1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Last three starts - 66.7%, 3-1, 8.75 YPA  101.3 rating.

He sucked in the playoffs, a lot of QBs sucked in their first playoff game. Eagles were totally outmatched against TB.

This offseason is about adding a lot of young talent, team could regress next year, or what's more likely, struggle out of the gate then get hot as the young player step up.

Yet Mahommes didn’t his first full year of playing.  Burrow didn’t such in his first playoff game.  Tampa really exposed Hurts’ weaknesses as did his ankle injury.  I am glad you haven’t lost your optimism about him.  Glass may be half full but rising?  

 

The obsession with Hurts is amusing.

If this team had an average defense, they would have gone 10-7 or better with Hurts at QB.

Not good, just average, able to get some stops in the second half against decent QBs.

Is it a run heavy offense? Sure, what a concept, build around your strengths, the OL and the best running QB in the NFL.

Can they do better? At some point. But bring in a conventional pocket QB and teams will have more success against the run, so that QB will be in more 3rd and long situations . . .

Don't assume a better passer would necessarily be a better QB - since the object is to win games, not accumulate passing counting stats. A clear upgrade over Hurts as a QB (not just a passer) will require a top ten caliber QB. Ask Indy if a strong arm is enough.

Both PFF and FO take into account situations, and PFF includes running, so when they rate Hurts 11th and 17th between them, upgrading isn't a simple matter as just getting a better passer.

 

There is no QB in this draft I'd take over Hurts, all have flaws, all will need years if ever to become top 20 QBs. None have top 10 potential.

My prediction is the Eagles go 10-7 and win a playoff game next year, which would be pretty good in the 2nd year of a rebuild.

This draft is going to add a lot of talent, not just the top 4 picks, but having a 4th and 3 5ths (before they trade Dillard) in a deep draft allows you to add a starter and a top reserve later in the draft.  And they have enough cap room to add a couple solid starters.

What this team needs is speed in the back 7, a power back, possession WR and a H-back. Though I'd like to see Stoll used more than just a blocker.

With a true power back paired with Sanders, Eagles will rarely be in 2nd and long, so play action will be available on a regular basis. With a possession WR, Hurts will have a more reliable target underneath, same if Stoll can become a zone buster.  Add some OL depth for Stoutland to mold.

Stoll is my 2022 surprise, he was a top blocker at TE as a rookie, but he's not a big stiff, ran 4.68 at 247 lbs (probably more like 4.8 at 260 if that's his current weight), 6.93 cone. Wasn't a great route runner or explosive player in college but had sure hands. The kind of TE that defenses tend to ignore in a two TE formation, but with good coaching can become that reliable underneath target like Celek and Lewis.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

I care much more about #2 than #1.  #1 is just a bonus.

Started watching the Hard Knocks in season with the Colts.  Got to say as much as people get on Sirianni for the weird stuff he says, Reich says some cringy, kinda corny stuff as well.  Wonder if that's where he got it from.

If I see one more mock draft/FA piece that mentions players as being a fit for "Sirianni's run heavy scheme" I'm gonna vomit. Just saw one suggesting Juju because of his blocking skills helping the run game. 

Fully understand that Hurts is likely the guy this year but building a roster around his current skill set would be a massive mistake. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Last three starts - 66.7%, 3-1, 8.75 YPA  101.3 rating.

He sucked in the playoffs, a lot of QBs sucked in their first playoff game. Eagles were totally outmatched against TB.

This offseason is about adding a lot of young talent, team could regress next year, or what's more likely, struggle out of the gate then get hot as the young player step up.

Context:  Washingteam, Giants, Washingteam.   Should we include the start before that that he lost to the Giants?  (14-31, 129 yards, 0 TDs, and 3 INTs)

I'd say Hurts was pretty outmatched by the Giants in that game, too.

18 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Yet Mahommes didn’t his first full year of playing.  Burrow didn’t such in his first playoff game.  Tampa really exposed Hurts’ weaknesses as did his ankle injury.  I am glad you haven’t lost your optimism about him.  Glass may be half full but rising?  

Hurts doesn't need a lot of improvement to be a "winning QB." His legs are a huge asset, just has to become more consistent from the pocket, make quicker decisions, refine his mechanics, etc. I don't see a franchise QB in his future, but realistically, how many QBs play a decade for a team like McNabb did for us. Before and after we cycled through a lot of QBs. But for 3-5 years, a Hurts who improves as a passer and has his legs, could win a lot of games.

Mahomes was an instant success because he took over a great team, it's not like they weren't winning games with Smith, 11-5, 12-4, 10-6 before Mahomes took over.

Watson scored all of 7 points in his first PO game. Jones played just as bad for NE as Hurts did for us, and he was #15 in last year's draft. I can find numerous other QBs who struggled in the playoffs at the start of their careers.

Most QBs don't arrive until their 4-5th season as a starter, Eli took 6 years (slow learner), the quick arrivals tend to be the top guys. The guys without uber talent need game experience for the game to slow down and let them compensate for middle of the road skills.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The obsession with Hurts is amusing.

If this team had an average defense, they would have gone 10-7 or better with Hurts at QB.

So without a terrible defense we only win 1 extra game? Wouldn't that mean the quarterback isn't very good?

Not good, just average, able to get some stops in the second half against decent QBs.

Is it a run heavy offense? Sure, what a concept, build around your strengths, the OL and the best running QB in the NFL.

Gotta be able to throw in the big games, as the playoffs once again showed.

Can they do better? At some point. But bring in a conventional pocket QB and teams will have more success against the run, so that QB will be in more 3rd and long situations . . .

Where is the proof of this? We had a statue during our SB run with Foles. Didn't seem to prevent us from running the ball extremely well. As a matter of fact, wouldn't a more accurate QB also help prevent 3rd and long situations?

Don't assume a better passer would necessarily be a better QB - since the object is to win games, not accumulate passing counting stats. A clear upgrade over Hurts as a QB (not just a passer) will require a top ten caliber QB. Ask Indy if a strong arm is enough.

So you're saying that only a top ten QB is better than Hurts? So you think he's the 11th best QB in football?

Both PFF and FO take into account situations, and PFF includes running, so when they rate Hurts 11th and 17th between them, upgrading isn't a simple matter as just getting a better passer.

Unsurprisingly you ignored it, but if Hurts was as good as you're saying, why was Minshew on a worse team more successful at scoring, accumulating game winning drives and putting up yards? He's only worth a six, so the fact that they're even comparable doesn't speak well or Hurts being a top 11 QB.

There is no QB in this draft I'd take over Hurts, all have flaws, all will need years if ever to become top 20 QBs. None have top 10 potential. 

Hurts has flaws. Now at the end of year two, he is still showing those flaws. As for the others, a) you don't know that and b) neither does Hurts.

My prediction is the Eagles go 10-7 and win a playoff game next year, which would be pretty good in the 2nd year of a rebuild.

This draft is going to add a lot of talent, not just the top 4 picks, but having a 4th and 3 5ths (before they trade Dillard) in a deep draft allows you to add a starter and a top reserve later in the draft.  And they have enough cap room to add a couple solid starters.

What this team needs is speed in the back 7, a power back, possession WR and a H-back. Though I'd like to see Stoll used more than just a blocker.

With a true power back paired with Sanders, Eagles will rarely be in 2nd and long, so play action will be available on a regular basis. With a possession WR, Hurts will have a more reliable target underneath, same if Stoll can become a zone buster.  Add some OL depth for Stoutland to mold.

Stoll is my 2022 surprise, he was a top blocker at TE as a rookie, but he's not a big stiff, ran 4.68 at 247 lbs (probably more like 4.8 at 260 if that's his current weight), 6.93 cone. Wasn't a great route runner or explosive player in college but had sure hands. The kind of TE that defenses tend to ignore in a two TE formation, but with good coaching can become that reliable underneath target like Celek and Lewis.

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FRAGILE 

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The obsession with Hurts is amusing.

If this team had an average defense, they would have gone 10-7 or better with Hurts at QB.

Not good, just average, able to get some stops in the second half against decent QBs.

Is it a run heavy offense? Sure, what a concept, build around your strengths, the OL and the best running QB in the NFL.

He's not the best running QB in the NFL.    That's still Lamar Jackson.

BTW, they weren't building around their strengths in that case, they were hiding their biggest weakness.

11 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

 

If Wentz cannot handle pressure and fan expectations, he would never survive a playoff.  Seriously, after playing at NDSU, one would think he was used to expectations. 

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

If I see one more mock draft/FA piece that mentions players as being a fit for "Sirianni's run heavy scheme" I'm gonna vomit. Just saw one suggesting Juju because of his blocking skills helping the run game. 

Fully understand that Hurts is likely the guy this year but building a roster around his current skill set would be a massive mistake. 

Building around the run is more a reflection of Stoutland, with his ability to put together top OLs, having good runners gives you a big edge in a league where defenses are being built to stop the passing game. But that doesn't mean you want the NFL version of 80s Nebraska, rather, run blocking skills might weigh more on the margin when drafting TEs and WRs.

But we're talking say 50/50 run pass v most teams 40/60, you're still going to pass half the time, but play action becomes a bigger part of your passing game.

13 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

 

Man... he turned in to a total Ben Simmons.

Just now, BigEFly said:

If Wentz cannot handle pressure and fan expectations, he would never survive a playoff.  Seriously, after playing at NDSU, one would think he was used to expectations. 

HE'S FRAGILE

 

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Can they do better? At some point. But bring in a conventional pocket QB and teams will have more success against the run, so that QB will be in more 3rd and long situations . . .

Why did the Eagles RB’s have their second highest yardage total against the Jets ??  It was just the lowly pocket passer Minshew at QB that day.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hurts doesn't need a lot of improvement to be a "winning QB." His legs are a huge asset, just has to become more consistent from the pocket, make quicker decisions, refine his mechanics, etc. I don't see a franchise QB in his future, but realistically, how many QBs play a decade for a team like McNabb did for us. Before and after we cycled through a lot of QBs. But for 3-5 years, a Hurts who improves as a passer and has his legs, could win a lot of games.

Will be a waste of 3-5 years.   Likely they will be wasted anyway if they try to find a better QB, but just know that settling for Hurts will result in never having a legitimate chance at the ultimate prize.   But, sure, they could win games and make the playoffs like the Eagles did in 1995 and 1996 with Rodney Peete and Ty Detmer.  (Incidentally, I'd take either over Hurts...)

Just now, downundermike said:

Why did the Eagles RB’s have their second highest yardage total against the Jets ??  It was just the lowly pocket passer Minshew at QB that day.

Strange, we also ran 164 yards at 6.1 yards a clip in the SB with a literal statue in the pocket.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

If Wentz cannot handle pressure and fan expectations, he would never survive a playoff.  Seriously, after playing at NDSU, one would think he was used to expectations. 

Source tells me, this is just a rumor so that this guy has something to say on this topic.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Strange, we also ran 164 yards at 6.1 yards a clip in the SB with a literal statue in the pocket.

The NFL’s leading rusher had that bum Wentz at QB, and a revolving door of offensive line combos.

19 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

 

Sounds like a BS report to me. 

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

If Wentz cannot handle pressure and fan expectations, he would never survive a playoff.  Seriously, after playing at NDSU, one would think he was used to expectations. 

The people in North Dakota are probably not raging lunatics like some NFL fans can be.

If these reports are true it makes me doubt that we win the SB if he stayed healthy.  

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He's not the best running QB in the NFL.    That's still Lamar Jackson.

BTW, they weren't building around their strengths in that case, they were hiding their biggest weakness.

I’d argue Murray is a better runner too. Allen is debatable. I can see people saying Hurts is the better runner but I would prefer to have an Allen like runner at QB. 

Wentz is what he is at this point , average at best QB , who will be a backup soon .

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sounds like a BS report to me. 

Very. If the colts are really moving on one year after sending a first and a third, they do not give a f if he’s weary or not.