1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The only problem with people keep saying bengals should deal for dillard is, joneh Williams their left tackle was actually good this year. He had a 78 grade by pff and isn’t the issue. Their issue is everyone else on that line. The fact still remains that dillard is strictly a LT who hasn’t shown he can play RT at a high level. So you’d either have to move Williams to RT who might be a better LT than dillard. If the bengals want to move Williams to RT then smarter move for the bengals is likely signing Armstead of the saints who’s a free agent and keep their picks to fix the interior oline.  

Yup.

And to be fair Aaron Donald makes every interior line look bad.

Either way the Bengals need to put resources into O line to keep burrow up right.

Having said that every time the Bengals would line up In a 5 wide set or a 4 wide the rams would just bring one more than the Bengals had to block and expect burrow to just get the ball out before the free man got there in which case ones qb is going to take a ton of hits which burrow did 

26 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Deadline is May 2nd so can't happen.

Thanks.

I think Bengals win if the refs didn't suddenly become flag happy at the end there

43 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Defense wins championships.

As much as people are all over the QBs in the post season, the Bengals do not make it there if their defensive strategy did not change in the second half of the Chiefs game and limit one of the best offenses and arguably the best QB in the league to 3 points. The Rams do not win the Super Bowl if they did not change their strategy right at the end of the first half, which allowed them to go gangbusters on the offensive line.

No one is saying defense doesn’t help win championships.

let point out the Rams and the Bengals combined had one starter on defense that was drafted by either the rams or Bengals that was a first round pick. it was Aaron Donald. Every Other defensive starter in that game was either a 2nd to 7th round pick drafted by rams/bengals or they were acquisitions in free agency or trade. So 1 starter out of 22 was drafted by rams/bengals in the first round in building those defenses. Point being it is not a requirement or need 3 first round picks to build a Cincinnati defense. Need the right coach, smart acquisition, smart spending and hitting throughout the draft on defensive players  

The Rams defense played good. However the Rams defense when they played the patriots in Super Bowl 53 also played great. But Goff was not good and they lost 13-3. Last night if you put Jared Goff out there and not have Matthew Stafford, do you think the Rams win even with their defense doing what they did? I will emphatically say no. those are the type of games that the Rams would lose when their defense would play well and goff played like crap. It’s why they paid the price they did for Stafford  

also let me point out, the Cincinnati Bengals do not change the culture of that franchise without getting Joe Burrow. They were a 2 win team a couple years ago. I don’t care how good their defense is (and they didn’t have a bunch of high draft picks spent on that defense— 0 drafted 1st rounders) if Joe Burrow does not go to Cincinnati that team is not even sniffing getting to a Super Bowl.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No one is saying defense doesn’t help win championships.

let point out the Rams and the Bengals combined had one starter on defense that was drafted by either the rams or Bengals that was a first round pick. it was Aaron Donald. Every Other defensive starter in that game was either a 2nd to 7th round pick drafted by rams/bengals or they were acquisitions in free agency or trade. So 1 starter out of 22 was drafted by rams/bengals in the first round in building those defenses.   

Everyone knows that defensive players can only be drafted in the top of Round 1.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No one is saying defense doesn’t help win championships.

let point out the Rams and the Bengals combined had one starter on defense that was drafted by either the rams or Bengals that was a first round pick. it was Aaron Donald. Every Other defensive starter in that game was either a 2nd to 7th round pick drafted by rams/bengals or they were acquisitions in free agency or trade. So 1 starter out of 22 was drafted by rams/bengals in the first round in building those defenses.   

The Rams defense played good. However the Rams defense when they played the patriots in Super Bowl 53 also played great. But Goff was not good and they lost 13-3. Last night if you put Jared Goff out there and not have Matthew Stafford, do you think the Rams win even with their defense doing what they did? I will emphatically say no. those are the type of games that the Rams would lose when their defense would play well and goff played like crap.

also let me point out, the Cincinnati Bengals do not change the culture of that franchise without getting Joe Burrow. They were a 2 win team a couple years ago. I don’t care how good their defense is (and they didn’t have a bunch of high draft picks on that defense— 1st rounder) if Joe Burrow does not go to Cincinnati that team is not even sniffing getting to a Super Bowl.

Yup no matter how good defenses are the league is still qb driven

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Everyone knows that defensive players can only be drafted in the top of Round 1.

I have no problem spending first round picks on defense. If the player is there then grab him. I’m all for it we could use the talent.   

But this theory that is no way possible for the Eagles to fix their defense without using those 3 first round picks on defense is not necessarily true. The Bengals have zero first round picks that they have drafted on the defense and the rams currently have 1 (who I’m not saying doesn’t help a lot). If you have the right coach, you’re smart with your acquisitions and scouting, and you identify/draft well throughout you can build it.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No one is saying defense doesn’t help win championships.

let point out the Rams and the Bengals combined had one starter on defense that was drafted by either the rams or Bengals that was a first round pick. it was Aaron Donald. Every Other defensive starter in that game was either a 2nd to 7th round pick drafted by rams/bengals or they were acquisitions in free agency or trade. So 1 starter out of 22 was drafted by rams/bengals in the first round in building those defenses.   

The Rams defense played good. However the Rams defense when they played the patriots in Super Bowl 53 also played great. But Goff was not good and they lost 13-3. Last night if you put Jared Goff out there and not have Matthew Stafford, do you think the Rams win even with their defense doing what they did? I will emphatically say no. those are the type of games that the Rams would lose when their defense would play well and goff played like crap.

also let me point out, the Cincinnati Bengals do not change the culture of that franchise without getting Joe Burrow. They were a 2 win team a couple years ago. I don’t care how good their defense is (and they didn’t have a bunch of high draft picks on that defense— 1st rounder) if Joe Burrow does not go to Cincinnati that team is not even sniffing getting to a Super Bowl.

Um ok?

Defense does win championships. Period. 

The Rams defense played well in the Super Bowl against the Pats. The Patriots played better. End of story. 

The rest of this is hyperbole. We have no idea if Goff would have won a Super Bowl or not - he was not playing the Super Bowl this year. It is just like people that say that Wentz would have/would not have won the Super Bowl if he did not get hurt. It is all guesswork because it did not happen.

Why does it matter how many 1st round starters that were specifically drafted by each team playing on defense? I am really confused about why that matters at all.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I have no problem spending first round picks on defense. If the player is there then grab him. I’m all for it we could use the bell  

But this theory that is no way possible for the Eagles to fix their defense without using those 3 first round picks is ridiculous. The Bengals have zero first round picks that they have drafted on the defense and the rams currently have 1 (who I’m not saying doesn’t help a lot). If you have the right coach, you’re smart with your acquisitions and scouting, and you identify/draft well throughout you can build it.

Doesnt that apply to every single position in football?

Also if they didn't have Eli Apple then there's also a good chance they win lol

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I didn't think Stafford had a good game. Kupp and Donald won it for Rams IMO

I think the gameplan and playcalling lost this game for the Bengals more than anything.  The 4th down on the 1st drive of the game. The lack of forcing and finding a way to get the ball in the Chase's hands.  The sequence in the 4th quarter when they stopped the Rams only to go with 3 passes (1 sack) and punting and then the final series.  

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

Probably my favorite mock draft yet.

Love Pierce in the 3rd and Robinson in the 4th. 

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Everyone knows that defensive players can only be drafted in the top of Round 1.

You know I think it's encouraging to see that stat that only one starter in both defenses combined was a 1st round pick by their respective teams(Aaron Donald)

Though I'm not sure Howie is the guy to build the defense.

He did a good job in 2017 getting real lucky with some FA signings McLeod, P Robinson, Long, trade for Darby  and contributions from non first round draft picks. Kendricks, mills, beau Allen, curry, Douglas, trade for jernigan, seems all those moves worked that year.

Im not sure Howie can find some defensive starters outside of the first round, FA, trades, later rounds ect, I think 2017 was the exception not the rule for Howie.

1 minute ago, pallidrone said:

Probably my favorite mock draft yet.

Love Pierce in the 3rd and Robinson in the 4th. 

I love them both. I think Pierce across from Smith with Quez moving around would be a nice trio.

1 minute ago, pallidrone said:

Um ok?

Defense does win championships. Period. 

The Rams defense played well in the Super Bowl against the Pats. The Patriots played better. End of story. 

The rest of this is hyperbole. We have no idea if Goff would have won a Super Bowl or not - he was not playing the Super Bowl this year. It is just like people that say that Wentz would have/would not have won the Super Bowl if he did not get hurt. It is all guesswork because it did not happen.

Why does it matter how many 1st round starters that were specifically drafted by each team playing on defense? I am really confused about why that matters at all.

No one says defense doesnt. You keep making this like the defense was the only reason they won that game. I guess Stafford’s 3 td passes just didn’t matter in this? 

Jared Goff had a great defense in 2018 and they lost by scoring 3 points because he was bad in the Super Bowl.  And there were plays o be made in the patriots game that he just couldn’t make. It is a major reason why they wanted to move on from him and paid the price they did for Matt Stafford. 

Because  you don’t need three first round picks just a build a good defense. This theory on this blog that those 3 first round picks must be used towards defense otherwise the defense won’t get fixed is a fallacy.

10 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Um ok?

Defense does win championships. Period. 

The Rams defense played well in the Super Bowl against the Pats. The Patriots played better. End of story. 

The rest of this is hyperbole. We have no idea if Goff would have won a Super Bowl or not - he was not playing the Super Bowl this year. It is just like people that say that Wentz would have/would not have won the Super Bowl if he did not get hurt. It is all guesswork because it did not happen.

Why does it matter how many 1st round starters that were specifically drafted by each team playing on defense? I am really confused about why that matters at all.

I think it matters because the eagles have 3 1st round picks this year and a pretty bad defense and the two teams in the super bowl showed you don't have to use a bunch of 1st round picks on defense to be successful.

That one can build a super bowl defense through other avenues like later rounds picks, FA and trades 

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I love them both. I think Pierce across from Smith with Quez moving around would be a nice trio.

I agree totally. I think that Pierce could end up as one of the better WR to come out of this draft.

15 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

a No look pass in a tight window.....  on the had to have it drive.

Always thought STafford was a good QB. 

 

BTW when Hurts does this, it's by accident.. LOL

 

 

Hurts doesn't look at the middle of the field either when he makes his passes. 

17 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Doesnt that apply to every single position in football?

It does. And if the exact reason why I come on here every week and say you don’t need every one of our 3 first round picks to build your defense or offense. This is why I keep saying  you can build a defense and go out and get your quarterback if you him.  It is not a one or the other situation. you can still build a defense when you go get your quarterback or another position on offense. 

Having a QB must be nice

 

 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Hurts doesn't look at the middle of the field either when he makes his passes. 

Stafford's always had all the talent in the world, that throw is a throw that maybe two or 3 other guys could make, 

Mahomes, Rodgers and...?

 

 

Just now, pallidrone said:

I agree totally. I think that Pierce could end up as one of the better WR to come out of this draft.

He has a good mix of size, separation, and route running. He can play X or big slot, letting him and Quez move around in 3 WR sets pretty easily. Sign a DJ Chark in FA and have a WR room of:

DeVonta Smith

DJ Chark

Quez Watkins

Alec Pierce

Velus Jones

Jalen Reagor

 

I'm pretty happy with that.

 

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I think it matters because the eagles have 3 1st round picks this year and a pretty bad defense and the two teams in the super bowl showed you don't have to use a bunch of 1st round picks on defense to be successful.

That one can build a super bowl defense through other avenues like later rounds kicks, FA and trades 

Yeah, but:

Aaron Donald -- 1st round pick #14 overall

Jalen Ramsey -- two 1st round picks, and originally a 1st round pick #5 overall

Von Miller -- 2nd and 3rd round pick, originally a 1st round pick #2 overall

Leonard Floyd -- FA signing, originally a 1st round pick #9 overall

 

The relevant players on the Rams defense are/were acquired with 1st round picks.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Having a QB must be nice

 

 

Yeah, but how does he do dodging fans that are falling?

Also have you ever seen him spin in the pocket and dance? Where's the swag?