14 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Jimmy G has been linked to a first rounder from the Redskins, Eagles and even the "my" steelers. He's defiantly gonna get traded this off season for at least a 2nd(my guess is a 2nd and a 6th) 

theres not one team in the NFL that would give you a 2nd for Hurts. 

 

0.0 chance the Eagles trade a first for Jimmy G and if they do then Roseman should be fired on the spot. Jimmy G is not good and the arrow is pointing down on his career as he has been getting worse. 

6 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Team USA pissed that game away. Couldn't get one clear with an empty net or one good shot on a 5 on 3. And it had to be am ex Bruin who beat them in the shootout. 

I'm not watching because I prefer to not support genocide.

20 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Jimmy G has been linked to a first rounder from the Redskins, Eagles and even the "my" steelers. He's defiantly gonna get traded this off season for at least a 2nd(my guess is a 2nd and a 6th) 

theres not one team in the NFL that would give you a 2nd for Hurts. 

Jimmy G makes this team only slightly better. I don’t think he’s worth trading anything for.
 

My thought is if you don’t think he’s worth a first round pick then what’s the point? He’s not winning you a Super Bowl. 

Anyway I hope you get his Steeler jersey 

16 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You think your breaking any news with me?  I’d rather punt some of our equity to next year in hopes of a much better QB class.  Certainly over throwing all in for Russell fing Wilson.  

I'm ok with punting some of our equity to next year, but thatsw after we took a swing and a miss on WIlson-

Because The issue with that is: - lets say we do that, and none of those QB's turn out to be anywhere near as good as Wilson, then what?   On no, we suk again. 

It's the most important position in all of sports, when you have the chance to get a known TOP QB with 5-8 Years left of playability- YOU DO IT! Because they just are not out there. For every Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and Justin Herbert, there are 10 Jared Goffs drafted.  You are banking on us being lucky enough to draft one of the good ones, (low percentage) instead we can bank on a known commodity - (high percentage)

 

We shouldn't be trading for Jimmy G. But as bad as Jimmy G is (and he's bad), he's still better than our RB posing as a QB. It's really that simple. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

We shouldn't be trading for Jimmy G. But as bad as Jimmy G is (and he's bad), he's still better than our RB posing as a QB. It's really that simple. 

I might give a 5th rounder for Jimmy G- he'd be a place holder QB at best. Minshew can do that. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Olympics are done/dead. 

If they never had them again I dont think anyone would care. Outside of the obscure athlete who does these weird and trivial events 

They should hold all summer Olympics in Athens. Winter, I'd nominate Vancouver as they have the facilities and mountains to support it. Have every participating country donate funding. It would stop the ridiculous bidding, it would stop the ridiculous infrastructure some of these places have to build only to never use again. 

2 hours ago, greend said:

I don't think you understand the difference a decent qb can make and Hurts doesn't even hold the jock strap of any of those guys. Wilson can drop it on a dime deep still. Hurts can't hit a stationary bus after 20 yards

I 100% understand what a competent QB can do. My point is the Eagles lack talent and depth almost across every position. Spending resources to go and get one of these QBs in FA is going to hinder them in filling those gaps. I don't think adding Wilson to this team is going to automatically elevate them to a different level and be able to make deep playoff runs. Seattle has had a more talented team than the Eagles have had the last couple of years, and they have not been making deep playoff runs. How would Wilson all of a sudden be able to take the Eagles on these runs when there is less talent?

23 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Jimmy G makes this team only slightly better. I don’t think he’s worth trading anything for.
 

My thought is if you don’t think he’s worth a first round pick then what’s the point? He’s not winning you a Super Bowl. 

Anyway I hope you get his Steeler jersey 

Paying a QB $25M and/or a premium pick because he’s an "upgrade” over Hurts is a waste of time. 

Get a real upgrade or draft a guy you believe in. Otherwise, let Hurts or Minshew hold down the fort while we figure things out. 

I can't think of a worse idea than trading for Jimmy G. You're losing picks and cap space, for a QB who can't stay healthy and was less productive than Hurts this year.

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

I dont think anyone is really arguing to get Jimmy G here, nor do people really want Jimmy G here. 

i think the debate is that he's head and shoulders better than Hurts. 

Nobody has proposed trading for Jimmy G. Why this is perpetuated is baffling. 

2 hours ago, Original Sin said:

Brown keeping things real 

 

 

Typically, if the offensive line is mentioned during a game that is not a good thing. Lineman who do their job well don't really get noticed.  

You can talk scheme, talent, body type, whatever. Burrow was beaten badly by that D line.  

McShay has us taking:

Dean

Walker

Burks

4 QBs go in the first - Pickett/Willis/Corral/Howell

Trade for Sam Darnold 

Hurts is #14 on most likely to win NFL MVP next year

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-mvp-odds-picks-for-2022-season-joe-burrow-dak-prescott-lead-list-of-value-picks-to-take-home-award/

Above Derek Carr and Brady (who isn't playing, but is still on this list.)

7 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

McShay has us taking:

Dean

Walker

Burks

4 QBs go in the first - Pickett/Willis/Corral/Howell

It was weird to see the Steelers trade up for a QB in front of the Saints, but not have it be with us. 

23 minutes ago, RLC said:

I can't think of a worse idea than trading for Jimmy G. You're losing picks and cap space, for a QB who can't stay healthy and was less productive than Hurts this year.

I do think it's interesting that his 2 healthy years as a starter ended in a Super Bowl appearance and a conference championship appearance respectively.

Makes me wonder what the 49ers would've looked like with Stafford or one of the vet options this offseason.

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Brown keeping things real 

 

 

Lot of truth there.  You can see it in some mocks posted on the web for all positions.  Real issue for me in evaluating defensive players this year is, given the lack of players and things Gannon tried early on, I am not sure we know what he wants to run.   For example, Schwartz clearly favored DEs whose job it was to seal the edge and aggressive DTs who collapsed the pocket.  I suspect that Gannon may want edge rushers with a multipurpose SAM.  I think that SAM looks a lot like a 3/4 OLB.  And that he wants at least one DT that can play like a 3/4 DE. I wonder if he wants to play some sort of hybrid, kind of like Belichek and occasionally the Ravens have used.  Not sure we see a distinct line play from him.  We see a lot of line shifts nowadays.  Teams aren’t singularly one gap or two gap teams.  They tend to want the versatility to mix it up.   The Eagles don’t have the LBs to allow that flexibility, which I suspect means they draft some.  (Brown is spot on as to fans and schemes for LBs with some of the mocks posted where the different types of LBs is so varied.)

Interesting thing with Schwartz’s secondary is I think Undlin was free to do his own thing which is why sometimes it looked like the secondary was on a different page from the front seven.  There is all sorts of speculation as to what Gannon favors based on his working with Zimmer and Eberflus.  (I think it is hilarious that the analysts tend to hamstring defensive coaches like this and more quickly abandon tags of offensive coaches.). I wonder if Gannon has his own thoughts. The glacial speed at S and MIKE really limited him this year.  I wonder what we see.  No doubt we will see some zone.  The DBs brought in and traded for/picked up by Howie don’t suggest press.  They do suggest speed and quickness.  Not sure what the thought is on size and height because that is probably influenced by who was available. 

Both Gowan and McCain are 6 footers and somewhat light. Both ran sub 4.5:forties with good 3 cones and short shuttles. McPhearson is an inch shorter and a few pounds heavier and a 4.5:guy with a real good 3 cone and short shuttle.  Not Slay fast but few CBs are.  What is interesting are Scott and Vincent.  Both are fast in the forties. Neither ran 3 cones or short shuttles but looked quick in college.  Vincent played mostly nickel but some snaps at S.  I think that is why he is listed as a DB.  Both are a bit under 5’ 10”.  Both required draft capital.  Could have been insurance against Maddox not extending but I think there is a possibility that this is more than that.   That brings me to Chachere.  Was a CB in college.  Sub 4.5 guy with good short shuttle and real good 3 cone.  Listed as a DB.  I think that may be what Gannon looks for in a versatile S.  Saw some time in the down S role in three S positions.  Mayden is similar but just not as quick.  

Suggests that Gannon wants decent speed in the secondary. Faster Ss than current McLeod and Harris.  I think we will see a different approach as the secondary gets better but that we will see Cover 2 and hopefully some Cover 1 as he gets the bodies.  I wonder if he wants to play some of the Sagan/Belichek Cover 1.   I still expect a bit of high Ss but as the players get better, the depth of the drop won’t need to be quite as high and the cushions decrease (in other words, tighter zones).  Thing is I think anyone would be speculating what Gannon wants to run.  Nelson, McLeod and Harris really limited what he could do and with Singleton and Edwards as the LBs, that created real gaps in the zones.  

I won’t be surprised by picks this year on defense because I think it is a guess as to what Gannon seeks.  

52 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I might give a 5th rounder for Jimmy G- he'd be a place holder QB at best. Minshew can do that. 

That’s exactly my thought what does he do that Minshew can’t. 

 

1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

That room needs a veteran presence badly; it needs a colleague to tell Reagor to go hard all game, to stop rounding routes off etc rather than being a coach shouting down. Having someone in the room who has the credibility of production, is way more important than another young WR for me.  Plus, the D needs to get better - it's old in some places and talentless in others.  I can do with 1 year more of smurf WRs if that means the Eagles can draft an impact DE highly, or a young CB to learn opposite from Slay. 

Bigger picture, WR is a draft position where I think the FO have to hold their nose and accept the smell. Esp if they trade at least 1 high pick for a QB. 

If Reagor won’t listen to his coaches, why would we think he would listen to a veteran?  Maybe he just isn’t quick enough.

20 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Russel Wilson isn't anywhere near as good as Russel Wilson was.  So when you suggest we trade assets for him, it's as risky if not more risky then drafting a young player.  You're assuming Wilson won't decline.  He will, he already has.  What Brady did is not a trend, it's unique.  What LAR did this year is not a trend, it's unique.  You always build through the draft and add accents via FA.  You're banking on a lot more than me just banking on us drafting one of the good ones.  A. Wilson wants to come here.  B. Wilson's game will not continue to decline as he is already 33 years old. C. We have a roster built to support the 33 year old scrambling QB.  

 

I can be convinced of Watson.....Not Wilson.  Not unless he costs only one 1st and we are able to get equity to draft a QB high in 2023.....which if we are able to do that then there won't be much of team to put around Wilson anyway.  

 

 

Don't be seduced into thinking the Tampa and LAR way is the prudent way to build a SB winning team.  It isn't.  Both of those squads were pretty talented before the QB's got there.  Eagles aren't.  Take the long path....because the shortcut is useless with this roster.  

Disagree. Wilson is less of a risk then punting and drafting a prospect next year. Trading for wilson has a higher percentage of working out, Vs. Drafting a QB. It's a much better ROI on your value for Picks.   Yes still a risk, much less of a risk. 

Just consider all the Jjaws and Jalen Reagors we have drafted. Consider you know what you are getting with Wilson. Vs we could draft 3 more JJAW type players. Worse yet, QB's are very hard to project into NFL 

It’s taken me a while to get to this point but I actually respect Carson now for his decision to leave Philly. He understood that remaining here was not good for him nor the team. I think it became clear to those who wanted to see in 2020 that Hurts was close to being a better player than current day Carson and by the end of the 2021 season, that happened.

My guess is Carson is more mature than we give him credit for. Staying in Philly would have created a crap storm of controversy in Training Camp (where I think Carson probably wins the QB competition against the wishes of his teammates) and another during the end of the season (when Hurts inevitably takes over again as the better player).

Plus Carson’s personality isn’t a fit for the ridiculousness that is the Philly fanbase. Crazily enough, Jalen (like BDN) was born to be this city’s QB.

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Lot of truth there.  You can see it in some mocks posted on the web for all positions.  Real issue for me in evaluating defensive players this year is, given the lack of players and things Gannon tried early on, I am not sure we know what he wants to run.   For example, Schwartz clearly favored DEs whose job it was to seal the edge and aggressive DTs who collapsed the pocket.  I suspect that Gannon may want edge rushers with a multipurpose SAM.  I think that SAM looks a lot like a 3/4 OLB.  And that he wants at least one DT that can play like a 3/4 DE. I wonder if he wants to play some sort of hybrid, kind of like Belichek and occasionally the Ravens have used.  Not sure we see a distinct line play from him.  We see a lot of line shifts nowadays.  Teams aren’t singularly one gap or two gap teams.  They tend to want the versatility to mix it up.   The Eagles don’t have the LBs to allow that flexibility, which I suspect means they draft some.  (Brown is spot on as to fans and schemes for LBs with some of the mocks posted where the different types of LBs is so varied.)

Interesting thing with Schwartz’s secondary is I think Undlin was free to do his own thing which is why sometimes it looked like the secondary was on a different page from the front seven.  There is all sorts of speculation as to what Gannon favors based on his working with Zimmer and Eberflus.  (I think it is hilarious that the analysts tend to hamstring defensive coaches like this and more quickly abandon tags of offensive coaches.). I wonder if Gannon has his own thoughts. The glacial speed at S and MIKE really limited him this year.  I wonder what we see.  No doubt we will see some zone.  The DBs brought in and traded for/picked up by Howie don’t suggest press.  They do suggest speed and quickness.  Not sure what the thought is on size and height because that is probably influenced by who was available. 

Both Gowan and McCain are 6 footers and somewhat light. Both ran sub 4.5:forties with good 3 cones and short shuttles. McPhearson is an inch shorter and a few pounds heavier and a 4.5:guy with a real good 3 cone and short shuttle.  Not Slay fast but few CBs are.  What is interesting are Scott and Vincent.  Both are fast in the forties. Neither ran 3 cones or short shuttles but looked quick in college.  Vincent played mostly nickel but some snaps at S.  I think that is why he is listed as a DB.  Both are a bit under 5’ 10”.  Both required draft capital.  Could have been insurance against Maddox not extending but I think there is a possibility that this is more than that.   That brings me to Chachere.  Was a CB in college.  Sub 4.5 guy with good short shuttle and real good 3 cone.  Listed as a DB.  I think that may be what Gannon looks for in a versatile S.  Saw some time in the down S role in three S positions.  Mayden is similar but just not as quick.  

Suggests that Gannon wants decent speed in the secondary. Faster Ss than current McLeod and Harris.  I think we will see a different approach as the secondary gets better but that we will see Cover 2 and hopefully some Cover 1 as he gets the bodies.  I wonder if he wants to play some of the Sagan/Belichek Cover 1.   I still expect a bit of high Ss but as the players get better, the depth of the drop won’t need to be quite as high and the cushions decrease (in other words, tighter zones).  Thing is I think anyone would be speculating what Gannon wants to run.  Nelson, McLeod and Harris really limited what he could do and with Singleton and Edwards as the LBs, that created real gaps in the zones.  

I won’t be surprised by picks this year on defense because I think it is a guess as to what Gannon seeks.  

This is a pretty good read on Gannons defense early on last year- https://heavy.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles/marcus-epps-jonathan-gannon/

I think over time they will settle into a specific scheme, but like that he is trying to stay flexible and not force one on the team.

 

16 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Lot of truth there.  You can see it in some mocks posted on the web for all positions.  Real issue for me in evaluating defensive players this year is, given the lack of players and things Gannon tried early on, I am not sure we know what he wants to run.   For example, Schwartz clearly favored DEs whose job it was to seal the edge and aggressive DTs who collapsed the pocket.  I suspect that Gannon may want edge rushers with a multipurpose SAM.  I think that SAM looks a lot like a 3/4 OLB.  And that he wants at least one DT that can play like a 3/4 DE. I wonder if he wants to play some sort of hybrid, kind of like Belichek and occasionally the Ravens have used.  Not sure we see a distinct line play from him.  We see a lot of line shifts nowadays.  Teams aren’t singularly one gap or two gap teams.  They tend to want the versatility to mix it up.   The Eagles don’t have the LBs to allow that flexibility, which I suspect means they draft some.  (Brown is spot on as to fans and schemes for LBs with some of the mocks posted where the different types of LBs is so varied.)

Interesting thing with Schwartz’s secondary is I think Undlin was free to do his own thing which is why sometimes it looked like the secondary was on a different page from the front seven.  There is all sorts of speculation as to what Gannon favors based on his working with Zimmer and Eberflus.  (I think it is hilarious that the analysts tend to hamstring defensive coaches like this and more quickly abandon tags of offensive coaches.). I wonder if Gannon has his own thoughts. The glacial speed at S and MIKE really limited him this year.  I wonder what we see.  No doubt we will see some zone.  The DBs brought in and traded for/picked up by Howie don’t suggest press.  They do suggest speed and quickness.  Not sure what the thought is on size and height because that is probably influenced by who was available. 

Both Gowan and McCain are 6 footers and somewhat light. Both ran sub 4.5:forties with good 3 cones and short shuttles. McPhearson is an inch shorter and a few pounds heavier and a 4.5:guy with a real good 3 cone and short shuttle.  Not Slay fast but few CBs are.  What is interesting are Scott and Vincent.  Both are fast in the forties. Neither ran 3 cones or short shuttles but looked quick in college.  Vincent played mostly nickel but some snaps at S.  I think that is why he is listed as a DB.  Both are a bit under 5’ 10”.  Both required draft capital.  Could have been insurance against Maddox not extending but I think there is a possibility that this is more than that.   That brings me to Chachere.  Was a CB in college.  Sub 4.5 guy with good short shuttle and real good 3 cone.  Listed as a DB.  I think that may be what Gannon looks for in a versatile S.  Saw some time in the down S role in three S positions.  Mayden is similar but just not as quick.  

Suggests that Gannon wants decent speed in the secondary. Faster Ss than current McLeod and Harris.  I think we will see a different approach as the secondary gets better but that we will see Cover 2 and hopefully some Cover 1 as he gets the bodies.  I wonder if he wants to play some of the Sagan/Belichek Cover 1.   I still expect a bit of high Ss but as the players get better, the depth of the drop won’t need to be quite as high and the cushions decrease (in other words, tighter zones).  Thing is I think anyone would be speculating what Gannon wants to run.  Nelson, McLeod and Harris really limited what he could do and with Singleton and Edwards as the LBs, that created real gaps in the zones.  

I won’t be surprised by picks this year on defense because I think it is a guess as to what Gannon seeks.  

Such a good post! We can moan and cry about huge gaps in zone coverage but the way to close those gaps is to have faster players and have safeties who don't line up 20+ yards off the ball.