32 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 I’m not sure about it being uncharacteristic, he knows Waddle was targeted way more, same for Chase, and I’m sure he’s not thrilled about how much less he was targeted when the Eagles changed their offense to running the ball. All the questions about his weight coming into the draft, after having one of the best seasons ever for a WR at Alabama.  He’s not a pushover by any stretch, he’s just thin.   
Folks start talking about him being possibly a number 2 receiver and I bet no one on the the Eagles will like his reaction. 

I'm not sure he's upset necessarily at the lack of targets compared to Waddle and Chase but I was thinking he's more upset at Hurts lack of accuracy which affects him.

You've seen several throws towards Devonta's direction that aren't even close.  At least give him a chance to make a play on the ball.

35 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This is what a I was referencing about the Eagles making up his speed out of thin air.

The bolded are two separate thoughts.   Not just about the speed.  

There were a significant number of red flags regarding Reagor leading up to the draft including maturity, dedication and willingness to put in the work.   

He comes to the Combine heavier than expected and lays an egg in the 40 (comparatively... he was talking about how he was going to run a 4.2 and push to beat the time posted by John Ross).  Seems he wasn't training as hard for the Combine as he should have been.

And 'seeing what they wanted' means they were looking for speed, and they saw that in him.  But, they didn't see the negatives... the plays taken off, the poor route running, the concentration lapses and the fact that he was lining up against inferior talent and out 'athleting' them, rather than beating them with technique.   

 

Flip it around and you have Jefferson who moves from the outside to the slot to make room for Chase... beats top notch defenders with technique to put up ridiculous numbers in the toughest conference in the NCAA (topped by his teammate and Omar Bayless playing in the Sun Belt conference).  The good news is, I guess, they learned from that this past year and drafted the SEC WR that put up ridiculous numbers this year.  Of course, had they drafted Jefferson the year before, they likely wouldn't have needed to dip back into the WR pool again this past year.  Who knows what they do.  I was high on Slater and thought that would have been a great pick... Slide him in at OG his rookie year and move him outside when needed after Johnson moves on.

If he stays healthy-  Dickersons turning out.     Howie did good with Smith and Dickerson

 

 

45 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I have been thinking that a Renfroe / Beasley type would be beneficial to the team if they had a QB that could really pass the ball.

Not sure if it would work for the current guy.

Nope.  Needs to be out quick and in stride to make it work properly.

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I pray they don't fall to a sunk cost fallacy with Reagor. It's time to cut bait and move on. 

Jjaw got 3 seasons and counting? Reagor going into year 3 and was a higher PIck. Hurts going into year 3 as well. 

 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I pray they don't fall to a sunk cost fallacy with Reagor. It's time to cut bait and move on. 

I'd give him until the end of camp to prove himself.  If he doesn't, then cut him.  That being said, they should definitely add .ore WRs anyway.  The entire room, other than Smith, haven't done anything to guarantee their jobs.

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I pray they don't fall to a sunk cost fallacy with Reagor. It's time to cut bait and move on. 

I would keep him through camp and bring in competition for his spot. He needs to have a very short leash.

46 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/nfl-draft-2020-jalen-reagor-tcu-combine-40-yard-dash

Yup.  Biggest flaw in the midst of that whole pandemic process... they still put more stock in analytics than tape.  🤦‍♂️.  Jefferson popped out just watching games live.  Reagor... not nearly as much.

I don't want him here in camp taking away reps for other players. He came into last camp and failed the conditioning test. Just cut him now, and move on. Best for both honestly, he needs a fresh start out of the shadow of being the pick before JJ. 

47 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I wonder if we might be better off with a bigger slot. Those help a great deal in the run game. 

Jordan Matthews 2.0?

Reagor is going to the be this offseason's "no way they bring this guy back" that gets said by every blogger, writer, podcaster, expert who will be playing 60% of the snaps Week 1.

2 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yes I ask you. You want to give up a first rounder for some unnamed defensive player. Most people here think that foolish, as a move like that is generally made when the team is ready to challenge for a title, not when we are still rebuilding. The three firsts are far more valuable to use for an actual rebuild. Even if we only use 2 firsts, and trade the other for future picks, is a better use of resources than this unnamed defender you think will just be available. So what defender in your eyes would be a) worth giving up a first for, and b) possibly be available for said pick? That's what a discussion is you clown. 

I'm not at all triggered, I'm trying to indulge you in an actual discussion, which you refuse to have. 

 

If you trade for a difference maker defensive player still in his 20s he would be part of the new core going forward.  Whenever the Eagles have rebuilt in the past they have done so by adding a younger veteran player or two to their core on defense.  Most of the time through free agency but the Eagles having 3 first round picks opens the door the possibility of obtaining one through trade as well.  

Yeah call me a clown though like a child because I brought up a topic of discussion.  You sound like such a miserable person.  

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

If you trade for a difference maker defensive player still in his 20s he would be part of the new core going forward.  Whenever the Eagles have rebuilt in the past they have done so by adding a younger veteran player or two to their core on defense.  Most of the time through free agency but the Eagles having 3 first round picks opens the door the possibility of obtaining one through trade as well.  

Yeah call me a clown though like a child because I brought up a topic of discussion.  You sound like such a miserable person.  

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Jordan Matthews 2.0?

If only. I'd love to have a GREAT player that the team and Hurts can be enamored with.

7 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Jjaw got 3 seasons and counting?

How sad is that, 3 seasons and about 3 games worth of production.

27 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I am thinking Brisker may be a must get.

The combination of athleticism, physicality and tackling ability,  versatility, and production. 

He's probably safety 1 is almost every draft except this where the ND freak is in it this year. 

It feels like a can't miss opportunity to get him at 15 or 16.

Really liking  , Pitre  , the more I watch , brings a lot to the table 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  Biggest flaw in the midst of that whole pandemic process... they still put more stock in analytics than tape.  🤦‍♂️.  Jefferson popped out just watching games live.  Reagor... not nearly as much.

I decided to torture myself and watch Reagors highlights from TCU. Seems a good chunk of his TDs came from end arounds and his receiving TDs don't look like he has much separation at all. I guess this is why we routinely see Reagor getting these short screens to get him going, which is not something a WR should be featured to do.

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Jjaw got 3 seasons and counting? Reagor going into year 3 and was a higher PIck. Hurts going into year 3 as well. 

 

Yes, JJAW should be gone too.

Hurts, they may be able to squeeze some value from in a trade, only because he's an alleged QB. 

I'd prefer all 3 players not here next year, if I had my way. 

44 minutes ago, downundermike said:

How many coaches have even gotten to Super Bowls with different teams ??  I bet it is not as many as QB's to do it.

We went through this a while ago:

Shula - 2 teams (almost can be considered 3 teams when you consider how different the 1970s Dolphins (Czonka) were from the 1980s Dolphins with Woodley and Marino)
Vermeil - 2 teams
Reid - 2 teams
Parcells - 2 teams
Reeves - 2 teams
Holmgren - 2 teams
 

Who did I miss? 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Who is going to trade a young, future star defensive player.  That is rare, and it takes more than a first.

Ramsey, two 1sts and a 4th

Adams, two 1sts and a 3rd

Mack, two 1sts, a 3rd and a 6th

 

If you are giving up two 1st's, you may as well get a QB.

 

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

If you trade for a difference maker defensive player still in his 20s he would be part of the new core going forward.  Whenever the Eagles have rebuilt in the past they have done so by adding a younger veteran player or two to their core on defense.  Most of the time through free agency but the Eagles having 3 first round picks opens the door the possibility of obtaining one through trade as well.  

Yeah call me a clown though like a child because I brought up a topic of discussion.  You sound like such a miserable person.  

what teams trade young building block level defensive players unless you are grossly overpaying for them?

Just now, downundermike said:

Who is going to trade a young, future star defensive player.  That is rare, and it takes more than a first.

Ramsey, two 1sts and a 4th

Adams, two 1sts and a 3rd

Mack, two 1sts, a 3rd and a 6th

 

If you are giving up two 1st's, you may as well get a QB.

 

And in this draft, where the consensus seems to be there's no "elite" players available in our range of picks....who is gonna do that? 

44 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I think the biggest question with Jefferson coming out was whether he could be effective in the outside since the vast majority of his college career was spent in the slot with other really good WRs in the outside at LSU.

This myth continues.  1 year in the slot.  Just 1.

44 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Which is the right approach, taking a 40 yard dash from a sprinter's stance in shorts seriously is madness.

However, top speed is less important than your get off and initial acceleration and your second gear. Dan Jones runs fast once he gets up to speed, but it takes him a while to get there.

Neither is the right approach.  Game film is the right approach.

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

How sad is that, 3 seasons and about 3 games worth of production.

at least you can argue JJAW contributed on STs.  Reagor has been a deficit player.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This myth continues.  1 year in the slot.  Just 1.

And it is irrelevant.  Jefferson has NFL size, NFL speed, and most important, NFL route running.  You can play him anywhere just as the Vikings do.

3 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

at least you can argue he contributed on STs.  Reagor has been a deficit player.

Maybe if Reagor's mom comes out and holds an umbrella for him he can become an enforcer.