Love it , number 2 for me after Ekwonu 

 

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Love it , number 2 for me after Ekwonu 

 

Like him too, as I've already said. Needs coaching but he has great talent and attitude.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I think with the max mph it’s a little limited because it says what the top speed is, not how long you can hold the speed or how long it takes to reach top speed. 

Yup.  Max speed is overrated.  Long speed matters more.  Also, how quickly can you reach 'max speed'.

8 minutes ago, justrelax said:

What does that even mean? Cooper Kupp had a 5 RAS, which is mediocre. 

The Combine means less and less to me with every passing year.

It’s simply a rating of their raw athletic ability. Nothing more. 

 

He would look nice in Philly 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Lol

If you compare the two, Hurts WR had to slow down to catch it and it was 10ish yards shorter. 

No comparison.

57 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Insight, he has it not.

But... didn't we already know that?  

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s simply a rating of their raw athletic ability. Nothing more. 

If the league's best receiver gets a mediocre rating, there's something wrong with the measuring tool.

Hurts doesn’t have the best arm. , but part of the reason guys are slowing down or balls under thrown  , isn’t always arm strength , lots of times , he is late with the throw 

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

If you compare the two, Hurts WR had to slow down to catch it and it was 10ish yards shorter. 

No comparison.

Hurts' deep ball does compare really favorably to Pickett's though.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

But... didn't we already know that?  

We did, but in case anyone forgot, he's happy to remind us.😄

 

11 minutes ago, justrelax said:

What does that even mean? Cooper Kupp had a 5 RAS, which is mediocre. 

The Combine means less and less to me with every passing year.

I think the most valuable part of the combine is probably the interview.  Who are these guys?  How much do they love football?  How much info can they retain?  That on top of what you've seen from them in college should be the bulk of it.

I coach youth soccer - there are plenty of guys that tear up drills and struggle to translate that to the field.  How good is top end speed if you can't get off the line?  Can you make up for shorter arms with great technique and more quickness?  If you can plant and shift as a route runner while the other guy stumbles, does it matter if you are a couple inches shorter?

So much of this comes down to how you use what you have, and the mental side of what they bring.

Sure, we all want prototypical measurables with a love for the game, the smarts to process what's happening, and the drive to max their talent.  Those guys are what - the top 100 players of all time?  Everything else is a tradeoff, and finding the right combination that works for this Eagles team is what I need Howie to do here.

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

If you compare the two, Hurts WR had to slow down to catch it and it was 10ish yards shorter. 

No comparison.

ESP is a boob

The Combine will be obsolete within the next 10 years.  It shows what a prospect is capable of doing (in the abstract), where game tape shows what the prospect DOES do in a game.  I'll take the guys who have excelled on the field, especially at the highest college level (currently it's SEC and CFP).  There are many Next Gen stats available and the technology is improving all the time to be able to accurately measure these prospects outside of a gym in shorts.

Always remember Orlando Brown.  He had the worst combine any prospect is capable of -- not only tested poorly in everything, but was actually sent off the field by one of the drill coaches.  Dropped him from a Round 1 prospect to Round 3 draft pick.  Then he got on the NFL field, and .... Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl.

2 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

I think the most valuable part of the combine is probably the interview.  Who are these guys?  How much do they love football?  How much info can they retain?  That on top of what you've seen from them in college should be the bulk of it.

I coach youth soccer - there are plenty of guys that tear up drills and struggle to translate that to the field.  How good is top end speed if you can't get off the line?  Can you make up for shorter arms with great technique and more quickness?  If you can plant and shift as a route runner while the other guy stumbles, does it matter if you are a couple inches shorter?

So much of this comes down to how you use what you have, and the mental side of what they bring.

Sure, we all want prototypical measurables with a love for the game, the smarts to process what's happening, and the drive to max their talent.  Those guys are what - the top 100 players of all time?  Everything else is a tradeoff, and finding the right combination that works for this Eagles team is what I need Howie to do here.

You forgot how many free throws can they make on a nerf basketball hoop?

5 minutes ago, justrelax said:

If the league's best receiver gets a mediocre rating, there's something wrong with the measuring tool.

Raw athletic ability doesn’t factor in his route running, contact balance, intelligence. 

It’s just a measure of raw athleticism. I’m not sure what your point is. No one is suggesting drafting WRs in their order of finish in the RAS.

 

Ditch the 40. Install a 50 yard top speed run. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You forgot how many free throws can they make on a nerf basketball hoop?

I actually like that. part of my job over the years has been interviewing people about a lot of things and I appreciate what you can learn from a. making them comfortable and b. not going straight at what you want to know. The player wants to get in and out delivering their canned response the best they can without f'ing anything up.  That's how they are coached by their agents. Mix things up and there's at least a chance you can get past that facade and see what's really in there.

20 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not exactly.  Willis is twice the athlete Hurts is, and Hurts' arm cannot be compared to Willis at all.  Sheer 'arm talent' alone pushes Willis up a full round from where Hurts should have been.  He is super raw, but he played at Liberty, not Alabama and OU.  He hasn't had the best coaching and truly does have upside potential.  I'm not going to stump for the kid, but if they pull the trigger on him in Round 1, I could totally understand why.  But, if they do, or any team for that matter, it needs to be done with an eye on the LONG VIEW, not for 2022.

Time to quell the Liberty mythology stuff.  Willis was a QB at Auburn his freshman and sophomore year. So SEC competition but not good enough to start at a second tier SEC team and afraid he couldn’t beat the competition his junior year there. . So transfer protocol to Liberty (I mean, Liberty, not some other conference higher level team) where he had low 60% completion rate. Did not perform well (albeit running for his life) against higher CFB teams. Wouldn’t you expect a SEC level QB to slaughter the competition at the Little Sisters of the Mercy level?  (People don’t anoint Ridder at the AAC, which is higher than Liberty.) Meanwhile, Hurts was good enough to start at two top ten CFB universities.  I don’t expect Willis to read D as well as Hurts and that isn’t a compliment. He can’t run like Hurts and huge arm velocity means little except one to two plays a game but only if you can hit targets like Rodgers and Wilson. 

Losing Amari absolutely makes the Cowboys worse. They're not replacing him. We wanted to trade for him before...

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Losing Amari absolutely makes the Cowboys worse. They're not replacing him. We wanted to trade for him before...

I would think he’s out of our price range. 

 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

BAP but there is a gap at WR.  I have doubts any of Ward, Reagor and JJAW will be on the team at the end of camp (and many may say should not be).  Well, even a run centric team needs to be able to threaten the pass.  And, if Hurts is only a placeholder, the next QB is going to need targets.  Frankly, in this season and next I would like to see the Eagles change out three WRs and add a TE that can sub for Goedert. WR is a hole, second larger (and hopefully pass catching) RB is a hole, second TE and IOL are holes.  The O isn’t as porous as the defense but there are holes.

Now, I believe that strengthening the D will allow the offense to open up.  I haven’t changed my view on Hurts’ flaws but I also believe that the Eagles went to the run to help the D some.  I think, whoever the Eagles have at QB, Sirianni will call short pass plays. 

I agree.  My issue was with the idea that adding that new WR would help Hurts improve.  It won't.  He is basically what he is at this point.  Adding more WRs won't make an appreciable difference since they've had to take the ball out of his hands throwing it to make him more effective.  

 

I'm ALL on board with improving the roster.  But, specifically improving the WR position will have minimal effect on Hurts' effectiveness, which is why I framed my question the way I did.