1 minute ago, UK Eagle said:

I would be highly surprised if the Eagles drafted a LB and S in round 1 of the draft.  One of those is a possibility, as every position is, but it's more likely that it will be a 2nd/3rd round pick. Fred Warner was a 3rd round pick, so was Logan Wilson, so value is there, but the Eagles have to identify it and commit to it. Not something they have been keen to do but perhaps seeing how pedestrian the D was at times, perhaps Howie learned a lesson.

DT could be the 1st round pick that we don't see coming.

I'd say the first round picks will likely be:

DE -- 90% likely, almost a mortal lock.  It's a philosophical staple and statistically a glaring weakness

CB -- 50/50 because the position is becoming a more premium commodity

DT -- 2/1 odds against.  Would love to draft Leal if he's on the board, though

S -- I'll put at 50/50 as well because it's quite possible both McLeod and Harris are gone

WR -- 2/3 chance it will happen.  It's still DeVonta Smith and tumbleweeds.  I think a FA signing will happen too

LB -- 3/1 odds against.  Not a huge fan of Nakobe Dean, and Lloyd might go just before #15

QB -- 2/1 odds against.  But I reserve the right to change that view after the Combine.  Don't rule out a trade-up into the top 5 for Pickett

OL -- 40% chance.  It's also a philosophical staple

15 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Regarding Wilson and his performance over the years. From 2012-2014 Wilson was 6-2 with a Super Bowl win and 2 Super Bowl appearances. From 2015-present, Wilson is 3-5 with his last playoff win being the 2019 game against the Eagles where Clowney took out Wentz. If you believe the Eagles would have won that game had Wentz not been taken out, Wilson's previous playoff win would have been from 2016 against the Lions. Yes, the Detroit Lions.

I think Wilson is way past his prime, and at this point in his career is not going to carry a team to the playoffs.

Stafford carried his terrible teams where? What has Aaron Rodgers done in the playoffs? While QBs play a role in the playoffs, the big difference in the Seahawks' performances over the years is the decline in their defenses and their poor offensive lines.  Wilson hasn't been the issue.  He's been the main reason they have stayed successful.  

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'd say the first round picks will likely be:

DE -- 90% likely, almost a mortal lock.  It's a philosophical staple and statistically a glaring weakness

CB -- 50/50 because the position is becoming a more premium commodity

DT -- 2/1 odds against.  Would love to draft Leal if he's on the board, though

S -- I'll put at 50/50 as well because it's quite possible both McLeod and Harris are gone

WR -- 2/3 chance it will happen.  It's still DeVonta Smith and tumbleweeds.  I think a FA signing will happen too

LB -- 3/1 odds against.  Not a huge fan of Nakobe Dean, and Lloyd might go just before #15

QB -- 2/1 odds against.  But I reserve the right to change that view after the Combine.  Don't rule out a trade-up into the top 5 for Pickett

OL -- 40% chance.  It's also a philosophical staple

I'd hammer the under on S. The last time they took a S in the first round was the year after Jerry Robinson. 

24 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Regarding Wilson and his performance over the years. From 2012-2014 Wilson was 6-2 with a Super Bowl win and 2 Super Bowl appearances. From 2015-present, Wilson is 3-5 with his last playoff win being the 2019 game against the Eagles where Clowney took out Wentz. If you believe the Eagles would have won that game had Wentz not been taken out, Wilson's previous playoff win would have been from 2016 against the Lions. Yes, the Detroit Lions.

I think Wilson is way past his prime, and at this point in his career is not going to carry a team to the playoffs.

He threw a career high 40 TD's in 2020, with a career high completion percentage and second highest passing yardage.

32 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Jimmy G is terrible. He's moves no needle. 

 

So many people in this thread have no basic comprehension of team building.  All just want the shiny object of a new QB. 

Jimmy G has been to a Super Bowl. Stop it. He’s not great, but he’s not "terrible.” He’s a definite upgrade and, at worst, a bridge QB. Hurts is so bad that you don’t exactly know what you have on offense.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He threw a career high 40 TD's in 2020, with a career high completion percentage and second highest passing yardage.

I’d also point out before he hurt his finger this year, he was completing 72% of his passes, he had 10 touchdowns to 1 interception and had a quarterback rating of 125.

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Stafford carried his terrible teams where? What has Aaron Rodgers done in the playoffs? While QBs play a role in the playoffs, the big difference in the Seahawks' performances over the years is the decline in their defenses and their poor offensive lines.  Wilson hasn't been the issue.  He's been the main reason they have stayed successful.  

The Seahawks roster as a whole has actually been pretty bad the past few seasons.  Wilson was performing magic there just to keep them in playoff contention.  

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You think your breaking any news with me?  I’d rather punt some of our equity to next year in hopes of a much better QB class.  Certainly over throwing all in for Russell fing Wilson.  

We aren't going all in on Russell Wilson.

 

 

 

We are going all in for Mr. Unliiiiiimited 

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'd say the first round picks will likely be:

DE -- 90% likely, almost a mortal lock.  It's a philosophical staple and statistically a glaring weakness

CB -- 50/50 because the position is becoming a more premium commodity

DT -- 2/1 odds against.  Would love to draft Leal if he's on the board, though

S -- I'll put at 50/50 as well because it's quite possible both McLeod and Harris are gone

WR -- 2/3 chance it will happen.  It's still DeVonta Smith and tumbleweeds.  I think a FA signing will happen too

LB -- 3/1 odds against.  Not a huge fan of Nakobe Dean, and Lloyd might go just before #15

QB -- 2/1 odds against.  But I reserve the right to change that view after the Combine.  Don't rule out a trade-up into the top 5 for Pickett

OL -- 40% chance.  It's also a philosophical staple

DT is a strangely quiet need; Cox is a one year only, Hargrave is the same at the moment and with Williams, that is it.  CB could be another one but DE is a bulls eye target.

Not sure, from a PR perspective, they can take another WR in the first round. Or high picks.

55 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

I had always though McDaniels pulled out of Indy because he learned that Luck was on the fence about playing and could retire. McDaniels probably wanted nothing to do with a rebuild, so I would also think he would rather work with Carr. I much prefer the Eagles stay put with what they have now, try and trade down for some picks next year and go after a QB then. I don't really see Wilson, Carr, or Jimmy G moving the needle much here.

Wilson and Carr would move the needle significantly, in my opinion.  I'm not chomping to trade picks for QB but won't squawk if we do, unless it's Jimmy G.  

I agree with your assessment of Josh.  But one never knows.   Maybe he has a love affair with Jimmy.

Just now, UK Eagle said:

DT is a strangely quiet need; Cox is a one year only, Hargrave is the same at the moment and with Williams, that is it.  CB could be another one but DE is a bulls eye target.

Not sure, from a PR perspective, they can take another WR in the first round. Or high picks.

Not sure from a PR perspective they can trot Reagor out there as a starting WR. 

22 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Moving the needle is not contingent on dethroning the Super Bowl champions.  Not being competitive in the game was a continuation of a theme from playing strong teams in the first half of the season.

The Eagles were not competitive in any facet of that game -- offense, defense, special teams.  The defense is barren of talent and needs a significant influx through the draft and free agency, if possible.  Special teams had been a problem all season especially in the last two months when Siposs tailed off.  The offense runs through the QB.  Without a competent QB the other 10 pieces doesn't matter.  The other 10 pieces while still a work in progress is much further along than the defense .... except for the QB.

Moving the needle would be winning a playoff game. I don't think Carr, Jimmy G, nor Wilson would have been able to do so, giving us the same result.

11 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Stafford carried his terrible teams where? What has Aaron Rodgers done in the playoffs? While QBs play a role in the playoffs, the big difference in the Seahawks' performances over the years is the decline in their defenses and their poor offensive lines.  Wilson hasn't been the issue.  He's been the main reason they have stayed successful.  

Yes, there is much more to winning than just the QB. My intent was not to say Wilson is the issue for Seattle, I realize he is whats keeping that team relevant. I see the Eagles have a less talented roster than what Seattle has had the last couple of years. So you're taking a QB that has an OK team around him and move him to a team with less talent. I don't feel that's going to move the needle much for the Eagles.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He threw a career high 40 TD's in 2020, with a career high completion percentage and second highest passing yardage.

Ok, Seattle got knocked out in the 1st round and he had his worst playoff performance in 2020.

15 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Much better QB than Eli.  Similar to Big Ben. 

If he gets some more post-season run at the end of his career, becomes much more likely.

I am not sure what the criteria was for Aikman and Warner.  I do not think either of them deserved it from a statistical standpoint.  What they do share is multiple Pro Bowl appearances.  Stafford only has one Pro Bowl.  Maybe that will change but I think that's going to play a role.  Eli has 4 Pro Bowls.  

I'm still confused.  What the hell was Dave Spadaro doing on QVC selling Rams SB gear?

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

Moving the needle would be winning a playoff game. I don't think Carr, Jimmy G, nor Wilson would have been able to do so, giving us the same result.

Done...

   Wentz -> Indy for a 3rd in '21 and a 1st in '22.

   #6 overall in '21(Waddle) and a 5th in '21 -> Miami for #12 overall in '21, a 1st in '22, and a 4th in '21

   #12 overall in '21 and a 3rd in '21 -> Dallas for #10 overall in '21 (Smith).

Now...

   1st in '22, a 1st in '22, and Hurts -> Seattle for Wilson.

Cancelling out, you get...

   Wentz, Hurts, and Waddle for Wilson and Smith

 

Thoughts?

Have to throw the ball 

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm still confused.  What the hell was Dave Spadaro doing on QVC selling Rams SB gear?

Doing what he does best. Being a stooge. 

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not sure from a PR perspective they can trot Reagor out there as a starting WR. 

Agree.  They need to sign a Vet in FA and remove the draft from the equation.

1 minute ago, UK Eagle said:

Agree.  They need to sign a Vet in FA and remove the draft from the equation.

But if you're upgrading from Reagor, JJAW and Ward that's going to take more than a FA signing.

10 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Done...

   Wentz -> Indy for a 3rd in '21 and a 1st in '22.

   #6 overall in '21(Waddle) and a 5th in '21 -> Miami for #12 overall in '21, a 1st in '22, and a 4th in '21

   #12 overall in '21 and a 3rd in '21 -> Dallas for #10 overall in '21 (Smith).

Now...

   1st in '22, a 1st in '22, and Hurts -> Seattle for Wilson.

Cancelling out, you get...

   Wentz, Hurts, and Waddle for Wilson and Smith

 

Thoughts?

21 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Ok, Seattle got knocked out in the 1st round and he had his worst playoff performance in 2020.

Incorrect.

He went 11 of 27 for 174 yards, 2 TD's and 1 pick against a Rams team he has historically struggled against.

He has two playoff games with less yards.

He has three playoff games with a lower QB rating

He has three playoff games with more INT's including a 4 interception game.

 

13 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Done...

   Wentz -> Indy for a 3rd in '21 and a 1st in '22.

   #6 overall in '21(Waddle) and a 5th in '21 -> Miami for #12 overall in '21, a 1st in '22, and a 4th in '21

   #12 overall in '21 and a 3rd in '21 -> Dallas for #10 overall in '21 (Smith).

Now...

   1st in '22, a 1st in '22, and Hurts -> Seattle for Wilson.

Cancelling out, you get...

   Wentz, Hurts, and Waddle for Wilson and Smith

 

Thoughts?

Lukewarm, frankly -- from a roster building perspective at least.  No fault of Wilson, who I would acquire for two firsts and Hurts (although I prefer one of the 1sts is a 2023).

It's just depressing how they wrecked a #2 overall pick at the same time flushing a 2nd round pick into a bottom-tier starting QB/high-end backup.    

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Jimmy G is terrible. He's moves no needle. 

 

So many people in this thread have no basic comprehension of team building.  All just want the shiny object of a new QB. 

I don't think you know as much as you think you know.  Especially concerning basic QB comprehension. 

Jimmy G isn't good.  That you may know as much as you think you know.

43 minutes ago, SB52 said:

Jimmy G has been to a Super Bowl. Stop it. He’s not great, but he’s not "terrible.” He’s a definite upgrade and, at worst, a bridge QB. Hurts is so bad that you don’t exactly know what you have on offense.

 

He's terrible.  He is not an upgrade, he is a downgrade.