18 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

It actually makes some sense.   Look at 2017 from the perspective of Nick Foles 2013 season.   That season, Nick was phenomenal yet the only time he came close to that production was the very end of 2017.:(BTW, Nick has two jerseys in the HOF, one from the 7 TD game against the Raiders in 2013 and one from the Super Bowl.  As much as I recall, Wentz has none).  So would you say that Foles declined or rather that he had a career year in 2013 and a great finish in 2017?   From that perspective, it appears 2016, 2018, 2019 are Wentz and 2017 was the career year.  

I would say Foles declined from what he was in 2013. I would say that the offense was designed perfectly for him  at the end of 2017 and teams really had no film of it yet. I would also say that Wentz was phenomenal in 2017 and declined from an MVP level to pretty decent until 2019. 3 injuries happened that probably caused his decline. 

So not it isn't the same.

 

16 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am listening to his podcast with Lance Zierlein.  Zierlein said he only had 1st round grades on 23 prospects. Brugler seemed to agree with him on that take.

That’s fine.  That means the Eagles can get three of them. 

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

Jalen would have been down there to catch her. 

He would have deadlifted her back on the platform

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Jalen would have been down there to catch her. 

Would’ve been lucky to have hurts to catch her cause reagor wouldn’t. 

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Jalen would have been down there to catch her. 

Reagor? He'd have dropped her and probably got her hurt even worse.

18 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am listening to his podcast with Lance Zierlein.  Zierlein said he only had 1st round grades on 23 prospects. Brugler seemed to agree with him on that take.

23 seems in line with most years. The lowest I remember  hearing from the top draft analysts is 19. 

21 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am listening to his podcast with Lance Zierlein.  Zierlein said he only had 1st round grades on 23 prospects. Brugler seemed to agree with him on that take.

So the historic depth of top prospects folks were talking about is BS, or more for the 2ndish round talent?

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

So the historic depth of top prospects folks were talking about is BS, or more for the 2ndish round talent?

The top-end is pretty standard aside from the dearth of QBs, but I think having 3x 5s will be useful in this draft as COVID held back these lower tiered prospects.

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Bet some PI lawyer talks her into suing Stafford despite the fact she backed off the stage.  They will also claim the venue is at fault for having a slanted stage and no railing.  California is a pure comparative negligence state.  That means even if she has considerable fault, she can collect for others’ faults. So you play on the heartstrings of the jury against those deep pockets and hope the jury decides, well they are probably insured so let’s throw some money her way.  CA has a Good Samaritan law but it has exceptions of acting responsibly.  There is no duty to render care.  He is away from her with elevation and probably drunk.  No condition to render aid in a responsible manner. Hate to say it but he made the right move as the stage was surrounded by others more able to render aid.

Perhaps the insurance industry has made you cynical.  I don't think anyone faults him for not jumping after her but he showed a real lack of empathy by just turning and walking away.  She a sports photographer.  My guess is that she's not going to sue anyone that could give her business. 

In NC, she would have no claim because we are one of the few pure contributory negligence states left.  I hope she has health insurance and short-term disability.  It's possible she could carry her own WC coverage but that seems unlikely. I'm guessing even if she was hired to cover the event she's probably an independent contractor and not anyone's employee. Of course, that cuts both ways because she may very well be able to sue the entity that hired her for the fall to the extent she can prove they were negligent vs. a more limited workers' comp recovery. 

8 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The top-end is pretty standard aside from the dearth of QBs, but I think having 3x 5s will be useful in this draft as COVID held back these lower tiered prospects.

It'll be a good draft to add NFL ready players in the middle rounds - players who returned to school and are more physically mature - so you won't have to spend as much time developing them on the practice squad. OL are a good example, a lot are drafted in the middle rounds with the expectations it'll take a couple years to turn them into serviceable players. Good draft to build up roster depth.

So the depth will be later in the draft, probably including UDFAs (thin crop last season, guys who'd normally slide to UDFA status were going in the 6th and 7th rds).

20 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Bet some PI lawyer talks her into suing Stafford despite the fact she backed off the stage.  They will also claim the venue is at fault for having a slanted stage and no railing.  California is a pure comparative negligence state.  That means even if she has considerable fault, she can collect for others’ faults. So you play on the heartstrings of the jury against those deep pockets and hope the jury decides, well they are probably insured so let’s throw some money her way.  CA has a Good Samaritan law but it has exceptions of acting responsibly.  There is no duty to render care.  He is away from her with elevation and probably drunk.  No condition to render aid in a responsible manner. Hate to say it but he made the right move as the stage was surrounded by others more able to render aid.

Sure sign of the measure of a man.  What he did was absolutely pathetic; showed a complete lack of compassion or concern for another.  If he wasn't swigging his water I assume he'd have laughed.

Even his pretzel-throwing wife showed the requisite concern.  Being drunk is never an excuse.

9 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

So the historic depth of top prospects folks were talking about is BS, or more for the 2ndish round talent?

I think they view the draft as having plenty of depth but not a lot of high end prospects.  Zierlein said his first round cut off line is above 6.4.  There are a lot of 6.3 players according to him.  This is his system:

19 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sure sign of the measure of a man.  What he did was absolutely pathetic; showed a complete lack of compassion or concern for another.  If he wasn't swigging his water I assume he'd have laughed.

Even his pretzel-throwing wife showed the requisite concern.  Being drunk is never an excuse.

This is America man, you can get sued for performing CPR and trying to save someones life. She had a spinal injury, if he picked her up without stabilizing her neck or anything he could open himself up to being liable. Is it a bad look, yeah, but he did the right thing and just removed himself from the situation.

 

 

We're #2!!!

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I am listening to his podcast with Lance Zierlein.  Zierlein said he only had 1st round grades on 23 prospects. Brugler seemed to agree with him on that take.

To me, the most interesting thing in that podcast is that he heard Dickerson is going to replace Kelce at C. So expect G prospects, not C prospects in the mid-rounds.

46 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Bet some PI lawyer talks her into suing Stafford despite the fact she backed off the stage.  They will also claim the venue is at fault for having a slanted stage and no railing.  California is a pure comparative negligence state.  That means even if she has considerable fault, she can collect for others’ faults. So you play on the heartstrings of the jury against those deep pockets and hope the jury decides, well they are probably insured so let’s throw some money her way.  CA has a Good Samaritan law but it has exceptions of acting responsibly.  There is no duty to render care.  He is away from her with elevation and probably drunk.  No condition to render aid in a responsible manner. Hate to say it but he made the right move as the stage was surrounded by others more able to render aid.

Well if the "stage" had no railing I could see her winning some cash. At the end of the day though my hopes are that she's okay

Fraud team fraud coach fraud parade.  Dodger mercenary squad of the nfl, the celeb fans didn’t even watch the game.

32 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Perhaps the insurance industry has made you cynical.  I don't think anyone faults him for not jumping after her but he showed a real lack of empathy by just turning and walking away.  She a sports photographer.  My guess is that she's not going to sue anyone that could give her business. 

In NC, she would have no claim because we are one of the few pure contributory negligence states left.  I hope she has health insurance and short-term disability.  It's possible she could carry her own WC coverage but that seems unlikely. I'm guessing even if she was hired to cover the event she's probably an independent contractor and not anyone's employee. Of course, that cuts both ways because she may very well be able to sue the entity that hired her for the fall to the extent she can prove they were negligent vs. a more limited workers' comp recovery. 

In Pa you can't put WC on yourself so if she's self employed she's screwed.

Top of my head , players I would take rd 1

hutchinson

thibodeau

hamilton

ekwonu

hill

stingley

neal

williams

gardner

wilson

burks

leal

bonitto

penning

walker

cross

Mafe

wyatt

Ojabo

corral

chenal

 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Cant believe you had time to watch 500+ attempts, break down the film for each one and determine where each ball was supposed to go and where it went. 

By the way, Theres about 5+ websites/scouts/analysts that say he's the best QB in this draft at reading defenses. 

At this point, You gotta assume Carson Strong banged your wife because your hate is unprecedented  

You need to grow up my man , you interact here like a teenage kid .

33 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sure sign of the measure of a man.  What he did was absolutely pathetic; showed a complete lack of compassion or concern for another.  If he wasn't swigging his water I assume he'd have laughed.

Even his pretzel-throwing wife showed the requisite concern.  Being drunk is never an excuse.

Yeah, his reaction was sucks to be her I don't give a crap. Tells us a lot about him even if he was drunk. 

55 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Jalen would have been down there to catch her. 

 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Just imagine if there were people there to break her fall.  

Stafford did walk away drinking his water with some Hurts level SWAG though.

43 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It'll be a good draft to add NFL ready players in the middle rounds - players who returned to school and are more physically mature - so you won't have to spend as much time developing them on the practice squad. OL are a good example, a lot are drafted in the middle rounds with the expectations it'll take a couple years to turn them into serviceable players. Good draft to build up roster depth.

So the depth will be later in the draft, probably including UDFAs (thin crop last season, guys who'd normally slide to UDFA status were going in the 6th and 7th rds).

Translation : Howie will blow it in the first round, but we will find some guys who would not start on other teams later on and pump them up as future HOF'ers.

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Over half of Strong’s  throws last year , we’re one read   Deep balls to a WO , he has a long way to go , mix in being a statue , with questionable knee , no thanks .

 

17 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Cant believe you had time to watch 500+ attempts, break down the film for each one and determine where each ball was supposed to go and where it went. 

By the way, Theres about 5+ websites/scouts/analysts that say he's the best QB in this draft at reading defenses. 

At this point, You gotta assume Carson Strong banged your wife because your hate is unprecedented  

 

Did you watch the 500+ attempts ??  If not, how can you say he is wrong.