This one is still wild to me. Hurts has 3 WRs open on this play and then threw behind Reagor which would’ve resulted in a pick, but he’s blaming Reagor lol. 
 

I agree Reagor needs to win the 1on1 faster, but he still won it. 

6 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Did you actually watch the playoff game? 

Re Herbert: this is a troll-level argument.

I mean you’re arguing with the guy who still doesn’t believe Patrick Mahomes is proven. Even though if he wins this weekend he will be playing in his fourth consecutive AFC title game in 4 years as a starter. and if he wins that game his third consecutive Super Bowl. and this was considered a down year for him and he is top five or 10 in almost every statistical category.

The only reason why keeps coming up with his conclusions is because he doesn’t wanna go out and get another quarterback because he believes there’s only one way to build your roster which is you build it all up and then get a quarterback. Meanwhile the Cincinnati Bengals are not regretting drafting Joe Burrow and could potentially be playing in the AFC title game in a week from now after the bengals were an awful 2 win team when he was drafted. I’m sure the Los Angeles Chargers are not regretting taking Justin Herbert. There’s multiple ways to skin a cat. He just doesn’t want to believe it because it’s not what he wants to do.

the eagles can go either way. I don’t have a problem if they go either direction about it. However there is more than just one way you can build the roster you want and get to where you want to go.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Uh, look at their teams, KC, Buf, GB, LA are easily in the top ten, maybe top five in overall talent. Same with TB, TEnn.

Jimmy G made a pass that almost lost the game that would have gotten Hurts crucified around here.

Bills and KC were the only two of the six winning playoff teams to put up 400+ yards of offense. Only one losing team got as many as 21 points. Guess defense matters.

Jimmy G has also been to a Superbowl and managed to beat a good team on the road in the playoffs.

No, I don't think he's great, but he gets more slack for a bad throw because he actually wins football games against good teams.

4 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Kiper on SportsCentre said the same thing, that he is hearing from his NFL contacts that Willis is the #1 QB in this draft. Kiper has him mocked to the WFT at #11.

Let's hope so, Willis is terrible.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Jimmy G has also been to a Superbowl and managed to beat a good team on the road in the playoffs.

No, I don't think he's great, but he gets more slack for a bad throw because he actually wins football games against good teams.

Let's hope so, Willis is terrible.

I’ll say this Jimmy G is the main reason at the end of that game that Dallas had a chance to even win that game. His interception was horrific and change the tide of that game. And then because he didn’t look to see if his offensive lineman was set he took a 5 yard penalty on what should’ve just been a QB sneak to end the game. Jimmy G was good the first 3 quarters. Then the 4th quarter happened. 

Malik Willis is very talented, but very raw. He could be great or out of the league in 3 years.

My off season wish list:

RB: power back who is good at blitz pickup - makes play action more effective, 3-4 rd, another later or as UDFA,

WR:  big possession receiver to provide a reliable underneath target, especially on 3rd down

H-back: with Jackson out with an ACL, they need a receiving TE to spell Goedert and provide different matchups, Stoll is the blocking TE

OL: If they trade Dillard, they need depth at OT

DL:  DE, DT

LB:  top priority in Gannon's scheme, one early, one or two later

CB:  someone who can push to start

S:  two athletic safeties with instincts and speed

Now most don't have to be 1st and 2nd rd picks, S, DL, LB, WR. If you have fast safeties, you can cheat a little at CB.

Get these holes addressed, build up depth on both sides of the ball, and in 2023 you can start thinking about QB - with a good young OL, an elite running game, a good core of WRs and TEs, you don't need the next Brady to be successful. Someone like Tannhill was successful b/c he went to a team like Tennessee.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean you’re arguing with the guy who still doesn’t believe Patrick Mahomes is proven. Even though if he wins this weekend he will be playing in his fourth consecutive AFC title game in 4 years as a starter. and if he wins that game his third consecutive Super Bowl. and this was considered a down year for him and he is top five or 10 in almost every statistical category.

The only reason why keeps coming up with these conclusions is because he doesn’t wanna go out and get another quarterback because he believes there’s only one way to build your roster which is you build it all up and then get a quarterback. Meanwhile the Cincinnati Bengals are not regretting drafting Joe Burrow and could potentially be playing in the AFC title game in a week from now after the bengals were an awful 2 win team when he was drafted. I’m sure the Los Angeles Chargers or not regretting taking Justin Herbert. There’s multiple ways to skin a cat. He just doesn’t want to believe it because it’s not what he wants to do.

the eagles can go either way. I don’t have a problem if they go either direction about it. However there is more than just one way you can build the roster you want and get to where you want to go.

I think Afan will go to any lengths to defend Hurts. I view it as not an endorsement of Hurts per se, but as a quixotic defense of Roseman. If he concedes that Hurts sucks, then he must concede that Roseman erred.

30 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

I know most wouldn't, but I would add Wilson to that list as well, either way we need a QB in the most desperate sense. So trade for one or find one you like enough to draft.

Also, even if the Eagles end up making 3 picks in the first round, don't expect any more than 1 on the defensive side. This league is all about offense, all these playoff teams have high powered offenses, defense is an afterthought.

When is the last time we even heard about team defensive rankings? I don't think I've heard any mention of which team is the #1 defense or whatever like we used to in the Ray Lewis days.

I can’t get onboard with Wilson. Too old and too much $/draft capital. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ll say this Jimmy G is the main reason at the end of that game that Dallas had a chance to even win that game. His interception was horrific and change the tide of that game. And then because he didn’t look to see if his offensive lineman was set he took a 5 yard penalty on what should’ve just been a QB sneak to end the game. Jimmy G was good the first 3 quarters. Then the 4th quarter happened. 

Jimmy G blows, but he's still infinitely better and more accomplished than Hurts.

19 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Who is left in the QB.  Mahommes, Allen, Burrow, Rodgers, Stafford the best arms in the NFL.  Then you have the GOAT, Tannehill who is no slouch in the arm strength department and Jimmy G.

Where are all the QB's who ran their way into the playoffs ??

I was going to say you're missing Herbert but then realized this was about current playoff teams lol

I need to read more of conversations before jumping in lol

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

As far as the Eagles against playoff teams, duh. They were 4-11-1 last year, I had them at 7-10 this year, they weren't that talented. And very inexperienced on offense, and slow on defense.

Of course they struggled against teams with superior talent.

Gee, it was a rebuild, no, we made the playoffs, the rebuild is over, we should be a top team. It's all Hurts' fault.

Maybe y'all should take a step back, I didn't expect them to be a serious contender until 2023, and nothing has fundamentally changed.

Even with all the draft picks this year, it usually takes 2 years before the bulk will be NFL ready.

Just so you know in 2020 against playoff teams the offense averaged 20.1 points per game (with same garbage time stats the eagles had this year). In 2021, they averaged 19.8 ppg with what we can all say was a better roster (including garbage time).

 

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean you’re arguing with the guy who still doesn’t believe Patrick Mahomes is proven. Even though if he wins this weekend he will be playing in his fourth consecutive AFC title game in 4 years as a starter. and if he wins that game his third consecutive Super Bowl. and this was considered a down year for him and he is top five or 10 in almost every statistical category.

The only reason why keeps coming up with his conclusions is because he doesn’t wanna go out and get another quarterback because he believes there’s only one way to build your roster which is you build it all up and then get a quarterback. Meanwhile the Cincinnati Bengals are not regretting drafting Joe Burrow and could potentially be playing in the AFC title game in a week from now after the bengals were an awful 2 win team when he was drafted. I’m sure the Los Angeles Chargers are not regretting taking Justin Herbert. There’s multiple ways to skin a cat. He just doesn’t want to believe it because it’s not what he wants to do.

the eagles can go either way. I don’t have a problem if they go either direction about it. However there is more than just one way you can build the roster you want and get to where you want to go.

Bengals went 10-7 in a weak division, let's not count our chickens quite yet. And Burrow was a 24 year old rookie, a year older than Hurts this season. Still looked like crap as a rookie, 48.4 QBR, 5.74 NY/A.

Bengals starting building this team in 2018:  Price C (21), Bates S (54), Hubbard DE (87), 2019: Wiliams G (11), Sample TE (52), Pratt LB (77), Jordan G (136), 2020:  Burrows (1), Higgins WR (33), Wilson LB (65), 2021:  Chase (5),

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Begnals went 10-7 in a weak division, let's not count our chickens quite yet. And Burrow was a 24 year old rookie, a year older than Hurts this season. Still looked like crap as a rookie, 48.4 QBR, 5.74 NY/A.

Bengals starting building this team in 2018:  Price C (21), Bates S (54), Hubbard DE (87), 2019: Wiliams G (11), Sample TE (52), Pratt LB (77), Jordan G (136), 2020:  Burrows (1), Higgins WR (33), Wilson LB (65), 2021:  Chase (5),

Burrow (and Herbert for that matter) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hurts

8 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Jimmy G blows, but he's still infinitely better and more accomplished than Hurts.

Oh I don’t disagree. If the Niners would’ve lost that game with Jimmy G’s 4th quarter, it is the one of the main reason why the niners went out to get trey lance. Besides Jimmy G‘s injury problems, the other reason why they went out to get Trey Lance was because they didn’t think Jimmy G was good enough to put them over the top. 

26 minutes ago, austinfan said:

As far as the Eagles against playoff teams, duh. They were 4-11-1 last year, I had them at 7-10 this year, they weren't that talented. And very inexperienced on offense, and slow on defense.

Of course they struggled against teams with superior talent.

Gee, it was a rebuild, no, we made the playoffs, the rebuild is over, we should be a top team. It's all Hurts' fault.

Maybe y'all should take a step back, I didn't expect them to be a serious contender until 2023, and nothing has fundamentally changed.

Even with all the draft picks this year, it usually takes 2 years before the bulk will be NFL ready.

Don't kid yourself. They weren't a serious contender THIS year.

13 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I think Afan will go to any lengths to defend Hurts. I view it as not an endorsement of Hurts per se, but as a quixotic defense of Roseman. If he concedes that Hurts sucks, then he must concede that Roseman erred.

It's far simpler, I think they're rebuilding, I want to continue the rebuild, and wait for a QB to fall into their laps.

Teams that reach for QBs in trade or the draft tend to end up disappointed and set themselves back.

TB - Brady FA, NO, Brees cost a late 1st, Tenn - Tannehill cheap FA, Grap 2nd and 3rd rd pick. Denver - Peyton.

1 minute ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Don't kid yourself. They weren't a serious contender THIS year.

And won’t be without a better QB.  They have three 1sts, we have posted Laurie’s statements, buckle up, a new QB is coming.

21 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Begnals went 10-7 in a weak division, let's not count our chickens quite yet. And Burrow was a 24 year old rookie, a year older than Hurts this season. Still looked like crap as a rookie, 48.4 QBR, 5.74 NY/A.

Bengals starting building this team in 2018:  Price C (21), Bates S (54), Hubbard DE (87), 2019: Wiliams G (11), Sample TE (52), Pratt LB (77), Jordan G (136), 2020:  Burrows (1), Higgins WR (33), Wilson LB (65), 2021:  Chase (5),

Yes I forgot because the Eagles play in such a great division. The Giants have had the worst record in the league since 2017. Washington won the division with a record below 500. The Eagles only made the playoffs in 2019 because they played in the worst division in football. Yes the NFC east was such a great division over the last couple years. Literally Dak Prescott is 17-2 against the NFC East over the last four years. Meanwhile outside of the nfc east 15-23. Yes the NFC east is so good that dak Prescott can’t be anybody else consistently in the league.

And the Eagles went 9-8 with a even weaker schedule and a division that had the giants and Washington. Afc north had every team have 8 or more wins. No other division in football had that.  Additionally that division had the third most wins of any division in the NFL. Do you know where the NFC east was? second worst with only the nfc north being worse 

wow  The amount of excuses you make. The Bengals took Joe burrow when they had two wins.  They were no way shape or form ready to take a quarterback then with that roster. With the roster they had they were not close. They took him. Their team turned it around in two years after getting him. You can say whatever the hell you want but they weren’t turning that team around without Joe Burrow. There’s a reason why he’s likely going to finish top five in the MVP voting. The bengals still don’t have a good oline ( gave up the most sacks in the league) and they have an average defense (19th in total yards, 17th in turnovers, 26th against the pass). They have good WRs and mixon. 

25 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's far simpler, I think they're rebuilding, I want to continue the rebuild, and wait for a QB to fall into their laps.

Teams that reach for QBs in trade or the draft tend to end up disappointed and set themselves back.

TB - Brady FA, NO, Brees cost a late 1st, Tenn - Tannehill cheap FA, Grap 2nd and 3rd rd pick. Denver - Peyton.

This is a tautology. A "reach" by definition is a move that does not work out -  at least when weighed against expenditures.

How many teams fix the QB position if they never try to get one?

I did a PFN mock simulator for fun.   Don't find it terribly realistic. Came away with the following draft:

15. A. Gardner - CB

30. C. Strong -QB

40. K. Enagbare- DE

51. C.Harris- LB

62. P. Mathis- DT

94. J. Pitre- S

121. T. McBride- TE

153. B. Robinson, JR.- RB

161. J. Jobe - CB

165. C. Strange- OG

2023 Denver 1sr round pick

2023 Tampa Bay 2nd round pick

These two tweets back to back are hilarious. 

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

This is a tautology. A "reach" by definition is a move that does not work out -  at least when weighed against expenditures.

How many teams fix the QB position if they never try to get one?

No, it's not. When you give up a huge amount of assets for a QB, it's a bad move if it doesn't work out, because that's the kind of move you should only make with a very high probability of success.  It's one thing to take a 50/50 gamble with a late first rd pick, quite another with a package of 3 or 4 top assets.

19 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

This is a tautology. A "reach" by definition is a move that does not work out -  at least when weighed against expenditures.

How many teams fix the QB position if they never try to get one?

This theory that you can only build the team first and then magically a QB  from the heavens and football gods is going to be delivered into Eagles laps like KC can easily go the other way to.   You can as easily wind up being the Broncos now or the Bears a couple years ago who had a stacked defense and then took trubisky but never capitalized on that roster.

There’s two scenarios that can play out. One does fall into your lap or you continue to keep searching and not finding with a built up roster wasting that roster. That’s why I said if there’s a quarterback that you truly love and you covet and available then go get it and dicking around it and just hope there’s one there down there road. Hope it’s not a plan

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

No, it's not. When you give up a huge amount of assets for a QB, it's a bad move if it doesn't work out, because that's the kind of move you should only make with a very high probability of success.  It's one thing to take a 50/50 gamble with a late first rd pick, quite another with a package of 3 or 4 top assets.

Did you not read the qualifier, "when weighed against expenditures"?

Let's try this another way. How many teams do not regret "bad" moves? 

9 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Did you not read the qualifier, "when weighed against expenditures"?

Let's try this another way. How many teams do not regret "bad" moves? 

Just wait till we go get a QB.  His spin will be epic.