Since 2016, who has been the best Eagles draft pick? Wentz, Jalen Mills, Goedert, Maddox, Vaitai, Barnett, Seumalo, Sanders, Sweat, Mailata?

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Since 2016, who has been the best Eagles draft pick? Wentz, Jalen Mills, Goedert, Maddox, Vaitai, Barnett, Seumalo, Sanders, Sweat, Mailata?

This is the only answer.  Franchise LT with a 7th round pick.  Nobody does that.  You can't completely put that on Howie, though.  Stout had a lot to do with his success.

Pure Howie (sleeper pick): Wentz because he got rid of a ton of bad contracts in the process.

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Since 2016, who has been the best Eagles draft pick? Wentz, Jalen Mills, Goedert, Maddox, Vaitai, Barnett, Seumalo, Sanders, Sweat, Mailata?

Goedert or Mailata.  Just because Mills stunk here for 5 years doesn't make him a good draft pick -- and I couldn't care less that he was a 7th round pick.  Once you're a starter on Sundays it doesn't matter what your draft slot is.  You play well or you don't.

On 2/20/2022 at 7:45 AM, Original Sin said:

Speaking of backs , I just watched some of Pierre Strong , I like  ,

my 3 favorites still would be 

Brooks , White and Smith 

Like Ford and really like Bam Knight

 

14 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

This is the only answer.  Franchise LT with a 7th round pick.  Nobody does that.  You can't completely put that on Howie, though.  Stout had a lot to do with his success.

Pure Howie (sleeper pick): Wentz because he got rid of a ton of bad contracts in the process.

I like that when it comes to Mailata it’s all Stoutland, but Dillard is 100% Howie. 

30 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Well, here comes the Eagles LB help this off-season!

🤢

49 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

He was a 26 year old fireman, he was more of a second rounder. 

Marcus Smith was more of a bust.  He couldn't get on the field.  Watkins at least started 18 games before he quit.  Smith was just immediately a bad player.  He never looked the part at all.  Watkins had talent and actually played.  

7 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I like that when it comes to Mailata it’s all Stoutland, but Dillard is 100% Howie. 

Agree, acknowledge the success and acknowledge failure.  He's the GM and ultimately responsible for every draft pick, every FA, every contract restructure.

29 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Since 2016, who has been the best Eagles draft pick? Wentz, Jalen Mills, Goedert, Maddox, Vaitai, Barnett, Seumalo, Sanders, Sweat, Mailata?

Aside from the 2018 draft there haven't been many. Hell, nearly two entire draft classes are basically gone (16 minus Seumalo and 17). Two others are trending the wrong way (19 and 20). It's hard to build the core of your team when you are constantly churning through draft class after draft class.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Marcus Smith was more of a bust.  He couldn't get on the field.  Watkins at least started 18 games before he quit.  Smith was just immediately a bad player.  He never looked the part at all.  Watkins had talent and actually played.  

Yeah but looking at the player whom went directly after Watkins,  it makes it more glaring to me. Cam is still in the league playing well and went to multiple pro bowls. I would have to go back but I don't think there was as much of a consensus pick the year Smith was taken. I do remember the safety who was turned LB by the Cards who was ok, but nothing spectacular. 

31 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Since 2016, who has been the best Eagles draft pick? Wentz, Jalen Mills, Goedert, Maddox, Vaitai, Barnett, Seumalo, Sanders, Sweat, Mailata?

Strictly based on the fact that they most likely don't win a Super Bowl without him, it's Wentz. But for the sake off longevity, value, and being on the team it's probably Mailata. 

2 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Yeah but looking at the player whom went directly after Watkins,  it makes it more glaring to me. Cam is still in the league playing well and went to multiple pro bowls. I would have to go back but I don't think there was as much of a consensus pick the year Smith was taken. I do remember the safety who was turned LB by the Cards who was ok, but nothing spectacular. 

Eagles traded back, but could have stayed put and taken Dee Ford or Jason Verrett. After the trade back they could have taken Demarcus Lawrence. 

Is there a non QB player on another team that you would trade one of our 1st or 2nd rounders for?  The player must be obtainable meaning not someone like Ja'Marr Chase.  

27 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Since 2016, who has been the best Eagles draft pick? Wentz, Jalen Mills, Goedert, Maddox, Vaitai, Barnett, Seumalo, Sanders, Sweat, Mailata?

Other than Barnett, I think that's an accurate list.  Barnett wasn't a good pick.  I'm guessing you're excluding picks from 2020 or 21. 

23 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’m trying to remember, because I was traveling back from Chicago that night.  But wasn’t HaHa our target and then he went a pick before us, Lowie panicked and traded down and then took the softee.  Do I have that right?

They wanted to trade up for Cooks but couldn’t so then targeted HaHa and he went the pick before so they traded back and then panicked 

32 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Completely different.  One was an accomplished college player who just doesn’t have it, as far as a mental/competitive side of the game.  The other was a guy who has never played football and had to learn it from the ground up.  Howie would have been involved in knowing the player and if he’s a right fit mentally.  And missed on Dillard.  Alao, Howie would have certainly not been involved in shaping Mailata into the player he is today.  He was a freak athlete that Dopey Howie rolled the dice on, in the 7th round.  He got lucky.  Credit goes to JM and Stoutland.  Howie didn’t teach the guy who to play the game. 

 

 

Is it not his job to see potential though? He didn’t have to spend a 7th on a guy who never played football. 
 

Or is it possible, just maybe…That it doesn’t always depend on 1 person? The draft can be a team effort.

A 26 year old Canadian whose true passion was to be a firefighter, or a guy at a position of need who should have been drafted a round or two later. Deciding between those two as to who was the bigger bust would be like choosing between dying from freezing to death or being burned up in a house fire.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

A 26 year old Canadian whose true passion was to be a firefighter, or a guy at a position of need who should have been drafted a round or two later. Deciding between those two as to who was the bigger bust would be like choosing between dying from freezing to death or being burned up in a house fire.

I'll take freezing to death.  Is that Smith or thr Firefighter?

16 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Other than Barnett, I think that's an accurate list.  Barnett wasn't a good pick.  I'm guessing you're excluding picks from 2020 or 21. 

Yeah, I didn't include the last 2 drafts since it's too early for them. I'm always 50/50 with Barnett, he's not terrible, but he's not great either. If he didn't have so many dumb penalties, i'd be ok with extending him.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

All Howie Roseman saw was an absolute athletic monster in JM.  Anyone could have seen that.  No chance his accounting ass could see that JM would master the technique of play OT like he has.  Please.  
 

Developing guys takes more than one person.  The draft is on multiple guys, yeah.  That’s why I call them Lowie.  But in a lot of cases the GM is the last person who will make the decision on who to draft.  

Sounds like he made the final decision to draft JM then.

The only decision that matters is the decision to get #9 back and win another title. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Marcus Smith was a panic pick and a reach by an arrogant FO who got too cute for their own good.  You see any highlights from college you see a guy who just brings players down to the ground.  He didn’t have that thump to him.  So yeah, he was a bust.  But he was also a reach.   

Oh yeah, I agree. It was a head scratcher for sure. 

30 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

A 26 year old Canadian whose true passion was to be a firefighter, or a guy at a position of need who should have been drafted a round or two later. Deciding between those two as to who was the bigger bust would be like choosing between dying from freezing to death or being burned up in a house fire.

I didn't think it was arguing, just talking about both busts is all. Ahhh the memories 

20 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The only decision that matters is the decision to get #9 back and win another title. 

 

Maybe he'll join Doug's coaching staff when he retires from playing.  

DIllard isn't a flop, he showed last season he can start at LT in the NFL, just had bad luck, first the Bicep, then the Jolly Green Australian.