Jalen Hurts lives absolutely rent free in a few people's head on this board. Kind of pathetic how obsessed they are.        

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Nope, but these guys do...............

 

Now we’re getting serious, I have to pull out the big guns. Nobody has more swag than these two:

11 minutes ago, Thrive said:

He objectively improved year over year. That’s not in question.

He transformed himself from a one read QB this season into one that goes through his progressions consistently, which to me signaled that nobody (and I mean NOBODY) has any clue how good this young man can be.  
 

People question his arm strength, which makes me laugh. 

You'll be laughing for a while.

Not saying Hurts can or can't be the guy in 2022 but why can't Howie just copy what Ballard said about the Colts.  He doesn't have to commit to anyone. 

Hurts can work all offseason on improving as a thrower, come into TC, battle it out with Minshew or whoever and may the best man win.  What's the big deal?

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Neither team was throwing the ball down the field.  The wind was strong all game. 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I don't think that's true even if isn't the answer.  Great WRs like DeVonta will be great due to their own skill and work ethic regardless of the QB. Poor QB play didn't hurt the development of guys like Fitzgerald, Hopkins, Andre Johnson, ect. 

 

They've invested a 2nd round pick and now a season as starter into Hurts.  He helped get the team to the playoffs.  His teammates respond to him and respect him.  Unlike Wentz, every indication is that Hurts is very coach able and receptive to hard coaching.  That has a positive impact on the rest of the team. 

 

If the Eagles path this offseason is to improve the rest of the team and go with Hurts in 2022 then I think that would be the wisest course to take.  If he doesnt continue to make significant leaps at QB then they don't take on any penalty if they want to move on from him and go in a different direction in 2023, but they will at least have a better team and a team that is a more desirable landing spot for a veteran QB heading into that 2023 offseason if Hurts flatlines and does not take a leap next year. 

I understand what you're saying.  Great players are going to be great.  Would you be happy though if in Smith's 2nd season he still averages 4 catches per game?  Smith has control over how great he is but he has no control over Hurts getting him the ball or not.  That's the issue.  No, it won't hurt his growth but I don't want another season with our top 10 pick having less catches than 1/3 of the tight ends in the NFL and a handful of RB.

Smith could and SHOULD be a 90 catch guy with over 1400 yards.  He should be able to catch passes over 30 yards with the ability to take them to the house.  The only time Hurts gets him the ball now is on an out pattern or a comeback.  Oh, and he has to block way more than he should. 

They invested a 2nd round pick and 3 years in JJAW.  He had what...2 catches this year?  They traded up and invested more than a 1st round pick in Andre Dillard and he's a reserve tackle.  The investment in Hurts has been made but the return isn't worth it IMO.  Yes, he's likeable and the guys like him but that's not all it takes.

 

Nice to see we are back to Jalen "The Little Engine That Could" Hurts.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

You'll be laughing for a while.

There was a physicist who came in here one day and hasn't been back.  He would have explained it all to you.

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Now we’re getting serious, I have to pull out the big guns. Nobody has more swag than these two:

 

For the win..........

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I understand what you're saying.  Great players are going to be great.  Would you be happy though if in Smith's 2nd season he still averages 4 catches per game?  Smith has control over how great he is but he has no control over Hurts getting him the ball or not.  That's the issue.  No, it won't hurt his growth but I don't want another season with our top 10 pick having less catches than 1/3 of the tight ends in the NFL and a handful of RB.

Smith could and SHOULD be a 90 catch guy with over 1400 yards.  He should be able to catch passes over 30 yards with the ability to take them to the house.  The only time Hurts gets him the ball now is on an out pattern or a comeback.  Oh, and he has to block way more than he should. 

They invested a 2nd round pick and 3 years in JJAW.  He had what...2 catches this year?  They traded up and invested more than a 1st round pick in Andre Dillard and he's a reserve tackle.  The investment in Hurts has been made but the return isn't worth it IMO.  Yes, he's likeable and the guys like him but that's not all it takes.

 

You could see Smith starting to get frustrated by the end of the year. Why would you want to exacerbate that over another season? Makes no sense. 

11 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

These guys ooze swag

 

I loved those guys when I was younger, eh, ya hoser

15 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

These guys ooze swag

 

This was a time when SCTV was at it's peak, prior to NBC acquiring the show. The latter was a shell of it's former self.

 

Candy, Levy, Thomas, Moranis, Flahrety, Martin and Ohara - the best

 Very disappointing news today. Looks like we are stuck with Hurts another season. I’ll tell ya this Howie still may take a QB early in the draft. 

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It's only speculation and we could play the guessing game of their true intents all offseason, ultimately actions speak louder than words, but that PC sounded to me like a GM and HC who back Hurts as their quarterback in 2022. That is concerning to me.

As good as Howie can be with resource management (yes, he gave out a few bad contracts and his 1st round picks suck, but he has a better understanding than a lot of the "football guys" who get GM jobs), I really think he lacks the understanding of the NFL game. He isn't able to see the difference between a team who is winning because of their quarterback and a team who wins in spite of him. He doesn't know the ins and outs of the QB position. I don't trust his evaluation of Hurts at all. Hopefully, he's able to listen to the coaches and pro personnel staff with that.

I do wonder how aggressive Howie will be this offseason and going forward. After walking on egg shells, he took a very cautious approach to his draft last year. Securing an extra 1 by trading back. Drafting the most productive WR in NCAAF history was a high floor move. Look, I loved both moves, but they're moves from a GM who doesn't want to miss big. It's not necessarily a bad idea to have, especially with where we're at, but at some point a GM really benefits from having an aggressive mindset. I'm curious to see if he regains that at some point if the opportunity is there.

2 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

 Very disappointing news today. Looks like we are stuck with Hurts another season. I’ll tell ya this Howie still may take a QB early in the draft. 

dont believe everything you hear from them in a presser about players/coaches statuses.  Howie may still belieleve he can get something for hHurts, and he doesn't want to drive the price up for other QB's. It's always best to keep the rest of the league guessing what you will do. 

 

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

This was a time when SCTV was at it's peak, prior to NBC acquiring the show. The latter was a shell of it's former self.

 

Candy, Levy, Thomas, Moranis, Flahrety, Martin and Ohara - the best

My favorite show ever.  Johnny LaRue, Edith Prickley, Sammy Maudlin, Lola Heatherton, Bobby Bittman, man what a great show.

lol

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

can anyone explain to me why Hurts gets all the positive hype? Like what is this based on, regarding his play? 

What do these people "see" that we dont? What abilities to play the position does he have that warrant this type of press? 

 

15 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Neither team was throwing the ball down the field.  The wind was strong all game. 

That's rubbish, hurts hit Watkins later on almost the exact same play, when it didn't matter 

The lengths at which you go to defend hurts on everything is insane.

I can't tell if you are sincere or just a troll.

Hurts bailing on a perfectly clean pocket instead of throwing a pass to a wide open Watkins had nothing to do with wind, if the wind was that bad why would sirrianni dial up a deep post, Watkins was the first option in the play was wide open would have scored a TD to make it 17-7 instead he bails on the play bails on the pocket dumps it off to a RB and they punt.

Stupid stuff by hurts that any qb worth his salt should make 10 out of 10 times.

Including  hurts who made the exact play later in the game when the bucs had basically stopped playing defense.

I don't think Jerry rice and Randy moss would be ok collecting meaningless stats in garbage time loss, moss might not rice 

If hurts can't consistently get the ball to his weapons when open then what's the point of surrounding him with better weapons???

Is Calvin Ridley worth a 1st or a 2nd rounder? 

The presser was just FO speak.  Don't tip their hand.  I'm sure Siri was briefed on what the party line is.

Not saying that things won't happen as they suggested, but Howie has stated every year, he will always look for ways to improve the team.

Wilson at the right price would accomplish that.

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

It's only speculation and we could play the guessing game of their true intents all offseason, ultimately actions speak louder than words, but that PC sounded to me like a GM and HC who back Hurts as their quarterback in 2022. That is concerning to me.

As good as Howie can be with resource management (yes, he gave out a few bad contracts and his 1st round picks suck, but he has a better understanding than a lot of the "football guys" who get GM jobs), I really think he lacks the understanding of the NFL game. He isn't able to see the difference between a team who is winning because of their quarterback and a team who wins in spite of him. He doesn't know the ins and outs of the QB position. I don't trust his evaluation of Hurts at all. Hopefully, he's able to listen to the coaches and pro personnel staff with that.

I can see why you'd say that. To me, it sounded like guys who've recently experienced bad PR dealing with a QB they had doubts about.