3 hours ago, austinfan said:

Would you trade Jimmy G for Hurts. Yea. Would you trade Matt ryan for Hurts, Ya. Cousins, Tannehill, Carr,

Hell no. None have upside, all have downside, and Hurts outperformed them, except for Carr and Cousins.

Running is a skill. They don't change the score b/c you ran it in for a TD instead of throwing a perfect fade.

Maybe Hurts improves, maybe he doesn't, but there is no one in this draft that I see having better than his current performance  as their probable upside. So don't waste a pick.

It's the second year of a rebuild, come back after the 2023 season, and if the team goes 11-6 and stalls in the playoffs due to Hurts, then make the move.

 

One reason to build a team around the Hurts skill package is it's a lot easier to upgrade if you build an offense around a QB with an accurate arm, quick release and good anticipation than one based on a big arm, big play QB. That means the OL, the running game, a big possession receiver and two solid TEs. Power running, play action and screens, TEs down the seam and crossing patterns. If Hurts can't run that offense, you can find someone who can who won't cost an arm and a leg and blow up your cap. One thing the playoffs showed is good defenses will take away the big play and force you to dink and dunk - so build the best dink and dunk offense possible and use play action to burn them if they bring the safeties up.

 

Hurts has mediocre accuracy,  poor anticipation,  and a looping release.  Proof: Eagles removed the quick WR slant from the playbook because Hurts couldn't do the three things necessary to complete the pass: accuracy, anticipation,  quick release.   And Smith was routinely wide open on those plays and Hurts either missed badly or just didn't bother throwing the pass.  Then it was just gone.

Against the Bucs in the playoffs Hurts could neither dink and dunk, nor hit the wide open Watkins deep for a TD 2 times.  Either he didn't throw because he didn't see it, didn't think he could complete it.  What exactly are you building around with Hurts?  He literally cannot do any of the things you stated.

Surprised that Corral measured at 6"1.5, was expecting sub 6". Interesting.

Corral only QB I would use a first on . 
 

 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Howie will catch him.  If the Eagles bring him in for an official visit I'm changing my avatar, because it'll be a given

In all seriousness I'll wait for the velocity numbers.  If he can throw a tight spiral with some zip he's going top 11.  He'd be a natural successor to Matt Ryan in ATL, and he's the only game in town as far as a pocket passer goes.  Quite a few evaluators will take a chance on him.  I don't think hand size is important unless there's a track record of fumbling -- which Pickett doesn't have.

26 fumbles in 52 games 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So Pickett has the smallest hands of any QB in the NFL and it's not even close. He'll probably go first round but I see him falling.

Michael Vick had the same size hand. I don't know if it's all that meaningful.  

1 minute ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Michael Vick had the same size hand. I don't know if it's all that meaningful.  

It is if you are a pocket passer.  Vick was not.

2 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

Poops and grins I just measured my hand(had a tape at my desk, dont ask) I'm closer to 6'2'' than 6'1'' and I came up with just shy of 9 1/2. Dudes got some tiny paws

 

 

12 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

26 fumbles in 52 games 

Well, Hurts has 18 in 20 starts, so ..... upgrade

14 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

It is if you are a pocket passer.  Vick was not.

I'm not sure I completely understand why you say that.  Harder to get the ball out of shotgun?  I'm no expert, but I'd believe hand size would be important if you are a mobile QB because defenders are going to try to slap the ball away. 

2 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

I'm not sure I completely understand why you say that.  Harder to get the ball out of shotgun?  I'm no expert, but I'd believe hand size would be important if you are a mobile QB because defenders are going to try to slap the ball away. 

It's the bodies flying around a pocket passer hitting him and taking swipes at the ball.  Anytime he doesnt have 2 hands on the ball it os in jeopardy.   Vick was unique as his speed created so much separation.   

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

London was supposedly 6'5 once upon a time.

Yup, most college heights weights are exaggerated.

Biggest worry about Drake was if his slight frame could hold up, 6'3" 215 lbs is more than fine 

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

It's the bodies flying around a pocket passer hitting him and taking swipes at the ball.  Anytime he doesnt have 2 hands on the ball it os in jeopardy.   Vick was unique as his speed created so much separation.   

Yeah that makes sense.  Was this the reason for all the fumbles in college?

Also he was wearing gloves, I presume he wears them to get a better grip (that he needs because of his tiny hands...)

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I know going WR in round 1 three years in a row isn't a popular move but give me Williams, Olave or maybe London with one of those picks along with a QB who can get them the ball and that WR group is looking solid.  

Drake London in the 1st, UNBELIEVABLE!!  Dude is gong to be Whiteside all over again.

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Hurts was last place in his 2020 starts as well; there wasn't any development there at all.  He was at 3.11 or 3.12 both seasons IIRC

22nd is accurate for his overall NFL rating.  There's no way he was 17th as Rosenthal tried to assert.  Many of the QBs Zangaro and Reub listed in the 18-24 range had better seasons than Hurts did.

Think about how many screens this team ran as well.  It's not at all close to a functional average starter level. 

46 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Corral only QB I would use a first on . 
 

 

Corral is going to be damn good provided he has talent around him.

5 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

Drake London in the 1st, UNBELIEVABLE!!  Dude is gong to be Whiteside all over again.

Most draft people have him as a first round player.  I am not a big fan but I think it's not like JJAW. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Most draft people have him as a first round player.  

I just don't know what they see in him, especially considering he played in the PAC-12.......height doesn't mean that much.

23 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

It's the bodies flying around a pocket passer hitting him and taking swipes at the ball.  Anytime he doesnt have 2 hands on the ball it os in jeopardy.   Vick was unique as his speed created so much separation.   

Not too many guys can hold onto a ball with 1 hand in the pocket and not get it knocked out. 

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Hurts has mediocre accuracy, 

You're being too generous.

24 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, most college heights weights are exaggerated.

Biggest worry about Drake was if his slight frame could hold up, 6'3" 215 lbs is more than fine 

He's 6'4. Not 6'3

15 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

Corral is going to be damn good provided he has talent around him.

Franchise QB swag?

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He's 6'4. Not 6'3

Not quite 6'4" but closer to 6'4" than 6'3"

Still 6'4" around 215 is a good frame for NFL WR 

Either way he's not 6'5"

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Howie will catch him.  If the Eagles bring him in for an official visit I'm changing my avatar, because it'll be a given

In all seriousness I'll wait for the velocity numbers.  If he can throw a tight spiral with some zip he's going top 11.  He'd be a natural successor to Matt Ryan in ATL, and he's the only game in town as far as a pocket passer goes.  Quite a few evaluators will take a chance on him.   I don't think hand size is important unless there's a track record of fumbling -- which Pickett doesn't have.

 

2 hours ago, SB52 said:

26 fumbles in college. Can that be right?

He had 38 fumbles in college. He lost 26. And now he's going to play with a bigger ball. I'd say that's a problem.