3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Howie still ran the draft.  Chip lobbied... Howie selected.    No one said it wasn't influenced by Chip, just that Howie was still the one with the final say.  Which is why they didn't draft Taylor Hart in Round 3 that year.  

Chip deserves his blame... as does Howie.

And yes, the year after that is when Chip took over.  That's documented.   

There was still a " football guy" to influence Howie's scoring department while Chip was here.  Chips handpicked man, Donahue. 

Just like when Douglas was brought in after that. 

We haven't seen Howie without a high profile "football guy" lurking over his shoulder until this past draft.  Which has looked excellent. 

Howie always had someone to blame.  Through no fault of his own.  That's on Lurie for not realizing Howie can do it better himself.  Now,  we have seen it. 

Why was Matthews even brought up? He hasn't been an Eagle in years

23 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He was never a great player.  He was always a slot only WR.  It's also well documented.   It's also well documented that they passed on Davonte Adams and Allen Robinson to take him... actually, to trade UP to get him.

IIRC there was a chance we could have got Robinson as a FA. It may have been when we brought back Jackson

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

There was still a " football guy" to influence Howie's scoring department while Chip was here.  Chips handpicked man, Donahue. 

Just like when Douglas was brought in after that. 

We haven't seen Howie without a high profile "football guy" lurking over his shoulder until this past draft.  Which has looked excellent. 

Tom Gamble, actually.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Why was Matthews even brought up? He hasn't been an Eagle in years

I dared to mention the draft that we took Matthews and Huff in a historically deep WR draft as a draft day failure.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Tom Gamble, actually.

That rings a bell. Is Donahue the idiot that is here now and didn't like the Milton Williams pick?

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

That rings a bell. Is Donahue the idiot that is here now and didn't like the Milton Williams pick?

Yes.   

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed.  But then, you eliminate the credit for Howie's best draft ever... 2013 - Lane Johnson and Zach Ertz.  

 

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'll credit Chip for both Johnson and Ertz.  Probably the two best players to come out of that "era".   But if you want to credit Howie and Chip, that's ok too. 

That draft needs context, no one predicted Joeckel was gonna be a bust, Jordan only had one or two years playing as an edge rusher, he had just switched from being a TE, and never should of been considered a top 10 pick. 
 Eric Fischer wasn’t a bust, but he didn’t have the career that was predicted for him, no matter who gets credit for drafting Lane, also got pretty lucky.  

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Tom Gamble, actually.

I dared to mention the draft that we took Matthews and Huff in a historically deep WR draft as a draft day failure.

Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if the Smith pick wasn't even his

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

And yes, the year after that is when Chip took over.  That's documented.   

 

Obviously it was ALL Chip Kelly in 2015...since you know, he tried to trade away Fletcher Cox, a myriad of current and future 1st/2nd round picks to get Mariota.  And apparently it was because other teams said "No".   

But to think that Chip Kelly didn't have anything to do with the 2014 draft, when no one even had Josh Huff on their radar (unless you were a Ducks fan) is laughable.  

 

 

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  He's better than JJAW.  

Air bud is better than JJAW-ful. I actually think snowflake from ace Ventura is  better than reagor and JJAW  

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

That rings a bell. Is Donahue the idiot that is here now and didn't like the Milton Williams pick?

Yup.
Andy Weidl is supposed to be that "football guy" but I don't think they utilize his opinion as much as they should. Him and his scouts had Jefferson ahead of Reagor but Howie jumped the shark for Reagor. Apparently they did the same with Hurts when they had Jeremy Chinn lined up. 

I have never agreed with a tweet more. Jalen Reagor is definitely not the third-best WR on the team.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Obviously it was ALL Chip Kelly in 2015...since you know, he tried to trade away Fletcher Cox, a myriad of current and future 1st/2nd round picks to get Mariota.  And apparently it was because other teams said "No".   

But to think that Chip Kelly didn't have anything to do with the 2014 draft, when no one even had Josh Huff on their radar (unless you were a Ducks fan) is laughable.  

It is not just laughable, but it's a very tall straw man.  I never said that.  Never implied it, never even thought it.  But he didn't run that draft... he influenced it, but Howie was still the one pulling the trigger... which once again... is why the Eagles didn't draft Taylor Hart in Round 3, but waited until Round 5.

 

And Josh Huff was on the radar of the NFL, so I don't know what your point there is.  He was over drafted by the Eagles... but he was absolutely on the radar of the NFL teams. 

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

There was still a " football guy" to influence Howie's scoring department while Chip was here.  Chips handpicked man, Donahue. 

Just like when Douglas was brought in after that. 

We haven't seen Howie without a high profile "football guy" lurking over his shoulder until this past draft.  Which has looked excellent. 

Howie always had someone to blame.  Through no fault of his own.  That's on Lurie for not realizing Howie can do it better himself.  Now,  we have seen it. 

This.  100%. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  He's better than JJAW.  

Look if you go back even further you can see all of the WRs we passed over in the Reid era.  Like Na Brown over Donald Driver in 99.  Pinkston over Laveranues Coles or Jerry Porter in 200.  How about 2001 with F-Mitch over those bums Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith Sr, or even Chris Chambers. McMullen over Brandon Lloyd in 03.    

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Tom Gamble, actually.

I dared to mention the draft that we took Matthews and Huff in a historically deep WR draft as a draft day failure.

I thought it was Andy Weidl. 

11 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Obviously it was ALL Chip Kelly in 2015...since you know, he tried to trade away Fletcher Cox, a myriad of current and future 1st/2nd round picks to get Mariota.  And apparently it was because other teams said "No".   

But to think that Chip Kelly didn't have anything to do with the 2014 draft, when no one even had Josh Huff on their radar (unless you were a Ducks fan) is laughable.  

 

Some had him ranked as high as a late 3rd round pick.

Just now, NCiggles said:

Look if you go back even further you can see all of the WRs we passed over in the Reid era.  Like Na Brown over Donald Driver in 99.  Pinkston over Laveranues Coles or Jerry Porter in 200.  How about 2001 with F-Mitch over those bums Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith Sr, or even Chris Chambers. McMullen over Brandon Lloyd in 03.    

Yup.   Eagles have a HORRIBLE history of picking the wrong WRs in the draft.  I agree.   There's even some reports that if it had been up to the Eagles, they wouldn't have selected Mike Quick either.   But, the guy they reportedly wanted, Perry Tuttle, went 1 pick before them.  

 

That was my point.  The Eagles suck at drafting WRs.  And they have... and in historically deep drafts at specific positions, they pick the wrong players.     It wasn't a knock on Howie... but could be... but just a fact.  This team sucks at drafting WRs.  And Matthews/Huff in 2014 was another example of that, in an historically deep WR draft.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

And Josh Huff was on the radar of the NFL, so I don't know what your point there is.  He was over drafted by the Eagles... but he was absolutely on the radar of the NFL teams. 

Maybe as a punt returner who could eventually compete for a starting role.   

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josh-huff/32004855-4619-4666-462e-733a8d72faa0

 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Some had him ranked as high as a late 3rd round pick.

5th-6th round.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josh-huff/32004855-4619-4666-462e-733a8d72faa0

 

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

5th-6th round.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josh-huff/32004855-4619-4666-462e-733a8d72faa0

 

That is one site.

7 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Yup.
Andy Weidl is supposed to be that "football guy" but I don't think they utilize his opinion as much as they should. Him and his scouts had Jefferson ahead of Reagor but Howie jumped the shark for Reagor. Apparently they did the same with Hurts when they had Jeremy Chinn lined up. 

To me Weidl is different in that he pretty much a home grown guy.  Howie has a certain understood authority or at least some confidence in seniority over a guy who's been around on his staff and worked his way up. 

That's different that bringing in a high profile big resume football guy from the outside giving him a title that sounds like he could be GM without calling him GM. Hiring them for the purpose of their draft processes.  That's literally asking a guy to look over Howie's shoulder. 

And at least with Douglas, it went a step further than that.  We know they adopted his scouting grading system.  So basically,  he set the draft board as players were graded according to his criteria.  That's not just looking over a shoulder.  That's handcuffing Howie and saying,  these are the specific players I will allow you to choose from. 

 

Howie is way better doing it himself without taking orders from stupid football guys.

8 minutes ago, metal said:

I have never agreed with a tweet more. Jalen Reagor is definitely not the third-best WR on the team.

It's not really news.  Watkins was getting more snaps the last half of the season.  

Howie and Nick came out and told the media exactly what they needed to tell the media.  You have to say Jalen Hurts is your starting QB for 2022 until you have someone to take his place.  To say anything else would be like pushing your piece of crap car off of a cliff, and then finding out you don't qualify for a car loan.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

That is one site.

Show me a site that had him ranked as a 3rd round pick BEFORE the draft.  I'll wait. 

18 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

That rings a bell. Is Donahue the idiot that is here now and didn't like the Milton Williams pick?

It was more about Detroit taking Alim McNeil since the Eagles traded back a few picks, as Donahue believed Gannon wanted/needed more of 3 technique vs Milton. 

13 minutes ago, metal said:

I have never agreed with a tweet more. Jalen Reagor is definitely not the third-best WR on the team.

I like Watkins but I don’t think he’s a number two wide receiver either (guessing the tweet meant he was 2). I think his best role is suited to be the third wide receiver. The Eagles need a secondary wide receiver to Smith.  Unfortunately that should be Jalen Reagor or Jjaw but both of them suck.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It's not really news.  Watkins was getting more snaps the last half of the season.  

Howie and Nick came out and told the media exactly what they needed to tell the media.  You have to say Jalen Hurts is your starting QB for 2022 until you have someone to take his place.  To say anything else would be like pushing your piece of crap car off of a cliff, and then finding out you don't qualify for a car loan.

 

But yet they didn't commit to him at all last offseason and training camp even when they were given many opportunities to when questioned.  

 

Everyone in this blog in denial.