5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Well...there have been historic RB classes that netted Donnell Pumphrey, historic WR classes that netted JJAW and Reagor, historic DLine classes that they ignored the position all together.

This just tells me that Howie will either trade all of the picks for an aging QB or trade up thinking there is a top notch prospect and miss.

Don't forget the historic WR class before that that netted Jordan Matthews and Josh Huff.

20 minutes ago, greend said:

He's ugly,  dumb looking, with a really bad haircut and a cowterds fan. What's the attraction?

Bald C***

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Why would anyone admit to have dated that guy?

It’s an odd couple, she’s emo, he’s sensitive with the man bun, but has the Chain like Rampage Jackson.

22 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Why would anyone admit to have dated that guy?

Honestly though he looks like a typical inbreed Dallas fan.

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Don't forget the historic WR class before that that netted Jordan Matthews and Josh Huff.

Weren’t those Chip Kelly picks? 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Weren’t those Chip Kelly picks? 

I believe the only draft that is considered Chip's is '15.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Weren’t those Chip Kelly picks? 

Sure.  Blame Chip for those.  Howie wasn't put in the corner until the Nelson Agholor failure draft... with Agholor, Rowe, etc.  

 

But, Howie always has someone around to put the blame on.  It's never Howie, it's always someone else's fault.

24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Don't forget the historic WR class before that that netted Jordan Matthews and Josh Huff.

And on a side note, Matthews seems like a good player before he was injured, no?

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.  Blame Chip for those.  Howie wasn't put in the corner until the Nelson Agholor failure draft... with Agholor, Rowe, etc.  

 

But, Howie always has someone around to put the blame on.  It's never Howie, it's always someone else's fault.

No, just pointing out that Howie was apparently "in the basement” during most of Chip Kelly’s tenure.  It’s been well reported that was the case. 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

And on a side note, Matthews seems like a good player before he was injured, no?

No.  He always struggled with drops, and could only play in the slot.  You don't draft a slot WR in Round 2.   They are widely available later in the draft.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

No, just pointing out that Howie was apparently "in the basement” during most of Chip Kelly’s tenure.  It’s been well reported that was the case. 

No.  He was only 'in the basement' in 2015, not before then.   

2 minutes ago, metal said:

I believe the only draft that is considered Chip's is '15.

Reportedly, Josh Huff was a 100% Chip Kelly pick. 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Reportedly, Josh Huff was a 100% Chip Kelly pick. 

Yup, he was a Chip pick, under Howie's supervision.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No.  He always struggled with drops, and could only play in the slot.  You don't draft a slot WR in Round 2.   They are widely available later in the draft.

No.  He was only 'in the basement' in 2015, not before then.  

Some revisionist history going on here but hey, if it fits your narrative, do what you need to do.  The entire team and the city, including Wentz was enamored by Matthews after his rookie year.  It wasn’t until after he was injured that his play seemed to decline. 

57 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Like we ever stopped 

Hey wait I got brutally lambasted for saying the blog was one huge circle jerk now y'all openly admit it???🤔😁

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Some revisionist history going on here but hey, if it fits your narrative, do what you need to do.  The entire team and the city, including Wentz was enamored by Matthews after his rookie year.  It wasn’t until after he was injured that his play seemed to decline. 

Not at all.  Chip tried to flex in that draft and Howie held him more in check.  Chip wanted Taylor Hart in the 3rd round, Howie made him wait until Round 5.  Howie ran the PC post-draft... and even Chip said that.  Chip got fed up with him, and made the power play and took over GM duties in 2015.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2014/5/9/5699578/nfl-draft-2014-howie-roseman-first-round-eagles-trade

Howie... 2014 draft...

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/sports/nfl/eagles/2021/04/23/ranking-howie-rosemans-top-10-draft-busts-reagor-arcega-whiteside-watkins-eagles-general-manager/7333807002/

From 2010-12, former coach Andy Reid had final say over personnel decisions. In 2015, Roseman was banished to the financial side of the organization while former coach Chip Kelly was given final say over football decisions.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not at all.  Chip tried to flex in that draft and Howie held him more in check.  Chip wanted Taylor Hart in the 3rd round, Howie made him wait until Round 5.  Howie ran the PC post-draft... and even Chip said that.  Chip got fed up with him, and made the power play and took over GM duties in 2015.

So then you’re crediting the Algohor pick to Kelly.  And you’re saying the Matthews pick was a "combination”? 
 
 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

So then you’re crediting the Algohor pick to Kelly.  And you’re saying the Matthews pick was a "combination”? 

I'm not... the facts and the timeline said it.

9 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Some revisionist history going on here but hey, if it fits your narrative, do what you need to do.  The entire team and the city, including Wentz was enamored by Matthews after his rookie year.  It wasn’t until after he was injured that his play seemed to decline. 

Talk about revisionist history. Wentz only played with him one year, his final year as an Eagle, besides those random few games later in his career. And what injury are you talking about? He played 16, 16, 14 games. 

If you don't think they drafted Josh Huff because Chip Kelly wanted him....

1 minute ago, RLC said:

If you don't think they drafted Josh Huff because Chip Kelly wanted him....

No one said otherwise, but it was still Howie at the wheel.  Chip resented that, and then he made the power play before the 2015 offseason.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

 

I had to go back and look at what I originally said and I think I found it but I say a lot of things so who knows. I can't see where I changed what I said.    Gannon may or may not go.  I have not been impressed.  It's possible the grass is always greener and the talent gap is wide but even so I think he did not do a great job.

As to blaming the players, the defense isn't talented.    One reason, I think the team should keep Hurts is simply because it makes it more likely they use the 3 firsts on defense.  I am against trading away more than one first for future firsts because it limits the ability to add talent.  They have needs that should have been addressed up and down the defense.  They don't have a young rising player.  Sweat, who was supposed to have a break out year was OK but not great.  Barnett is an utter disappointment.  I think Maddox is a competent nickel back but nothing special.  McPhearson hasn't impressed and I think he has made mistakes any time he has been in the game.  He also looks a step slow.  

I’m not saying they shouldn’t move forward with hurts next year so they can use those picks on defense. My thing has always been I think they’re going to be aggressive in trying to get one of those quarterbacks with those picks. I think those picks were accumulated in case Jalen hurts wasn’t the guy and they could have an alternative to go out and try to get the franchise quarterback they want.

I frankly don’t think they’re gonna be able to acquire that quarterback this year but I would bet anything they’re going to be aggressive with who’s available. this whole posturing they did today doesn’t mean anything to me. They said Doug pederson was gonna be back as a coach and then a week later he was fired. Heck they said last year in a press conference they were going to do a rebuild before the 2020 season and then Covid hit and they flipped on that idea. So what they say today might not be what they say tomorrow or what they are doing today might change tomorrow  

The problem with a Defense  should’ve been something they were working on since the end of 2018. The reason why I say that is because I went into like a 10 paragraph thing at that point after the season ended against the saints. A big point i made was the safety position cause jenkins was old and expensive and mcleod coming off an acl was going to be more expense.  The thing that irritates me the most with the Eagles was the press conference when they said well we were going to do a rebuild in the 2020 off-season but then we realize there were three new coaches in the division and it was Covid so we just scrapped it. That was the dumbest thing they could’ve said. I don’t care if Covid or three new coaches were in the division. If you truly believed you needed to do a rebuild at the end of the 2019 season (which they did) then you do the Fing rebuild then and don’t kick it down the road for another year. 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Talk about revisionist history. Wentz only played with him one year, his final year as an Eagle. And what injury are you talking about? He played 16, 16, 14 games. 

It's been well documented. His injury came during the pre-season/off seasons after his rookie year.  He was never the same player again.  AND he basically blamed Eagles' team doctors of misdiagnosing his injuries.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2763063-jordan-matthews-really-bad-diagnoses-by-eagles-doctors-caused-injuries

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

If you don't think they drafted Josh Huff because Chip Kelly wanted him....

Literally no one said this. Chip Kelly wanted him, Howie had to sign off on it. The decision falls on Howie. He deserves blame.

Just like Stoutland was on the table for Mailata. Howie had to sign off on it. The decision falls on Howie. People are giving him credit for it. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Literally no one said this. Chip Kelly wanted him, Howie had to sign off on it. The decision falls on Howie. He deserves blame.

Just like Stoutland was on the table for Mailata. Howie had to sign off on it. The decision falls on Howie. People are giving him credit for it. 

Clift notes version.

Good pick, Howie Roseman

Bad pick, anyone but Howie Roseman