14 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

I’ll say they won’t trade or sign another QB (unless they trade Minshew). And they won’t draft one in the first two rounds.

The board will be full of excuses about why the Eagles didn’t make a move, but still convinced the Eagles think Hurts sucks like they do.

I won't be "full of excuses" because I expect them not to draft a guy, that said Hurts still sucks and will forever. Good runner, terrible passer.

Weigh ins to start coming in at 8  , lot s of shockers is my guess 

45 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

He still struggles at the most important part of being an NFL QB... and no, his running ability doesn't make up for that deficit.  As a passer, he's barely one of the top 32.  And even if he's #17 (I disagree that he should be ranked that high)... the question should be, are you satisfied with that at the most important position on the field?  Frankly, I'm pretty sure he's only the 2nd best passer on the Eagles' roster.

I think he's horrible and is not taking this team (or any other) anywhere important.  No QB rated that low will. 

Hurts is basically today's version of the Wildcat QB...a passing RB.  IMO, he gets too much leeway with this team because of how Howie botched his drafting and the subsequent fallout.  Howie isn't going to readily admit that failure and will keep pretending that this is part of some master plan.  

Another throwaway year sucks, but we better get ready to deal with it AGAIN.

Tolbert

Drummond

Gray

Ezukanma

Wydermyer 

Hendershot

Otten , no drills

Eleby

who I’m looking forward to seeing today  

14 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I’ll say they won’t trade or sign another QB (unless they trade Minshew). And they won’t draft one in the first two rounds.

The board will be full of excuses about why the Eagles didn’t make a move, but still convinced the Eagles think Hurts sucks like they do.

. Wow.  Setting up the strawman in a pre-emptive manner.  Impressive stuff.

 

 

How about this: 

• The cost for trading for one of the QBs is prohibitive for what would essentially be a 3 year rental, or for an alleged sexual predator.  No thanks.
• The options in the draft are all with major drawbacks.  None of them are clearly a QB that is going to be good enough (that's not to say that any one of them can't be better than Hurts, but the marginal improvement wouldn't justify the cost). 

 

So, I fully anticipate that Hurts will be back at QB next year, not because he's earned it, but because they really don't have another option, not because of how sold they are on him.

 

15 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He's wearing gloves throwing down a hallway....

 

 

ALL OUT on this guy

Im still thinking Howie is in on this guy. You better hope he begins to slip so we dont have to trade up to get him. 

9 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I think he's horrible and is not taking this team (or any other) anywhere important.  No QB rated that low will. 

Hurts is basically today's version of the Wildcat QB...a passing RB.  IMO, he gets too much leeway with this team because of how Howie botched his drafting and the subsequent fallout.  Howie isn't going to readily admit that failure and will keep pretending that this is part of some master plan.  

Another throwaway year sucks, but we better get ready to deal with it AGAIN.

Howie knows they need another QB otherwise there would be no noise about them willing to trade for one, even a scumbag like Watson.

But he is taking the correct route publicly by backing Hurts.   Doing anything different would be horrible and he'd get slaughtered by the players,  their agents, the press, rightfully so.  

If they can't trade for a guy they want this off season then keeping the peace at home is necessary until they can.

This video from Tra Thomas on Dickerson and Mailata is a good watch, but I'm not sure what to make of him singing the theme to Golden Girls at the end though.  To be fair, with a bit of auto tuning, it would be better than some of the singers today....

 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So, I fully anticipate that Hurts will be back at QB next year, not because he's earned it, but because they really don't have another option, not because of how sold they are on him.

 

He earned nothing and that's the frustrating part.  For the wins that Hurts might help the Eagles earn by using his legs, I'd rather have Minshew do the same but while involving the Eagles draft investments and letting them grow rather than having Hurts not see them and wasting another year of potential development.

Just now, bpac55 said:

He earned nothing and that's the frustrating part.  For the wins that Hurts might help the Eagles earn by using his legs, I'd rather have Minshew do the same but while involving the Eagles draft investments and letting them grow rather than having Hurts not see them and wasting another year of potential development.

19 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Tolbert

Drummond

Gray

Ezukanma

Wydermyer 

Hendershot

Otten , no drills

Eleby

who I’m looking forward to seeing today  

Any guys who could run sub 4.3 40's this year? 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Any guys who could run sub 4.3 40's this year? 

Danny Gray  , fastest guy at combine , I’m big fan of his 

11 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Any guys who could run sub 4.3 40's this year? 

Calvin Austin III from Memphis is a guy to watch, he's small but has some serious speed.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He earned nothing and that's the frustrating part.  For the wins that Hurts might help the Eagles earn by using his legs, I'd rather have Minshew do the same but while involving the Eagles draft investments and letting them grow rather than having Hurts not see them and wasting another year of potential development.

This, coupled with the fact that Sirianni inherited Hurts as the QB leads me to believe the Eagles might make a move in the draft for a QB.  Most OC’s that land a head coaching gig get the opportunity to draft and develop their own QB.  Sometimes people forget McVay inherited Goff — we saw how that ended.  Arians inherited Winston and figured out quickly they were going nowhere with him at QB.  Kingsbury inherited Josh Rosen and the Cards upgraded QB immediately because he was infatuated with Murray as a prospect.

The Eagles aren’t getting Wilson/Watson/Rodgers and I can agree it doesn’t make a lot of sense to trade assets for Jimmy G/Cousins/Goff, etc and have to pay them $20M+ per season.  That leaves drafting a QB you think can become a franchise QB.  Having Minshew for another season means that pick doesn’t need to start Year 1; he can develop for a season like Lance, Mahomes, etc.

Hurts is going into Year 3.  Unless the Eagles feel like he has the upside to lead them to 11-12 wins next season I think the proper plan would be to flip him for a pick now.  I doubt that will happen, though.

 

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Don’t lump me in the "will be” category.  Because I have been saying just that.  Will they make another move for a QB?  Maybe.  But I don’t think they should trade for one or draft one high.   And that’s not because I think Hurts is the answer.  That’s not an excuse.  That’s just reality.  The options are limited.  
 

Kicking the can until 2023 is the right move.  And yes….Hurts sucks.  He is not the answer long term.  A lot more people are on my side of the thinking than there was before 2021.  After 2022, it will be close to unanimous.  Because the Hurts Squirters will have disappeared.   
 

But you go ahead and celebrate the fact that we’ll be a mediocre team again next year.  It’s the new norm.  
 

 

Hurts doesn’t suck. He’s already a clear top 20 QB in the NFL. Already better than top 10 picks like Mayfield and Daniel Jones.

If you think he can’t progress to be the franchise guy, then fair enough and you are probably right. But if you have a young cheap QB who had a solid season and there are no viable alternatives then you roll with him again.

Get him a solid WR to start with Smith and a D that can occasionally stop a top 12 QB and see what he can do. And if he can’t improve sufficiently, nice and easy to move on in 2023.

3 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Hurts doesn’t suck. He’s already a clear top 20 QB in the NFL. Already better than top 10 picks like Mayfield and Daniel Jones.

If you think he can’t progress to be the franchise guy, then fair enough and you are probably right. But if you have a young cheap QB who had a solid season and there are no viable alternatives then you roll with him again.

Get him a solid WR to start with Smith and a D that can occasionally stop a top 12 QB and see what he can do. And if he can’t improve sufficiently, nice and easy to move on in 2023.

Why?  He doesn't throw it often enough to make that a worthwhile investment.   We saw what he can do.  He can run.  

I think Ekwonu is the top OL in the draft , combine will solidify that .

7 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I think Ekwonu is the top OL in the draft , combine will solidify that .

Better than Neal? Wow.

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I would like for us to do one of the following scenarios, with our 3 firsts.  I am convinced we will not make all three picks.  

 

Scenario 1

Try to trade one of our 2022 1sts to accumulate assets to have ammo to go after a QB in the 2023 class, in hopes that class is better than 2022. 

Use the other two first on 2 of the following:

Ojabo

Sauce Gardner

Lloyd

Booth

Kenyon Green

Jameson Williams

Devonte Wyatt

Travon Walker

Leal

 

Scenario 2

Try to trade one of our 2022 1sts to accumulate assets to have ammo to go after a QB in the 2023 class, in hopes that class is better than 2022. 

Package up to get Kyle Hamilton

 

 

I know scenario 2 will not be popular around here.  

In scenario 1, no interest in Jordan Davis? 

I would love a package up to get Hamilton. I've stated it since September, if we somehow land him, I'll buy his jersey immediately. And I hate buying jerseys. 

22 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Hurts doesn’t suck. He’s already a clear top 20 QB in the NFL. Already better than top 10 picks like Mayfield and Daniel Jones.

If you think he can’t progress to be the franchise guy, then fair enough and you are probably right. But if you have a young cheap QB who had a solid season and there are no viable alternatives then you roll with him again.

Get him a solid WR to start with Smith and a D that can occasionally stop a top 12 QB and see what he can do. And if he can’t improve sufficiently, nice and easy to move on in 2023.

He does suck, but I agree with the rest of your post

 

Would you trade Jimmy G for Hurts. Yea. Would you trade Matt ryan for Hurts, Ya. Cousins, Tannehill, Carr,

Hell no. None have upside, all have downside, and Hurts outperformed them, except for Carr and Cousins.

Running is a skill. They don't change the score b/c you ran it in for a TD instead of throwing a perfect fade.

Maybe Hurts improves, maybe he doesn't, but there is no one in this draft that I see having better than his current performance  as their probable upside. So don't waste a pick.

It's the second year of a rebuild, come back after the 2023 season, and if the team goes 11-6 and stalls in the playoffs due to Hurts, then make the move.

 

One reason to build a team around the Hurts skill package is it's a lot easier to upgrade if you build an offense around a QB with an accurate arm, quick release and good anticipation than one based on a big arm, big play QB. That means the OL, the running game, a big possession receiver and two solid TEs. Power running, play action and screens, TEs down the seam and crossing patterns. If Hurts can't run that offense, you can find someone who can who won't cost an arm and a leg and blow up your cap. One thing the playoffs showed is good defenses will take away the big play and force you to dink and dunk - so build the best dink and dunk offense possible and use play action to burn them if they bring the safeties up.

 

20 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I think Ekwonu is the top OL in the draft , combine will solidify that .

Height and wingspan are going to be huge for him. IMO, if he’s 6’3” you can’t take him top-5.

18 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Better than Neal? Wow.

Can’t go wrong either way , Neal is better pass pro , Ekwonu better run blocker , I see some like Cross better than both .

I think this is a good OL draft  . There are a handful of lesser known prospects that I really like .

Mitchell

Zakelj

T Smith

B Jones
L Goedeke

D Deaton 

B Andries