4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I think it matters because the eagles have 3 1st round picks this year and a pretty bad defense and the two teams in the super bowl showed you don't have to use a bunch of 1st round picks on defense to be successful.

That one can build a super bowl defense through other avenues like later rounds picks, FA and trades 

Exactly. My problem has always been this notion it’s one of the other with those 3 first round picks : is either fix the Defense or we just go get the quarterback/spend some on offense and the defense goes unfixed. That’s a bunch of crap. You can do both, which both of these teams illustrated how they built their defenses using multiple combinations of draft, free agency and trades not just drafting in the first round  . You can go out and get a a offensive player or QB if you truly covet them and love them then you can use your other assets that you have to build up the defense via the draft, free agency and trade. 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Yeah, but:

Aaron Donald -- 1st round pick #14 overall

Jalen Ramsey -- two 1st round picks, and originally a 1st round pick #5 overall

Von Miller -- 2nd and 3rd round pick, originally a 1st round pick #2 overall

Leonard Floyd -- FA signing, originally a 1st round pick #9 overall

 

The relevant players on the Rams defense are/were acquired with 1st round picks.

Yes but the rams didn't give up first round picks for von and Floyd.

Forgot that Ramsey was a trade and an expensive one, the rams definitely put more top resources into building their D than did the Bengals who seemed they had a bunch of no names.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Stafford's always had all the talent in the world, that throw is a throw that maybe two or 3 other guys could make, 

Mahomes, Rodgers and...?

 

 

I’m guessing josh Allen could. I actually think he had a no look pass against the dolphins this year. 

I agree with Sherman 

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No one says defense doesnt. You keep making this like the defense was the only reason they won that game. I guess Stafford’s 3 td passes just didn’t matter in this? 

Jared Goff had a great defense in 2018 and they lost by scoring 3 points because he was bad in the Super Bowl.  And there were plays o be made in the patriots game that he just couldn’t make. It is a major reason why they wanted to move on from him and paid the price they did for Matt Stafford. 

Because  you don’t need three first round picks just a build a good defense. This theory on this blog that those 3 first round picks must be used towards defense otherwise the defense won’t get fixed is a fallacy.

The defense was a huge part of why they won that game. Once the Bengals figured out what the Rams were doing, they shut Stafford down until the 4th quarter where it took a great play by Kupp on 4th and 1 for them to win the game.

You don't need 3 first-round picks on defense, it does help especially on a bad defense like the Eagles.

I don't know why you are cherry-picking the data on the defensive players for the Bengals and Rams.

Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald, Von Miller, Leonard Floyd, were all first-round picks and instrumental in the win. 

The Bengals have 3 former first round players in their secondary. (Eli Apple, Vernon Hargraves and Trea Waynes)

Just because they were not drafted by those teams, does not mean that they are not still first-round talent coming out of college.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m guessing josh Allen could. I actually think he had a no look pass against the dolphins this year. 

That's who I was thinking but I haven't seen him much so wasn't sure.

Would be nice to have a guy on the eagles with that kind of arm talent.

Not sure there are any qbs in this draft with that kind of arm talent, Carson Strong might be the closest.

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Yeah, but:

Aaron Donald -- 1st round pick #14 overall

Jalen Ramsey -- two 1st round picks, and originally a 1st round pick #5 overall

Von Miller -- 2nd and 3rd round pick, originally a 1st round pick #2 overall

Leonard Floyd -- FA signing, originally a 1st round pick #9 overall

 

The relevant players on the Rams defense are/were acquired with 1st round picks.

Again they didn’t draft any of those players besides Donald. So this prevailing theory that we must draft with those 3 first round picks to build the defense is a fallacy. You can do many things with those first round picks to acquire talent and build. You can say that used their first round picks as assets to get resources to build that defense. 

1 hour ago, greendestiny27 said:

Nah, Logan is a penalty machine 

Good competition for Barnett if he stays. 

 

13 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

He has a good mix of size, separation, and route running. He can play X or big slot, letting him and Quez move around in 3 WR sets pretty easily. Sign a DJ Chark in FA and have a WR room of:

DeVonta Smith

DJ Chark

Quez Watkins

Alec Pierce

Velus Jones

Jalen Reagor

 

I'm pretty happy with that.

 

That would be a great group (minus Reagor, but they are pretty much stuck with him)

 

45 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

The defense was a huge part of why they won that game. Once the Bengals figured out what the Rams were doing, they shut Stafford down until the 4th quarter where it took a great play by Kupp on 4th and 1 for them to win the game.

You don't need 3 first-round picks on defense, it does help especially on a bad defense like the Eagles.

I don't know why you are cherry-picking the data on the defensive players for the Bengals and Rams.

Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald, Von Miller, Leonard Floyd, were all first-round picks and instrumental in the win. 

The Bengals have 3 former first round players in their secondary. (Eli Apple, Vernon Hargraves and Trea Waynes)

Just because they were not drafted by those teams, does not mean that they are not still first-round talent coming out of college.

Yes which comes down to the fact they signed Floyd in free agency. They traded 2-3 round picks for Miller. And they use their first round picks as assets to get proven talent like Ramsey to help that defense. They didn’t draft high round draft picks to build it outside of donald.  They use midround picks, their draft capital as assets and free agency to largely build their defense around donald  

Again those two teams did not build the majority of their defense through drafting In the first round. They use those draft picks to trade to get proven commodities and free agency to sign someone like Floyd. Then added in rounds 2-7. 

I am not saying don’t have first round talent but they didn’t draft them outside of Donald. They acquired them via good scouting in free agency, smart trades and midround picks. They went to free agency or trading of picks to acquire those first round talent. They didn’t say you know what, we can only draft first round players to fix our defense as that was the only way they could acquire talent like that. 

also point Waynes played 5 games all year (played all 4 postseason games strictly on special teams— not one snap at corner) and hargreaves played in 4 ( played one postseason game played 3 snaps on defense) Not exactly key cogs for the Bengals in their run. I’d also argue Eli Apple was a key component and also is a liability and he was a former first round pick that they acquired in free agency.

6 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

That would be a great group (minus Reagor, but they are pretty much stuck with him)

Without JJAW whose the " enforcer"🤔

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

I think the commonality between the Brady and Stafford years is that  the rosters were ready to contend and had a QB holding them back.  The Eagles roster isn't ready to contend; I think they're a couple of years away (with really good drafting and FA spending).  

I think Wilson still has 4 good years left.  Depending on price I'd consider making that move.  Maximum I'd give is a 2022 1st, a player (Hurts or Dillard), and a 2023 2nd round pick.  Any higher than that and you have to allow yourself to be outbid.

Rodgers is only 1-2 years from retirement.  He's a selfish flake and poor teammate.  Wouldn't pay anything for him.

Watson is younger, a top 6-8 QB in the league but comes with attitude and baggage.  Wouldn't offer any more than the above price for Wilson.

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

When looking at the Rams and Bucs both those teams had good defenses and good weapons on offense before they traded  for those vet Qbs 

The eagles don't have much on offense and while they have a good O line which would be attractive to a vet QB the eagles don't have the weapons on  offense that say the bucs and rams had prior to getting the vet QB..

2 hours ago, wussbasket said:

Dillard only being able to play LT and having one year left on his deal really diminishes his value. I just don't think you are going to get much value in return for him. Eagles still need to invest in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. They are severely lacking in depth across the lines. 

Dillard may not be as good as Mailata but that puts him in with the 27 other LTs in the league who aren't, and he's better than most of those. As for whether he is limited to LT, we don''t know that. It has been reported by several people that he's been trained at RT as well. But, forgetting that, what is a guy who can play LT at a high level in the league worth? No less than a conditional 3rd that converts to 2nd with certain performance targets. Certainly no less than that.

9 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Dillard may not be as good as Mailata but that puts him in with the 27 other LTs in the league who aren't, and he's better than most of those. As for whether he is limited to LT, we don''t know that. It has been reported by several people that he's been trained at RT as well. But, forgetting that, what is a guy who can play LT at a high level in the league worth? No less than a conditional 3rd that converts to 2nd with certain performance targets. Certainly no less than that.

I hope they can get a conditional third. I’m more of the thought a 4th with conditions where it could reach a 2nd. I think he also comes with some questions with durability. He missed an entire year cause he got hurt (fluke type of injury). But then even this past year there were games where he was inactive because he got banged up playing special teams after starting 4 games. He really has never started a full 16 or 17 game season in his career to know if durability isn’t or is a major concern. 

Carolina offered a ton to move up...so I took it. Plus...got a punter!

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Every time I see Russel Wilson speak publicly, I cringe.  He just comes off so damn phony.  

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Carolina offered a ton to move up...so I took it. Plus...got a punter!

Wrong punter. F -

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Rams are a team i think would look. Plus allows it to be a 2023 pick with conditions placed upon it as they don’t have much draft capital this year.

I’d also add Seahawks. Duane brown is 37 and a free agent. They could use a LT that’s young and has potential upside. I also thinking a team to watch for is the jags. Cam robinson is a FA and hasn’t been very good. Have Doug down there so it could come down to whether doug actually liked dillard. 

 

I'd be fine trading Dillard for a 2023 pick, probably a 2nd Rounder.  We only have 6 picks in 2023 so adding to that coffer would be a good investment.

 

38 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

That would be a great group (minus Reagor, but they are pretty much stuck with him)

Yes, they are stuck. But Jones would take over as primary return guy and Reagor would be your 5th-6th WR until his release.

31 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Without JJAW whose the " enforcer"🤔

Pierce.

 

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Wrong punter. F -

Yeah dude -- I ain't learning about punters. I got limits. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Somebody will still write him a fat check when he's ready to return -- maybe before.  At least he earned a Super Bowl ring and contributed.