6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

How is it a moronic waste of resources? Do you see this defense overflowing with talent? Do you see this defense as even flat out talented?   Maybe you should stick to the CFL. 

So you have no names to throw out for discussion? And of course the defense needs help, but why wouldn't you invest the 1st round picks on rookies, where you get 5 years of cost control? Instead of a vet, who we don't really have a lot of cap space for. Tell me, do you think Khalil Mack worked out for the Bears? 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You and I disagreed during the game on this play. Again, I insist that Reagor should never be asked to run that route. He refuses to show any fight, which is required especially for that route. Coupled with Hurts noodle arm, it's a recipe for disaster. 

I hate that route with Hurts, especially on a critical 4th down. The likelihood of a late delivery and/or an underthrown ball make that nearly impossible to make successful. 

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

You and I disagreed during the game on this play. Again, I insist that Reagor should never be asked to run that route. He refuses to show any fight, which is required especially for that route. Coupled with Hurts noodle arm, it's a recipe for disaster. 

You also claimed he was the first read…

You’re asking a lot of Sirianni on that play. It was designed for two other players. Good luck calling a play on fourth and 10 that puts every eligible receiver in a position to run their best routes (not that Reagor has any). 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

You also claimed he was the first read…

You’re asking a lot of Sirianni on that play. It was designed for two other players. Good luck calling a play on fourth and 10 that puts every eligible receiver in a position to run their best routes (not that Reagor has any). 

I assume any throw Hurts makes is the first and only read. 

I actually would like to see the All 22 on that play, if anybody can find it, to see if his pre-snap read was correct (that Smith and Goedert were doubled). 

18 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

So you have no names to throw out for discussion? And of course the defense needs help, but why wouldn't you invest the 1st round picks on rookies, where you get 5 years of cost control? Instead of a vet, who we don't really have a lot of cap space for. Tell me, do you think Khalil Mack worked out for the Bears? 

 

Has Jalen Ramsey worked out for the Rams? Has Slay worked out for the Eagles?  Did DeMeco Ryan work out for the Eagles? Did Jared Allen workout for the Vikings? Did Champ Bailey work out for the Broncos? Did Charles Haley work out for the Cowboys? 

 

I do want them to use at least two of the first round picks on defensive players but at the same time you don't always know if the draft picks will pan out. The luxary of having 3 first round picks is that you can use one of them to bring in a difference maker on defense that has already established that they can play at a high level in this league if they become available this offseason while also having other firsts to try to hit on young defensive players in the draft. 

Eagles have cap space this offseason and they will only have more in the years going forward. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

I assume any throw Hurts makes is the first and only read. 

And that’s why the Hurts discussion is so bad in here. I’m not picking on you, but people talk in extremes in here, and it’s impossible to have a real discussion.  

12 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

Yes, I think that is mostly true. I’m not sure his arm strength, footwork, and decision making would necessarily lead to different results, but certainly the scheme would change dramatically. 

Agreed!

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I assume any throw Hurts makes is the first and only read. 

I actually would like to see the All 22 on that play, if anybody can find it, to see if his pre-snap read was correct (that Smith and Goedert were doubled). 

 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

And that’s why the Hurts discussion is so bad in here. I’m not picking on you, but people talk in extremes in here, and it’s impossible to have a real discussion.  

Actually if his "pre-snap" look tells him Reagor is the guy it should go to, technically this is now his first Post snap read. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

I assume any throw Hurts makes is the first and only read. 

I think we keep talking about him being a one read QB and assuming that is the first read on the tree. But I actually think it is just the first thing he sees, not necessarily what it was intended to be. 

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

 

Actually if his "pre-snap" look tells him Reagor is the guy it should go to, technically this is now his first Post snap read. 

Touché. 

1 minute ago, purplefiggy said:

I think we keep talking about him being a one read QB and assuming that is the first read on the tree. But I actually think it is just the first thing he sees, not necessarily what it was intended to be. 

To be fair, he squats down for a second just before taking the snap, so he can only see a wall of offensive linemen. 

Really boring option, but I could see Jamison Crowder as an option for the Eagles. Cheap, reliable hands, under 30.  Bargain bin pick up to replace Ward if he walks. 

10 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

 

Actually if his "pre-snap" look tells him Reagor is the guy it should go to, technically this is now his first Post snap read. 

Maybe the pre-snap told him that cause the Bucs know reagor sucks. the Bucs want him to throw it to that ass clown cause they know he won’t catch it and/or run a crap route  

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Maybe the pre-snap told him that cause the Bucs know reagor sucks. the Bucs want him to throw it to that ass clown cause they know he won’t catch it and/or run a crap route  

Well, yeah. That’s the whole point of calling defenses. 

11 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Has Jalen Ramsey worked out for the Rams? Has Slay worked out for the Eagles?  Did DeMeco Ryan work out for the Eagles? Did Jared Allen workout for the Vikings? Did Champ Bailey work out for the Broncos? Did Charles Haley work out for the Cowboys? 

 

I do want them to use at least two of the first round licks on defensive players but at the same time you don't always know if the draft picks will pan out. The luxary of having 3 first round picks is that you can use one of them to bring in a difference maker on defense that has already established that they can play at a high level in this league if they become available this offseason. 

Eagles have cap space this offseason and they will only have more in the years going forward. 

Ramsey - 2 firsts and a 4th

Slay - 3rd and a 5th 

Ryans - 4th and a swap of 3rds (that were used to draft Brandon Brooks and Foles)

Allen - 1st and 2 3rds

Bailey - A 2nd and Portis

Haley - 2nd and a 3rd

Aside from Haley, the other guys didn't win anything. Hell I don't think any of them even got to a conference championship. 

And so again I ask you, what players around the league do you think would fit into this scenario? I'm not opposed to giving up 3rd round picks, but all the guys listed above that went for third rounders or later had issues. 

You've thrown out a topic for discussion. I wouldn't part with any of our firsts for defensive vets, but when you get into packaging 3rd/4th/5th rounders, I'm more intrigued. You have to find guys that have been devalued by their own teams. So go ahead and find some, and bring them up to discuss further. Or just keep throwing out pie in the sky scenarios and go nowhere. 

 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Well, yeah. That’s the whole point of calling defenses. 

Well maybe you shouldn’t have him out there on that play knowing that is what the Bucs want. That’s the whole point of adjusting and coaching. 

21 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep....and it would be totally moronic to trade a 1st for any vet that would be available that plays those positions.  

Yessir.   It would be foolish to TRADE for a defensive player... they will cost the same as a free agent on the cap AND cost draft resources.  This team needs to get younger as much as it needs to get better.  Simply put, they need to build via the draft and trading away picks would signal that Howie has learned nothing from his recent failures.  The answer to 'fix' the roster is not in trading to cover up mistakes of the past.  This is a loaded defensive draft, so the Eagles need to hit on picks in the draft, not be foolish.  

On the flip side, if they can land a 25-26 year old that has been blocked on a deep team and that guy just needs an opportunity and they can make the signing for relatively cheap, then by all means, do it.   Otherwise... steer clear.   A trade for a guy like the Jalen Ramsey trade or the Minkah Fitzpatrick trade wouldn't make any sense for this team with their cost and the draft capital it would take.   Those guys are young studs... but this team isn't ready for that type of move.  

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Well maybe you shouldn’t have him out there on that play knowing that is what the Bucs want. That’s the whole point of adjusting and coaching. 

I mean, we had no other options unfortunately. He had to be out there. But, there should be no point in any game or situation that he's asked to run a comeback route. He can't/won't do it. And our QB doesn't have the arm to force the ball into his lazy ass. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Well maybe you shouldn’t have him out there on that play knowing that is what the Bucs want. That’s the whole point of adjusting and coaching. 

Do you think it changes things if Greg Ward runs that route? KeeSean Johnson?

We don’t have a third WR. Good luck calling plays on fourth and 10. 

So looking at veterans with expiring contracts in 2023 maybe there are a few that are worth looking into via trade. I'm just using that as a filter because maybe their current teams would rather get value via draft pick instead of a new contract.  I realize that none of these names are realistic trade targets but just looking at upcoming FA.  2023, if these guys hit the market, is going to be a loaded FA class.

Maxx Crosby- DE

Marcus Davenport- DE

Bradley Chubb- DE/LB

Roquan Smith- LB

Tremaine Edmunds- LB

Denzel Ward- CB

Greedy Williams- CB

Rock Ya-Sin- CB

Taylor Rapp- S

Von Bell- S

Derwin James (pipe dream)- S

Darrell Henderson- RB

Benny Snell- RB

AJ Brown- WR

DJ Moore- WR

Deebo Samuel- WR

Mecole Hardman- WR

 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Do you think it changes things if Greg Ward runs that route? KeeSean Johnson?

We don’t have a third WR. Good luck calling plays on fourth and 10. 

If I remember correctly, I actually think the throw was short, and wouldn’t matter much who was on the other end of it. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Do you think it changes things if Greg Ward runs that route? KeeSean Johnson?

We don’t have a third WR. Good luck calling plays on fourth and 10. 

Yup.  Which is why the team was so dependent on the running game and staying ahead of the chains.  They need 3rd and 5 or less, 4th and 5 or less.   3rd and long, 4th and long... and they were sunk.  They don't have a QB that can reliably throw past the sticks on that type of situation, nor do they have sufficient options in the receiving game to really make it viable.  4th and 10 is always bad.  4th and 10 with a QB that doesn't have the arm, and WRs that don't have the skills just makes it that much harder.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

So looking at veterans with expiring contracts in 2023 maybe there are a few that are worth looking into via trade. I'm just using that as a filter because maybe their current teams would rather get value via draft pick instead of a new contract.  I realize that none of these names are realistic trade targets but just looking at upcoming FA.  2023, if these guys hit the market, is going to be a loaded FA class.

Maxx Crosby- DE

Marcus Davenport- DE

Bradley Chubb- DE/LB

Roquan Smith- LB

Tremaine Edmunds- LB

Denzel Ward- CB

Greedy Williams- CB

Rock Ya-Sin- CB

Taylor Rapp- S

Von Bell- S

Derwin James (pipe dream)- S

Darrell Henderson- RB

Benny Snell- RB

AJ Brown- WR

DJ Moore- WR

Deebo Samuel- WR

Mecole Hardman- WR

 

No way that 2/3 of these guys ever sniff the market.  Most will be locked up by their current teams this offseason.

1 minute ago, purplefiggy said:

If I remember correctly, I actually think the throw was short, and wouldn’t matter much who was on the other end of it. 

The throw probably looks short because of the bad route by Reagor, which Sirianni alluded to. 

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Do you think it changes things if Greg Ward runs that route? KeeSean Johnson?

We don’t have a third WR. Good luck calling plays on fourth and 10. 

I much rather have Greg Ward out there the Jalen Reagor. I would have Watkins, Smith and ward out there over Jalen Reagor with how reagor was playing in that game and my trust in that dude. He was running lazy route all game long he had one that cost them a big play to goedert.

You can call say ward sucks all you want and I don’t think he’s great but  I know he’s going to give you 100% effort. I know he’s not gonna running lazy route like reagor had been doing that game. I know he’s actually had some clutch catches for the eagles (Washington game in Washington on 2019). Meanwhile I know Jalen Reagor has a high probability to run a **** route, Good odds he doesn’t catch it and he’s never had a clutch catch with the Eagles.

at some point in time when the guy is not giving you 100% effort and he’s giving you half assed route that’s not helping you anyways. How is that is your third wide receiver? At least if I’m gonna put somebody who’s not very good, I might as well do it with somebody give me 100% effort

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Ramsey - 2 firsts and a 4th

Slay - 3rd and a 5th 

Ryans - 4th and a swap of 3rds (that were used to draft Brandon Brooks and Foles)

Allen - 1st and 2 3rds

Bailey - A 2nd and Portis

Haley - 2nd and a 3rd

Aside from Haley, the other guys didn't win anything. Hell I don't think any of them even got to a conference championship. 

And so again I ask you, what players around the league do you think would fit into this scenario? I'm not opposed to giving up 3rd round picks, but all the guys listed above that went for third rounders or later had issues. 

You've thrown out a topic for discussion. I wouldn't part with any of our firsts for defensive vets, but when you get into packaging 3rd/4th/5th rounders, I'm more intrigued. You have to find guys that have been devalued by their own teams. So go ahead and find some, and bring them up to discuss further. Or just keep throwing out pie in the sky scenarios and go nowhere. 

 

 

 

You aks me? I'm the one who brought the question up for discussion.  Are you so triggered by me posting anything that you have to fly off the handle? There should be the opportunities to explore this offseason where a quality difference maker of a defensive player can become available to a trade.  I think that would be the best use of their draft capital if they don't intend on using all 3 first round picks on the draft. 

This entiew blog is filled with nothing but pie in the sky scenarios that go nowhere.  Do you have delusions that the front office is taking I to account any of your discussions on QB?