1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Where are the Hurts Huggers?  I am curious to know their opinions on this report that the Eagles are expected to take a "major swing" at available QB's. 

And when I say I am curious, that means I am not because they are morons.  Just wondering when they will spit out the K o o L AID and swallow their pride.  

https://heavy.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles/jimmy-garoppolo-trade-rumors/

 

 

And when the word major is used, I am not thinking Jimmy G. BTW.

57 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Comparing a QB who lacks the necessary physical and mental traits to be a top QB in the league, to a young coach?  That's just odd.  QB's just don't "develop".  If that's the case, then there would be thousands of QB's in the HOF.  He's played 4 years in college....and more than a season in the NFL.  His weaknesses have been weaknesses all that time.  Sure, can a guy get better at reading coverages, of course.  Can a guy improve his accuracy by working on his fundamentals, yes.  Can a guy get better at the pre-snap part of the game, somewhat.  But can a guy do all of that AND vastly improve his arm talent?  No.  In order to do that, he needs a complete rework of his throwing motion.  That is a long process.  And that isn't even addressing the mental side of the game where he has always struggled.  He simply is Not good enough.  And the Eagles know that, have known that and will work to resolve that.   

Tell it to the GOAT.

Jeff Garcia bounced around for half a decade, Warner was bagging groceries.

15 hours ago, downundermike said:

Where do you think that pass ends up if Hurts tried to do that ??

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It was only condemned until Wentz's game went into the tank and a large portion of the fan base and media was all over Hurts....for a lot of non football related reasons.  

I'm talking about the initial reaction to the pick, not how people have changed their minds after the fact.   In the moment the pick was made, it was a bad pick.  It continues to appear to be a bad pick.   And people shouldn't try to spin it now.  We don't have to give Hurts time to become a starter because he was always viewed as a developmental QB.  He was viewed as Taysom Hill, or as a backup when he was drafted.  And that's exactly what he looks like.   People laugh at the Saints and Hill, but some of those same folks don't see the parallel to Hurts.  And if you draft a guy with the intention of him being the backup QB, and then he goes out and basically plays like a backup... why would that make anyone think that he is a long term starter?   

 

It boggles my mind.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.  With what pick?  

It was almost universally condemned.  Then afan came and told us it would cost $10M/year to sign a backup QB, so this was the best route.   

19 makes the most sense. I think edge rusher is the top target if they don't go QB, so 15/16 seems highly unlikely.

But who knows? Lance Zierlein had them taking Drake London (while intimating he knows something about the Eagles targeting a big WR, so not Williams), which would make me throw up.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Where are the Hurts Huggers?  I am curious to know their opinions on this report that the Eagles are expected to take a "major swing" at available QB's. 

And when I say I am curious, that means I am not because they are morons.  Just wondering when they will spit out the K o o L AID and swallow their pride.  

https://heavy.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles/jimmy-garoppolo-trade-rumors/

And when the word major is used, I am not thinking Jimmy G. BTW.

Who are these people and what do they do other than generate click bait?

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Tell it to the GOAT.

Jeff Garcia bounced around for half a decade, Warner was bagging groceries.

Ever hear of a false equivalency?

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

19 makes the most sense. I think edge rusher is the top target if they don't go QB, so 15/16 seems highly unlikely.

But who knows? Lance Zierlein had them taking Drake London (while intimating he knows something about the Eagles targeting a big WR, so not Williams), which would make me throw up.

Disagree.   I would really like to NOT be the Lions and draft a WR in three straight first rounds.

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm talking about the initial reaction to the pick, not how people have changed their minds after the fact.   In the moment the pick was made, it was a bad pick.  It continues to appear to be a bad pick.   And people shouldn't try to spin it now.  We don't have to give Hurts time to become a starter because he was always viewed as a developmental QB.  He was viewed as Taysom Hill, or as a backup when he was drafted.  And that's exactly what he looks like.   People laugh at the Saints and Hill, but some of those same folks don't see the parallel to Hurts.  And if you draft a guy with the intention of him being the backup QB, and then he goes out and basically plays like a backup... why would that make anyone think that he is a long term starter?   

 

It boggles my mind.

I think there’s a good portion of the fan base that doesn’t want to accept they do not have a franchise QB and internally understand how hard it is to get one. The eagles moved heaven and earth to get wentz and  long term didn’t work out to what they ultimately envisioned. So they want hurts to be it so bad so we don’t have to go through that process of trying to acquire one. 

The absolute dumbest thing this team could do is throw draft capitol at these QBs.

The roster of the Eagles sucks. Every QB presumably available comes from a better situation.

Aside from the Oline and D Smith, there is a pile of Howie excrement out on the field.

No one...no one would want to come here in a trade to play QB.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

All those people are doing is advocating delaying of the process.  First step in fixing a problem is admitting you have one.  

And there in lies a big part of the problem. We still have people thinking the eagles aren’t going to be aggressive in the QB market while rumors tried to trade up last year for Zach Wilson, sent their head of security to houston to investigate Watson’s situation, joel corry an agent saying the ertz trade was delayed because they were trying to work a deal out for watson, at the deadline tied to a potential QB trade to the offseason we are back to albert breer and multiple beat writers saying the eagles are going to be aggressive in that QB market. 

I ultimately don’t think they get the quarterback they want in the trade market but if you don’t believe they’re going to try and be aggressive in it then you are probably just in denial at this point.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think there’s a good portion of the fan base that doesn’t want to accept they do not have a franchise QB and internally understand how hard it is to get one. The eagles moved heaven and earth to get wentz and  long term didn’t work out to what they ultimately envisioned. So they want hurts to be it so bad so we don’t have to go through that process of trying to acquire one. 

3 minutes ago, DevilMayRage said:

The absolute dumbest thing this team could do is throw draft capitol at these QBs.

The roster of the Eagles sucks. Every QB presumably available comes from a better situation.

Aside from the Oline and D Smith, there is a pile of Howie excrement out on the field.

No one...no one would want to come here in a trade to play QB.

The absolute dumbest thing they could do is delude themselves into thinking Hurts is the answer.  They may have to settle for him, as no better option is currently attainable, but they need to continue to overturn every rock to look for an upgrade.  

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok, a few things.  I and most detractors don't HATE Jalen Hurts....so just stop with that.  What I hate and what most smart fans hate is the anointment of Hurts because A.) he's not Carson Wentz, B.) he can run, c.) he's cool or has swag d.) the supposed leadership skills he has.  The over the top gushing over a very flawed QB is what we hate.  The assertion that he is a "KID" which he isn't and the flat out lies about his improvement.  Getting better and being good enough are two different things.  Ben Simmons can improve from the FT line....like from 50% to 60%....he got better....right?  Is it good enough?  NO! 

 

There are plenty of players that have come and gone through philly you could have used as an example......comparing Hurts to Sean McDermott is just really odd and out of left field.  

That is fine, I can stop with the word hate. There is definitely vitriol being spewed though.

I also agree that the over-the-top gushing for Hurts is ridiculous as well. He is a flawed QB that needs a lot of work.

However, to me, a 23-year-old QB is still a kid.

I think the biggest disagreement is whether someone believes that he can be good enough. I feel like he has the possibility of being good enough. Enough of a possibility to allow the Eagles to spend their draft capital and resources on other weaknesses on the team unless they can get a long-term top-end QB. You feel he will never be good enough. I don't think either of us will ever change our minds on that during the offseason.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think there’s a good portion of the fan base that doesn’t want to accept they do not have a franchise QB and internally understand how hard it is to get one. The eagles moved heaven and earth to get wentz and  long term didn’t work out to what they ultimately envisioned. So they want hurts to be it so bad so we don’t have to go through that process of trying to acquire one. 

Reasonable price and availability. Neither in sight this year.  That’s okay because this team isn’t a QB away from competing seriously in the playoffs, even on offense. Maybe there is a good portion of the fan base that realize this team isn’t close to finishing the rebuild this year and 2023 may offer a greater opportunity.  Let’s rebuild the defense.  Teams with mediocre defenses tend to lose in the playoffs. 

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

What If: One of the big 3 OTs drop to #15: Neal/Cross/Ekwonu. All three have positional versatility to play Guard.

Do we take em'? Plug them inside at Guard for a few seasons until Lane is ready to be replaced?

Some interesting scenarios come up when you simulate mock too much. 🤪

Neal or Ekwonu, yes. Cross, no. Cross is too much a catcher for my taste and doesn't have the power to play guard.

 

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

What If: One of the big 3 OTs drop to #15: Neal/Cross/Ekwonu. All three have positional versatility to play Guard.

Do we take em'? Plug them inside at Guard for a few seasons until Lane is ready to be replaced?

Some interesting scenarios come up when you simulate mock too much. 🤪

RT is probably an underrated need. Ekwonu played a fair amount at LG in college.  It wouldn't be a bad pick.  I don't know how Neal may project as a guard.  He would be a good RT prospect.  

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Big shock.  Refs were told to let LA win.  They weren't going to call anything on the Rams unless it was flagrant.

44 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

The more mock draft scenarios I see, the more I don't mind pulling the trigger on Jameson Williams.

Btw, what do the OL experts of the board think of Penning? Too tall for guard, I imagine?

I like Penning, a lot. He's a big boy, but I think he could still play guard if need be. For all of his size, he really isn't that much bigger than Dickerson.

36 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Tell it to the GOAT.

Jeff Garcia bounced around for half a decade, Warner was bagging groceries.

I really like these examples.  Garcia spent 5 years in the CFL throwing the football all over the yard.  Warner spent 4 years in arena football throwing the ball all over the yard.

Where can we send Hurts for 4-5 years to learn how to throw??

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Nice try, but the Bengals were headed in the other direction in the fourth quarter.

The shot they use is from a first quarter play.

4th & 1 at LAR 49  (10:00 - 1st) (Shotgun) J.Burrow pass incomplete short right to J.Chase (E.Jones)

This is the actual play.

53 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Reasonable price and availability. Neither in sight this year.  That’s okay because this team isn’t a QB away from competing seriously in the playoffs, even on offense. Maybe there is a good portion of the fan base that realize this team isn’t close to finishing the rebuild this year and 2023 may offer a greater opportunity.  Let’s rebuild the defense.  Teams with mediocre defenses tend to lose in the playoffs. 

I do think there’s some fans that believe that i also read consistently a lot of fans out there that want to believe Jalen hurts is like josh Allen so he needs more time. Maybe on here you could be correct however going out and reading what Eagles fans are actually saying outside of the blog you’d be in for a rude awakening on what some of these fans expect hurts to ultimately become

why I brought up yesterday you don’t need just drafting with 3 first round picks to rebuild your defense. There’s avenues outside of just drafting with the 3 firsts that the bengals used and even the rams to build theirs. that defense is not getting fixed in one off season. They are also very likely going to need 2023 draft and offseason as well. And this doesn’t even include the possibility the picks they make actually hit or miss. If they unfortunately have misses then you could be right back to the same situation in 2023 saying we still have major needs in fixing the defense so the opportunity in 2024 could be greater. That possibility exists. Just as much as a possibility exists that you also hit. Based off how the Eagles have drafted defensively since 2013 it’s not that much of a stretch it could go either way

frankly I don’t think they get the quarterback they truly covet this year because I think cost prohibitive to them. However not naive enough to believe they aren’t going to be aggressive in that market (with who is out there) in hopes they can pull it off. If it were just albert breer i think you can say it is just for clicks. However there’s been an agent in the NFL who works closely with the Eagles who has said they were trying to (corry). Schefter has said it. Mortensen has alluded to it. Mosher and caplan have also discussed it. Whether or not they get it done Is a completely different story then they’re not gonna try to go after one.

24 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 

For real, I had a chuckle yesterday when some twitter person was hot about Aaron Donald being in the neutral zone one play - meanwhile the OL gets a early jump AND setups so far back every play (not within a yard of the LoS).