been 4 penalties total (IIRC) up to that point.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Rams are a team i think would look. Plus allows it to be a 2023 pick with conditions placed upon it as they don’t have much draft capital this year.

I’d also add Seahawks. Duane brown is 37 and a free agent. They could use a LT that’s young and has potential upside. I also thinking a team to watch for is the jags. Cam robinson is a FA and hasn’t been very good. Have Doug down there so it could come down to whether doug actually liked dillard. 

We are already trading Mailata to the Seahawks.   We can't trade both Dillard and Mailata to them.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

We are already trading Mailata to the Seahawks.   We can't trade both Dillard and Mailata to them.

Clearly it's Dillard and Hurts for Burrow or Dillard and Hurts for Wilson or Dillard and Hurts for Lawrence (Doug loves them) or Dillard and Hurts for basically anything we want.

That is apparently the intelligent view to have here. The key to the Super Bowl is just finding which team will give us the best return for Dillard and Hurts, since every team apparently wants them.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Rams are a team i think would look. Plus allows it to be a 2023 pick with conditions placed upon it as they don’t have much draft capital this year.

I’d also add Seahawks. Duane brown is 37 and a free agent. They could use a LT that’s young and has potential upside. I also thinking a team to watch for is the jags. Cam robinson is a FA and hasn’t been very good. Have Doug down there so it could come down to whether doug actually liked dillard. 

 

Problem is Rams recognize good players which take them out of equation for Dillard. 

7 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Clearly it's Dillard and Hurts for Burrow or Dillard and Hurts for Wilson or Dillard and Hurts for Lawrence (Doug loves them) or Dillard and Hurts for basically anything we want.

That is apparently the intelligent view to have here. The key to the Super Bowl is just finding which team will give us the best return for Dillard and Hurts, since every team apparently wants them.

Actually, no one would want Hurts, the NFL is a passing league and he is not a passer.

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Couple of hot takes/troll moves I had

Mcvay is a better coach than Doug

Mcvay will win one before doug does again

Stafford is good and will win one. 

 

These aren't hot takes, this is just general lines of thinking everyone else had.

17 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Dillard only being able to play LT and having one year left on his deal really diminishes his value. I just don't think you are going to get much value in return for him. Eagles still need to invest in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. They are severely lacking in depth across the lines. 

Oh I agree his value is diminished due to the fact he only has one year left on that contract and he really hasn’t played a ton since being a first round pick. No one is picking up that 5th year option at this time.

But I look at it this way, if I can get a 2023 4th round pick that has the conditions that he starts 10 games that it becomes a third round pick, i’m doing it. I’m gonna have to use a pick in  2023 (or even before) when Dillard is no longer here to replace him so that we have a swing tackle. We are only getting one year out of dillard so potential LT starter only if lane or mailata gets hurt or draft pick which could long term at that or another position?  So if they trade him to get that pick that helps and also would likely be replacing him with a rookie on four year contract with a guy stoutland likes as a developmental prospect. I would be surprised if dillard is back on the last year of his deal considering the long term value of a (potential higher) pick and acquiring/drafting a rookie (who stoutland likes) on a four year contract is better value to me. I rather draft a long term swing tackle in the middle rounds that stout likes and get the pick for dillard 

10 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Clearly it's Dillard and Hurts for Burrow or Dillard and Hurts for Wilson or Dillard and Hurts for Lawrence (Doug loves them) or Dillard and Hurts for basically anything we want.

That is apparently the intelligent view to have here. The key to the Super Bowl is just finding which team will give us the best return for Dillard and Hurts, since every team apparently wants them.

Your sarcasm meter is broken, eh? 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh I agree his value is diminished due to the fact he only has one year left on that contract and he really hasn’t played a ton since being a first round pick. No one is picking up that 5th year option at this time.

But I look at it this way, if I can get a 2023 4th round pick that has the conditions that he starts 10 games that it becomes a third round pick, i’m doing it. I’m gonna have to use a pick in  2023 (or even before) when Dillard is no longer here to replace him so that we have a swing tackle. We are only getting one year out of dillard so potential LT starter only if lane or mailata gets hurt or draft pick which could long term at that or another position?  So if they trade him to get that pick that helps and also would likely be replacing him with a rookie on four year contract with a guy stoutland likes as a developmental prospect. I would be surprised if dillard is back on the last year of his deal considering the long term value of a (potential third round) pick and acquiring/drafting a rookie (who stoutland likes) on a four year contract is better value to me. I rather draft a long term swing tackle in the middle rounds that stout likes and get the pick for dillard 

If someone will give a 3rd straight up for him, I would probably do it. If not, they just keep Dillard another year, draft a developmental tackle in 22, let Dillard walk and collect the comp pick which would probably be at least a 4th.

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Clearly it's Dillard and Hurts for Burrow or Dillard and Hurts for Wilson or Dillard and Hurts for Lawrence (Doug loves them) or Dillard and Hurts for basically anything we want.

That is apparently the intelligent view to have here. The key to the Super Bowl is just finding which team will give us the best return for Dillard and Hurts, since every team apparently wants them.

The sarcasm is not lost here, but people do have a notion for some reason that packaging up players will bring a better return; that's really not the case.  

Dillard is a tradeable asset.  LT is a premium position, and he's shown he can be a good NFL LT.  The Eagles already have a potentially dominant LT in Mailata, which makes Dillard expendable.  The real question is whether Dillard has more value in a trade before the draft, or after the draft to a team that missed on a LT and needs to fill a void in exchange for  2023 draft capital.

Hurts should be traded now IMO, while the Eagles still can.  He would carry a 3rd round value if a team views him as a possible starter.  I don't think there's any NFL team who views him as a sure starter (hopefully not the Eagles, anyway).  If you keep Hurts for the 2022 season you're not only punting on the season and hoping to go 9-8 again and maybe make the playoffs, but any trade value Hurts has will be greatly diminished after this season.  This is especially true with QBs because the 2nd contract represents a sizeable raise in pay.  I don't see any team offering anything of value when they know they'll only get one year before having to decide whether to pay $20M+ to a QB with a limited ceiling.

Sanders is another player I would trade right now.  He has market value I'm sure, but he's also a cautionary tale against drafting RB too early.  A 2nd round pick spent on a player who is way too often injured when you need him most.

I didn't think Stafford had a good game. Kupp and Donald won it for Rams IMO

Just now, wussbasket said:

If someone will give a 3rd straight up for him, I would probably do it. If not, they just keep Dillard another year, draft a developmental tackle in 22, let Dillard walk and collect the comp pick which would probably be at least a 4th.

I actually think his value is likely a conditional 4th where playing time/starts likely could see it bump up to a 3rd (assuming it’s a 2023 pick). I’d probably do that cause there’s no guarantee they get a comp pick depending on what they do in FA in 2023 or if he gets signed that the formula brings back a 4th. Could be a 5-6 round comp pick.