2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The throw probably looks short because of the bad route by Reagor, which Sirianni alluded to. 

po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe.

Neither one is good enough, but Hurts has a much higher value to the team, so Reagor gets the blame.   Sirianni actually tossed some shade in a back handed way at Reagor yesterday.  Not sure how many people caught it.  It was subtle and it was quick before he caught himself.

Before the season, Howie should have started the rebuild after 2019.

After the season, Howie should trade for a QB or impact defensive player to go deeper into the playoffs.

Worst mistake teams make, let a little success convince them they're better than they are and shift from adding assets to "win now" moves.

This team improved from last season, added a bunch of young talent, but they're still two years away - and it would be foolish to try an accelerate that timetable by "big moves" to win in 2022.

As far as Minshew, the fact that he was available for a 6th rd pick kinda tells you what the league thinks of him after reviewing his game film - there weren't teams more desperate for a backup QB than the Eagles this season? Minshew couldn't win with the current skill players b/c teams would just bring their safeties up to stop the run and dare him to beat them deep - we've seen this with the Detmer brothers, etc. Conversely, the additions needed to help Hurts, a big possession WR, a reliable H-back, a power back, would also give Minshew a much better shot at success in a ball control offense by giving him reliable underneath targets.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Do you think it changes things if Greg Ward runs that route? KeeSean Johnson?

We don’t have a third WR. Good luck calling plays on fourth and 10. 

Found the play:

 

Looks to me pre-snap Smith is doubled, but it also looks like Goedert and Smith run routes right into each other. Hard to see on this feed. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I much rather have Greg Ward out there the Jalen Reagor. I would have Watkins, Smith and ward out there over Jalen Reagor with how reagor was playing in that game and my trust in that dude. He was running lazy route all game long he had one that cost them a big play to goedert.

You can call say ward sucks all you want and I don’t think he’s great but  I know he’s going to give you 100% effort. I know he’s not gonna running lazy route like reagor had been doing that game. I know he’s actually had some clutch catches for the eagles (Washington game in Washington on 2019). Meanwhile I know Jalen Reagor has a high probability to run a **** route, Good odds he doesn’t catch it and he’s never had a clutch catch with the Eagles. 

You’re not gonna get any kind of argument from me that Reagor doesn’t suck. Him being out there is likely an organizational decision. He’s a liability, but he’s on the field, and it was apparently the correct decision by Hurts based on the coverage presnap.

Bowles is a really good DC. He made the Eagles play to their weakness in the passing game. Sirianni didn’t have the horses. 

Reagor is a bust who should be cut in August (no point in cutting him now). 

Acquire a veteran WR who doesn't have to be good, but most be competent.

12 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I am not suggesting going after Russell Wilson. I can see the Eagles doing it because it’s the Eagles and they covet Russell Wilson because they missed on him long ago in the draft. I would prefer going with a younger quarterback. In the past when talking about Russell Wilson I pointed out how the Eagles might view it if they go after them. And the justification youd like get with him. That doesn’t mean that’s the guy I would ultimately target

I am of the opinion you only go after a quarterback that you truly believe to be the future of your organization for a good period of time and you truly love. If you don’t love him or you don’t think they could be a long term answer then don’t do it. However this whole if they believe in this quarterback and love that QB they still shouldn’t do it because the roster is not ready it’s a bunch of BS. If you love a quarterback, he’s available and you think he’s the future go get him. 

Like we did with Wentz.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You’re not gonna get any kind of argument from me that Reagor doesn’t suck. Him being out there is likely an organizational decision. He’s a liability, but he’s on the field, and it was apparently the correct decision by Hurts based on the coverage presnap.

Bowles is a really good DC. He made the Eagles play to their weakness in the passing game. Sirianni didn’t have the horses. 

I don’t disagree with your last point I made it the day that game happened. And I’ve made it since. I also agree with you it was the correct decision by hurts to throw it to that matchup  

However if a guy is not giving me 100% effort and he’s giving me lazy route I don’t even want him to be on the field. Because even if he’s more talented than Greg Ward it makes no difference he’s half assing it so you are already at a disadvantage

personally when he was running lazy route earlier in the game I wouldve benched him then. I don’t even care if he’s more talented than other guys behind him. I’m sending a message because I’m sick and tired of reagor doing it. If you can’t give me at least 100% effort so you’re not running lazy routes then You aren’t getting on that field. 

Just now, austinfan said:

Minshew couldn't win with the current skill players b/c teams would just bring their safeties up to stop the run and dare him to bet them deep - we've seen this with the Detmer brothers, etc. Conversely, the additions needed to help Hurts, a big possession WR, a reliable H-back, a power back, would also give Minshew a much better shot at success in a ball control offense by giving him reliable underneath targets.

We saw that same thing with Hurts too, btw.   That's exactly what the Bucs did... with the added piece of a bit of a mush rush to keep him contained in the pocket or to force him to exit the pocket to his left.  

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

You aks me? I'm the one who brought the question up for discussion.  Are you so triggered by me posting anything that you have to fly off the handle? There should be the opportunities to explore this offseason where a quality difference maker of a defensive player can become available to a trade.  I think that would be the best use of their draft capital if they don't intend on using all 3 first round picks on the draft. 

This entiew blog is filled with nothing but pie in the sky scenarios that go nowhere.  Do you have delusions that the front office is taking I to account any of your discussions on QB? 

Yes I ask you. You want to give up a first rounder for some unnamed defensive player. Most people here think that foolish, as a move like that is generally made when the team is ready to challenge for a title, not when we are still rebuilding. The three firsts are far more valuable to use for an actual rebuild. Even if we only use 2 firsts, and trade the other for future picks, is a better use of resources than this unnamed defender you think will just be available. So what defender in your eyes would be a) worth giving up a first for, and b) possibly be available for said pick? That's what a discussion is you clown. 

I'm not at all triggered, I'm trying to indulge you in an actual discussion, which you refuse to have. 

44 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I assume any throw Hurts makes is the first and only read. 

I actually would like to see the All 22 on that play, if anybody can find it, to see if his pre-snap read was correct (that Smith and Goedert were doubled). 

 

5 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Like we did with Wentz.

Yes.   And it worked... for that one glorious year.   Everything after Feb 4, 2018 was a dumpster fire of awful as the whole thing came crashing down... but, the price to get Wentz to make 2017 possible was absolutely worth it.   I'd change almost everything post-Feb 4, 2018... but everything before it must remain in place.  

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I'm not at all triggered, I'm trying to indulge you in an actual discussion, which you refuse to have. 

I made that mistake recently too.  Save everyone the hassle.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Oh boy thank you. This makes me even angrier. 

Reagor literally stops when he makes his comeback. He's gotta drive hard and immediately work back to the QB. The throw is bad. 

Quez actually comes open across the middle, if Hurts just waits and lets him run. He had a clean pocket, no need to rush the throw to Reagor.

Goedert looks to run a lazy route there too. Gross all around. 

35 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Ramsey - 2 firsts and a 4th

Aside from Haley, the other guys didn't win anything. Hell I don't think any of them even got to a conference championship. 

Ramsey has a look at the conference championship this year, I wonder why that is ????  May have something to do with the QB they acquired.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes.   And it worked... for that one glorious year.   Everything after Feb 4, 2018 was a dumpster fire of awful as the whole thing came crashing down... but, the price to get Wentz to make 2017 possible was absolutely worth it.   I'd change almost everything post-Feb 4, 2018... but everything before it must remain in place.  

True. It shows what can happen when you put all your eggs in that one basket. I don’t disagree. It worked. Of course it wouldn’t have worked without a good #2 QB.

 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Oh boy thank you. This makes me even angrier. 

Reagor literally stops when he makes his comeback. He's gotta drive hard and immediately work back to the QB. The throw is bad. 

Quez actually comes open across the middle, if Hurts just waits and lets him run. He had a clean pocket, no need to rush the throw to Reagor.

Goedert looks to run a lazy route there too. Gross all around. 

But that’s a byproduct of the fact he runs lazy routes when he doesn’t think the ball is coming to him (as play called he wasn’t supposed to be the first option— became it pre-snap) and doesn’t always give you 100% effort.  And this wasn’t the first route in this game where he ran a lazy route. He had done it on previous plays. 

The number one thing that pisses me off with Jalen Reagor is not so much his drops or pitiful punt returns. It’s effort and laziness. Say whatever we want about Nelson Agholor’s issues but even when he was bad it wasn’t an effort thing. He gave you effort and by all accounts he had a relentless work ethic. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

But that’s a byproduct of the fact he runs lazy routes when he doesn’t think the ball is coming to him (as play called he wasn’t supposed to be the first option— became it pre-snap) and doesn’t always give you 100% effort.  And this wasn’t the first route in this game where he ran a lazy route. He had done it on previous plays. 

The number one thing that pisses me off with Jalen Reagor is not so much his drops or pitiful punt returns. It’s effort and laziness. Say whatever we want about Nelson Agholor’s issues but even when he was bad it wasn’t an effort thing. He gave you effort and by all accounts he had a relentless work ethic. 

Watkins also ran some lazy routes in that game. I think Morehead is on thin ice, Sirianni coached WRs, so you know he can't be happy with young WRs breaking off routes.

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Watkins also ran some lazy routes in that game. I think Morehead is on thin ice, Sirianni coached WRs, so you know he can't be happy with young WRs breaking off routes.

You have to wonder how much of the lazy route running is a product of the QB not getting through multiple reads and not making some throws.  This in no way excuses the WR's, but, when you are not seeing the ball as the 3rd and 4th read, your concentration lapses.  

4 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 

Before

After

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Keep in mind the play has to get to the 27-yard line or it's useless.  It's 4th and 10 from the 37.  Reagor could have, and should have, come back to the QB faster -- but the DB is at the 27 to break up the pass as the ball gets there.  Reagor does come back to the 27, which is where he needs to be.  The throw is late and no zip.

25 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Like we did with Wentz.

Though we were also able to move up to get Wentz at "minimal" cost, since Howie wanted to dump Chip's excessive salaries, like Maxwell and his pets, like Alfonso. And was able to get value while dumping salary.

Sometimes the stars align, but Howie didn't force those trades, he took advantage of an opportunity.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

You have to wonder how much of the lazy route running is a product of the QB not getting through multiple reads and not making some throws.  This in no way excuses the WR's, but, when you are not seeing the ball as the 3rd and 4th read, your concentration lapses.  

Was thinking the same.  The WRs are probably thinking, well this MFer ain't going to throw us a good ball anyway.

Not an excuse for lazy route running but I think deep down they don't have much faith in Hurts.

Just now, austinfan said:

Watkins also ran some lazy routes in that game. I think Morehead is on thin ice, Sirianni coached WRs, so you know he can't be happy with young WRs breaking off routes.

And I would’ve gotten on Watkins‘s ass about it too especially when we went back and watch film and you could see it.

However Jalen Reagor‘s issue started in college. This was the whole issue with him coming out besides his questionable combine. Daniel Jerimiah leading up to the draft and draft night specifically talked about this being a problem.

I am fine replacing Moorehead. I don’t think he’s done much to justify keeping him. and I’m guessing you’re right sirianni‘s not happy about that but I’m guessing sirianni at some point in the season was working with Jalen Reagor and the WRs. Frankly I think part of the reason sirianni was so attractive to the Eagles was his work with wide receivers.

I’m guessing Jalen Reagor‘s issue is not gonna be fixed with a new coach. If you’re having the same effort/laziness issue in college and now we’re 2 years in the pros, your career is on the verge of being a bust and you’re having the same issues it might just be the player doesn’t get it and he probably never will.  

6 minutes ago, justrelax said:

True. It shows what can happen when you put all your eggs in that one basket. I don’t disagree. It worked. Of course it wouldn’t have worked without a good #2 QB.

Also true.  2017 was a wonderful ride and so many things just worked out perfectly to make it oh so enjoyable.  

 

But, they found themselves in a similar position to their current spot... without a QB that they could rely on and picking at #15.   Howie maneuvered masterfully to get into that position at #2.  (Still haven't figured out how they got Miami to make the deal they did to get the Eagles to #7!).  But, this year doesn't have any QBs like Goff or Wentz that are going to go 1/2.  So, if they see the guy they want this year (hopefully they have Strong at the top of that list and not some of the other names I've seen floated), it wouldn't cost nearly the same amount of capital to make a move like that, and they'd still have a lot of eggs left to build around that QB.   The real shame is that none of these guys really looks like the guy to build around like that.    But, if they wanted to land one of these QBs... they'd likely only need to get to #5 or #6 and have their pick of the litter.  That would be a far cheaper price than moving all the way up #2.