Lol

Just now, Saltpeter said:

This has me questioning the use of MPH stats waaaaaay more than the 40.

I think with the max mph it’s a little limited because it says what the top speed is, not how long you can hold the speed or how long it takes to reach top speed. 

29 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I thought Skyy Moore had a nice combine. Where in terms of order do you guys see him drafted?

Didn’t do well in the agility drills but he can separate. 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lol

Insight, he has it not.

On 3/3/2022 at 7:43 AM, Iggles_Phan said:

Why?  He doesn't throw it often enough to make that a worthwhile investment.   We saw what he can do.  He can run.  

BAP but there is a gap at WR.  I have doubts any of Ward, Reagor and JJAW will be on the team at the end of camp (and many may say should not be).  Well, even a run centric team needs to be able to threaten the pass.  And, if Hurts is only a placeholder, the next QB is going to need targets.  Frankly, in this season and next I would like to see the Eagles change out three WRs and add a TE that can sub for Goedert. WR is a hole, second larger (and hopefully pass catching) RB is a hole, second TE and IOL are holes.  The O isn’t as porous as the defense but there are holes.

Now, I believe that strengthening the D will allow the offense to open up.  I haven’t changed my view on Hurts’ flaws but I also believe that the Eagles went to the run to help the D some.  I think, whoever the Eagles have at QB, Sirianni will call short pass plays. 

 

 

25 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Truth.  Unpopular opinion: 40 time is overrated.  This represents a theoretical maximum that a player could run, but they play football in pads, with players who are generally trying to get in their way of running max speed.  Historically speaking, speed does not necessarily translate to success in the NFL.  Remember John Ross?  Ran a 4.21 40?  Yeah, he has not had a great career...

21 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

This has me questioning the use of MPH stats waaaaaay more than the 40.

I disagree.  It's more valueable stat than the 40.  It represents how fast they actually are on the playing field.  

1 minute ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Truth.  Unpopular opinion: 40 time is overrated.  This represents a theoretical maximum that a player could run, but they play football in pads, with players who are generally trying to get in their way of running max speed.  Historically speaking, speed does not necessarily translate to success in the NFL.  Remember John Ross?  Ran a 4.21 40?  Yeah, he has not had a great career...

I disagree.  It's more valueable stat than the 40.  It represents how fast they actually are on the playing field.  

The 40 is definitely better. It tests acceleration in addition to speed. Many mph times will be very misleading because so few players get an opportunity to run near top speed in a straight line. And many are asked to run different routes which will influence it on a play by play basis.

 

58 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I thought Skyy Moore had a nice combine. Where in terms of order do you guys see him drafted?

2nd round. 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

few players get an opportunity to run near top speed in a straight line.

Doesn't this suggest that 40 time is meaningless?

 

 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Very nice 

built like a pittbull and plays like one , numero uno OL for me 

 

 

Linderbaum with some pedestrian measurements 

Yikes

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

What does that even mean? Cooper Kupp had a 5 RAS, which is mediocre. 

The Combine means less and less to me with every passing year.

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Linderbaum with some pedestrian measurements 

Weighed more than I expected but, yeah.

29 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Truth.  Unpopular opinion: 40 time is overrated.  This represents a theoretical maximum that a player could run, but they play football in pads, with players who are generally trying to get in their way of running max speed.  Historically speaking, speed does not necessarily translate to success in the NFL.  Remember John Ross?  Ran a 4.21 40?  Yeah, he has not had a great career...

I disagree.  It's more valueable stat than the 40.  It represents how fast they actually are on the playing field.  

 

26 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

The 40 is definitely better. It tests acceleration in addition to speed. Many mph times will be very misleading because so few players get an opportunity to run near top speed in a straight line. And many are asked to run different routes which will influence it on a play by play basis.

The 40 is neither underrated nor overrated. It's just another data point in a sea of many. If all you are doing is evaluating a guy based on his 40 time, you're gonna have a bad time. Generally the 40 is used to compare to their speed in game. If they play fast, they should run a good 40. If they run a poor 40, there may be reason you'd have to look at. Similarly, if a guy looks slow on tape, but then runs a fast 40, you may have to see if he specifically trained to get a good 40 time. 

Some teams certainly put far more stock in 40 times than others (looking at you, Raiders).