19 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

The question is who are the veteran defensive players who might be available for trade this offseason if the Eagles dangle one of those first round picks out there. 

Moronic waste of valuable resources 

we spent the last 2 years with some of the worst QB play in the nfl. I was begrudgingly willing to sit through 2021 season seeing if Hurts could progress- That ship sailed for me. 

If we go into 2022 season with Hurts as our starting QB- I may have to take a haitus from watching them play, till we have a REAL QB or a REAL prospect. I cannot sit through another season of absolute dreck in QB play. Not when we have so many possible other options and some resources to change that.

I get that it's about the long haul, but nothing about Hurts is good for the long haul. It's not good for the other team mates, especially guys like Smith and Watson. It's not good for our defense.   And it's not good for my mental health. 

So no I Wont do it. Life is too short. 

14 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

I remember Howie made a point to state this was HIS pick too. 

I am sure it was Howie's pick because he was trying to get in with the cool new coach.  

48 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

Assuming the courts and league clears him, I think it will ultimately come down to cost. That and a real character assessment but from Vick we already know that part is more about the man moving forward and not as much of the past actions. 
 

I think he is off the table if he is suspended or if the lawsuits linger. 

There’s a whole lot that has to happen before Watson gets cleared.  The grand jury will likely conclude its work by late January according to reports.  I think it’s unlikely they indict him on any felony charges, but he’ll probably get misdemeanour indecent assault charges.  The NFL would likely suspend him 8 games if that happens.

Then Watson needs to settle his 22 civil lawsuits.  Again, reports say NFL teams are unwilling to commit to a Watson trade without that being done.  
 

Most importantly Watson has to include Philly on his list of teams he’d waive his No-trade clause for.  I haven’t heard any reliable reporting to suggest that would happen.  I’d still put the odds of a Watson to Philly trade at about 40:1

The complete roster mess and cap space issues means this team is hamstrung; yes they can move more cap space to the future, but only so much before you get duff contracts like Brooks and Cox that are drains on your top line when you want to make a move.  For better or worse, the QB issue is perhaps one year too early for this team to make an impact in the playoffs.  Sunday showed how bereft the D is of talent.  It needs multiple high draft picks and more FAs to tide them over.  Would Russell Wilson want to come to a team with a talent level this bad?

It's not sexy, it doesn't make the fan base buzz with excitement, but it's what they need on D. As much as I like Singleton as a person, I can't spend another season watching him drag tackle a RB 4 yards past the LOS or blitz and not get there.  He collects stats but doesn't make an impact.  Same with a lot of other players.

 

15 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

WIP was talking about it a lot the past week. These teams are looking for the "CEO" type candidate that can handle the press, be a professional, lead a team. Scheme on his side of the ball has no part of the interview much anymore with some of these teams. They said these Owners and GMs get fooled pretty easy over guys that can talk a good game. 

Lets hope Gannon fits that CEO mold they are looking for. 

He looks the part of Young guru and carries himself well. People get all sucked in by that. No different than real life, people who look the part and learned how to sell themselves often get to higher positions over people who are more qualified and would have been more successful. 

 

He would be no great loss. I'd rather have someone with a resume of turning around bad defenses into good ones. 

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Moronic waste of valuable resources 

 

Yeah our defense lacks talent and besides Sweat there really isn't anyone who can make any sort of impact that is under 30.  What a terrible waste of resources that would be to bring in an established difference maker on defense. 

No instead we should trade all of our picks for a QBzzzzz and he will magically fix our defense that is only going to get worse. 

 

 

What an absolutely horrendous take. Reminds me when everyone here wanted only a WR or Pitts in the last draft and then got all upset during the season that the Eagles didn't draft Parsons 

12 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Moronic waste of valuable resources 

yeah bringing in veteran Defensive guys who cost more would be a complete waste of good resources, when you lack an actual QB. Because by the time we get a good QB, those spots will need filled again. WHen you dont have a real franchise QB, you go youth as much as you can. 

Also, if Gannon goes and we want to hire a Vic Fangio type person as a replacement, they may not come unless there is an acknowledgement that the team have to greatly upgrade the talent they are working with.  Ergo, stop drafting TEs and WRs highly, with high OL picks.  Do the same for the D. 

Set yourself up for the next 5 years on D, rather than one or two years and hope it will all work out.

If I were the Eagles, I would trade Hurts,,  draft a QB with one of the firsts (and possibly a bit more if you needed to maneuver) and then roll with Minshew as your stopgap. 
 

now, I don’t think that makes next season much better in terms of results and we’ll soon enough uncover minshew’s weaknesses, but the more I think about it, the more I hate the idea of watching this season on repeat at the QB position. 
 

swapping hurts for minshew is like rearranging the deck chairs, but at least it will be different. 

I don’t see it with Gannon , he has much to learn , and I wouldn’t want my HC learning on the job , too raw .

Although the interview process should help him down the road .

Just now, Original Sin said:

I don’t see it with Gannon , he has much to learn , and I wouldn’t want my HC learning on the job , too raw .

Although the interview process should help him down the road .

If he gets one, it will be about his momentum from before he got here, and this season will just be the "experience” he needed. 

Off topic, but I found this hysterical.  Hurting Tom's feelings is an automatic 15.  Make contact and you may very well be suspended.  If Tom winces in pain for any reason... suspension is automatic.  Our last game was no exception!

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/19/tom-brady-says-he-doesnt-get-special-treatment-on-roughing-the-passer-calls/

 

18 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah our defense lacks talent and besides Sweat there really isn't anyone who can make any sort of impact that is under 30.  What a terrible waste of resources that would be to bring in an established difference maker on defense. 

No instead we should trade all of our picks for a QBzzzzz and he will magically fix our defense that is only going to get worse. 

 

 

What an absolutely horrendous take. Reminds me when everyone here wanted only a WR or Pitts in the last draft and then got all upset during the season that the Eagles didn't draft Parsons 

Nothing like a fresh cup of hyperbole in the morning. 

So what veteran defensive player do you propose we go after? What would you give up to get said player? 

Just now, John_C said:

Off topic, but I found this hysterical.  Hurting Tom's feelings is an automatic 15.  Make contact and you may very well be suspended.  If Tom winces in pain for any reason... suspension is automatic.  Our last game was no exception!

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/19/tom-brady-says-he-doesnt-get-special-treatment-on-roughing-the-passer-calls/

 

It was a legit penalty on Barnett. It wasn't where he hit him, that was perfectly fine. It was a late hit though. And, factor in Barnett's reputation, and it was an easy call for the zebras. 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Nothing like a fresh cup of hyperbole in the morning. 

So what veteran defensive player do you propose we go after? What would you give up to get said player? 

 

Well that's the question I asked. Who might be available. 

Someone that might be had for one of the Eagles first round licks, maybe packaged with a later round pick as well. 

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Well that's the question I asked. Who might be available. 

Someone that might be had for one of the Eagles first round licks, maybe packaged with a later round pick as well. 

Well do the research and throw a name out there. Otherwise, the other posters are right, it's a moronic waste of resources. 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well do the research and throw a name out there. Otherwise, the other posters are right, it's a moronic waste of resources. 

As a moron, I am offended.

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well do the research and throw a name out there. Otherwise, the other posters are right, it's a moronic waste of resources. 

 

How is it a moronic waste of resources? Do you see this defense overflowing with talent? Do you see this defense as even flat out talented?   Maybe you should stick to the CFL. 

 

19 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

If I were the Eagles, I would trade Hirts,  draft a QB with one of the firsts (and possibly a bit more if you needed to maneuver) and then roll with Minshew as your stopgap. 
 

now, I don’t think that makes next season much better in terms of results and we’ll soon enough uncover minshew’s weaknesses, but the more I think about it, the more I hate the idea of watching this season on repeat at the QB position. 
 

swapping hurts for minshew is like rearranging the deck chairs, but at least it will be different. 

I would disagree with the bolded.  It drastically would change the playbook for the better. At least with Minshew,  your passing attack would be dynamic. Your young WR's would likely benefit greatly. 

Yes the run game would take a hit, but not to a point where it would be completely ineffective. Teams would NOT be able to load the box, because they would have to account for Smith and Watkins going deep. This would actually make play action more effective as well, because we could actually have a legitimate shot hitting deep shots off of P/A. So the Db's would not be able to crowd the line - opening up the run game. 

You just would not have those QB rushes to the extent Hurts is able to. To be fair that is Hurts' game, and team dont win championships with a QB whose only game is running the ball. 

I think there are only a few positions where I could see going after a vet but only if they are young (excluding depth) - WR, LB, S. 

 

46 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Moronic waste of valuable resources 

Don’t feed the troll

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I would disagree with the bolded.  It drastically would change the playbook for the better. At least with Minshew,  your passing attack would be dynamic. Your young WR's would likely benefit greatly. 

Yes the run game would take a hit, but not to a point where it would be completely ineffective. Teams would NOT be able to load the box, because they would have to account for Smith and Watkins going deep. This would actually make play action more effective as well, because we could actually have a legitimate shot hitting deep shots off of P/A. So the Db's would not be able to crowd the line - opening up the run game. 

You just would not have those QB rushes to the extent Hurts is able to. To be fair that is Hurts' game, and team dont win championships with a QB whose only game is running the ball. 

Yes, I think that is mostly true. I’m not sure his arm strength, footwork, and decision making would necessarily lead to different results, but certainly the scheme would change dramatically. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

You and I disagreed during the game on this play. Again, I insist that Reagor should never be asked to run that route. He refuses to show any fight, which is required especially for that route. Coupled with Hurts noodle arm, it's a recipe for disaster.