If we want to spin both safeties we're better off having 2 "good" safeties than one great one and one bad one. Basically, we'd have to draft multiple safeties for this to work. 

32 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I was watching video of the WR in the first round talk yesterday, and I come away ranking them:

Jameson Williams — speed is reminiscent of D-Jax in the draft.  Won’t be all the way back until 2023, though

Treylon Burks — great mix of size and speed, although not as fluid as I’d hoped

Chris Olave — good all-around WR but not special in any way

Garrett Wilson — definitely below the top 3; not as fast, and his routes don’t look crisp

Drake London — wouldn’t even want him in the 3rd round.  Mr. OPI

There were people who convinced themselves that Ruggs wasnt just a speed guy. He showed some other skills in college that didnt follow him to the NFL. He was just a speed guy after all. Now, people have convinced themselves Williams is not just a speed guy and moved him all the way up to WR1, like they did with Ruggs. Just because for a few games after Metchie got injured, you saw Williams do a few more things. Im not convinced he isnt still just a speed guy. Its crazy to me that about 100% of rankings have him as WR1.

Burks is the best gamble due to his h/w/s combo. 

Pickens is probably better than all of them. Maybe, except for Burks.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

If we want to spin both safeties we're better off having 2 "good" safeties than one great one and one bad one. Basically, we'd have to draft multiple safeties for this to work. 

we have to anyway. Or sign one and draft one.

26 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Where else matters?

No where. That's the point.

11 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Week 12 vs the NYG who finished 4-13 and this game was their last W. 

Hurts stat line:

14 for 31, 45.2% comp

129 yards, 4.2 YPA

0 TDs, 3 INTs

17.1 QBR, 17.5 rating

But hey, he ran the ball 8 times for 77, 9.6 YPC so it's all good, right?

Hmmm, if my math is correct that's more than 1 game that he sucked hard and this time it was vs a shite team and not a good team. 

FFS, the lengths some of you go to to defend him for some reason is utterly baffling.

 

It's so funny the way they twist the argument however they need to in order to defend mediocrity. Minshew looking good against the Jets equates to "well, it's the Jets", yet people will bring up how amazing Hurts played in his last three starts. Terrible teams don't matter, then. 

I will say it until I can no longer: I have never seen mediocrity defended more on this team than with Hurts.

12 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Week 12 vs the NYG who finished 4-13 and this game was their last W. 

Hurts stat line:

14 for 31, 45.2% comp

129 yards, 4.2 YPA

0 TDs, 3 INTs

17.1 QBR, 17.5 rating

But hey, he ran the ball 8 times for 77, 9.6 YPC so it's all good, right?

Hmmm, if my math is correct that's more than 1 game that he sucked hard and this time it was vs a shite team and not a good team. 

FFS, the lengths some of you go to to defend him for some reason is utterly baffling.

 

That game finished off a 7-week stretch of games where Hurts cumulatively was a 55% passer, with 5 TD and 6 INT.  

1 hour ago, Thrive said:

It was one game (albeit a bad one) against a more talented team. It happens to every good QB every year.

Happened to Hurts pretty much any time they played a decent defense, especially when they asked him to pass.  So, the second half of the season, they took the ball out of his hands more, and they played worse teams.  

 

Good QBs every year, manage to find a way to lead their team to a win at least ONE game against a playoff caliber team... just ONE.  In fact, a lot of bad QBs manage that as well.  Which playoff caliber team did Hurts do that with this past year?    

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

maybe. but you have to make sure you dont end up with a SS type who occasionally held up in coverage. Im afraid thats what someone like Cine, and Cook are. 

Right. That’s why I’m not even bothering looking at guys who didn’t play in single high. I can’t say if Cook is good at it, but at least he played it in college, and he can come down into the box if needed. 

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The positions where there is depth in this draft sets up well for us.

It does... but then we have Howie running things and in a two separate deep WR drafts, he whiffed multiple times.  In a deep RB draft, he came away with Donnel Pumphrey, with a trade up.  And in a deep OL draft, he punted on the entire class and just brought in UDFAs.   Let's hope he learned a lesson... or gets caught in the john with a bout of diarrhea and someone else runs things.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Not sure that was the plan.  Both Zimmer and Eberflus moved from two high safeties to one.  I still believe the ideal D is probably a modified Cover 1.  But to run it well, there have to be interchangeable Ss and LBs that can cover.  I believe Eagles need LBs that can cover.  I hope that Howie reevaluates LBs value.   He also needs edge rushers that can play the run but also tighten the pocket and get to the QB.

I suspect we will always see some modifications under Nick that tailor to players’ strengths but that we will get a bit more of a taste as to the preferences this year, especially on D.

Agree with the type of personnel we need yet don't seem to have at the moment.  The game has changed and we need players to fit the way we need to play it now.  Hopefully Howie has come to this realization.  I'd also add that having DTs who can also pass rush is another need.  This is why I don't care for Jordan Davis as all his scouting reports say he offers little as a pass rusher.  Unless they're going to go full 3-4 and have him be the NT because he's not what we need in 4-3. 

We have a lot of positional needs and it's going to take a few drafts to fill them so I hope we just go BPA and don't overreach.  Caesar had someone follow him around and tell him "Remember, thou art mortal".  I think Howie needs a guy like that to tell him "Remember, thou art not thy smartest man in the room".

 

2 hours ago, greend said:

 there was no "group think" in here then. There was just as much criticism of him as there was defenders. In fact the fact that almost everyone in the blog agrees that Hurts isn't the man is damning to him. The people that cry about "group think" aren't man enough to stand up for what they think to be true and have to sulk about "group think".

🙄

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

There were people who convinced themselves that Ruggs wasnt just a speed guy. He showed some other skills in college that didnt follow him to the NFL. He was just a speed guy after all. Now, people have convinced themselves Williams is not just a speed guy and moved him all the way up to WR1, like they did with Ruggs. Just because for a few games after Metchie got injured, you saw Williams do a few more things. Im not convinced he isnt still just a speed guy. Its crazy to me that about 100% of rankings have him as WR1.

Burks is the best gamble due to his h/w/s combo. 

Pickens is probably better than all of them. Maybe, except for Burks.

 

I was never that high on Ruggs, he was a late first-round prospect IMO who the Raiders (of course) became seduced by his straight-line speed.  I see a lot more of Jameson Williams outrunning tackling angles than I saw with Ruggs.  TBF, I wouldn’t draft Williams before #16 even if he was fully healthy, but he is the most dynamic WR in this draft class.  Part of the reason I think the value in this draft is going defense in the first two rounds, then drafting a taller WR in Round 3 like Ross, Ezukanma, Doubs, Pierce, etc.  

Who knows, maybe because he missed almost all of this past season Pickens might get to Round 3.  Also Metchie is a good choice in that range 

 

15 minutes ago, RLC said:

If we want to spin both safeties we're better off having 2 "good" safeties than one great one and one bad one. Basically, we'd have to draft multiple safeties for this to work. 

I bet Epps ends up starting in 2022, or at least early in the season. 

Ideally we sign a a FA (probably not Williams, more like Reid or Woods), and draft a prospect in the top two rounds who eventually forced his way into the lineup.  

28 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Week 12 vs the NYG who finished 4-13 and this game was their last W. 

Hurts stat line:

14 for 31, 45.2% comp

129 yards, 4.2 YPA

0 TDs, 3 INTs

17.1 QBR, 17.5 rating

But hey, he ran the ball 8 times for 77, 9.6 YPC so it's all good, right?

Hmmm, if my math is correct that's more than 1 game that he sucked hard and this time it was vs a shite team and not a good team. 

FFS, the lengths some of you go to to defend him for some reason is utterly baffling.

 

 

Ahh the game where Reagor had two drops on two would be game winning TD passes at the end of the game. 

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think the teams silence is telling. Irsay has no problem popping off outside his private jet or at 1:30 in the morning on twitter. If Wentz was for sure coming back I think someone on the Colts would squash all the talk and support him publicly. 

Thankfully all the Vaccination talk happened after the trade was agreed too because I don’t believe Irsay allows the trade if he knows Wentz wasn’t getting one.  That led to week 16 against the Raiders and Carson couldn’t practice all week until Saturday, the day before the game. 
 Irsay’s favorite story he likes to tell on his plane, lol, 

As the story goes, a man caught in a flood continuously refuses help from others, insisting that God will save him. Then, after the man drowns and goes to heaven, the man asks why God didn’t save him. God explains that He tried, in the form of the multiple offers of help from others.

Mike Florio PFT. 

2 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

Thankfully all the Vaccination talk happened after the trade was agreed too because I don’t believe Irsay allows the trade if he knows Wentz wasn’t getting one.  That led to week 16 against the Raiders and Carson couldn’t practice all week until Saturday, the day before the game. 
 Irsay’s favorite story he likes to tell on his plane, lol, 

As the story goes, a man caught in a flood continuously refuses help from others, insisting that God will save him. Then, after the man drowns and goes to heaven, the man asks why God didn’t save him. God explains that He tried, in the form of the multiple offers of help from others.

Mike Florio PFT. 

Mike Florio is your spiritual advisor too?

43 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Week 12 vs the NYG who finished 4-13 and this game was their last W. 

Hurts stat line:

14 for 31, 45.2% comp

129 yards, 4.2 YPA

0 TDs, 3 INTs

17.1 QBR, 17.5 rating

But hey, he ran the ball 8 times for 77, 9.6 YPC so it's all good, right?

Hmmm, if my math is correct that's more than 1 game that he sucked hard and this time it was vs a shite team and not a good team. 

FFS, the lengths some of you go to to defend him for some reason is utterly baffling.

 

 

29 minutes ago, Swoop said:

It's so funny the way they twist the argument however they need to in order to defend mediocrity. Minshew looking good against the Jets equates to "well, it's the Jets", yet people will bring up how amazing Hurts played in his last three starts. Terrible teams don't matter, then. 

I will say it until I can no longer: I have never seen mediocrity defended more on this team than with Hurts.

@austinfan just gave me a "It was the Jets silly" reply to one of my posts, while saying that Hurts played well in his last 3 regular season games.

It really is ridiculous the lengths they go to defending Hurts mediocre at best play.

 

Something’s happening. Wilson went from 40-1 to 20-1 to 5-1 in two days.

43 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Agree with the type of personnel we need yet don't seem to have at the moment.  The game has changed and we need players to fit the way we need to play it now.  Hopefully Howie has come to this realization.  I'd also add that having DTs who can also pass rush is another need.  This is why I don't care for Jordan Davis as all his scouting reports say he offers little as a pass rusher.  Unless they're going to go full 3-4 and have him be the NT because he's not what we need in 4-3. 

We have a lot of positional needs and it's going to take a few drafts to fill them so I hope we just go BPA and don't overreach.  Caesar had someone follow him around and tell him "Remember, thou art mortal".  I think Howie needs a guy like that to tell him "Remember, thou art not thy smartest man in the room".

 

A month or two ago I posted about the so-called 4i alignment and pointed out that we play it a lot. He would be perfect for the zero-tech.

36 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Ahh the game where Reagor had two drops on two would be game winning TD passes at the end of the game. 

I can't stop.....

Yes, Reagor isn't good. 

Three INTs, less than 50% pass completion,  less than 130 yards passing but sure, it's all Reagor's fault.

So, RTK synopsis:

Reagor = not good

Hurts = good.

Personally I take Wyatt over Davis  , and in rd 1 

I have no idea where Jordan Davis is drafted. Guys who move like him go top 10...but he's playing 20-30 snaps per game. It's a tough evaluation. 

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

It's so funny the way they twist the argument however they need to in order to defend mediocrity. Minshew looking good against the Jets equates to "well, it's the Jets", yet people will bring up how amazing Hurts played in his last three starts. Terrible teams don't matter, then. 

I will say it until I can no longer: I have never seen mediocrity defended more on this team than with Hurts.

It's a cult thing. Not so much in here to be fair, but out in other places, the takes are so bad you think they are joking but they are dead serious. 

Best you can hope for with guys like Davis , is 50% of the snaps  , and productive snaps  , that is what Vea gives the Bucs. , he is their best DL , maybe even best player on D ,  not a player on that D I take over him , including Shaq , White etc

that said I don’t think Davis is Vea. 

25 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I can't stop.....

Yes, Reagor isn't good. 

Three INTs, less than 50% pass completion,  less than 130 yards passing but sure, it's all Reagor's fault.

So, RTK synopsis:

Reagor = not good

Hurts = good.

Reagor was basically a rookie, he should improve.

26 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Personally I take Wyatt over Davis  , and in rd 1 

I probably would too. All I'm saying is that Davis would be a legit pick.