5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I am sure this has been covered, I am late to the blog today.

It seems to be quite clear that the Eagles did make an offer for Russell Wilson and he would not waive his no trade clause to go to Philly or Washington.

If this does not convince you that the team is not sold on Jalen Hurts and is actively seeking a starting QB for the 2022 season, I don't know what to tell you at this point.  They can give you all the lip service in the media, that is what they are supposed to do, but I will be 100% shocked if the Eagles do not have a new starting QB by the end of draft weekend, and I think it will happen before then.

I actually just said the same thing besides your last sentence. I think they go with hurts but because they couldn’t get the QB they ultimately wanted in the trade market. (Do think they draft a QB in rounds 3-7). But it wasn’t for a lack of trying. 

The thing is people want to talk about the fact he didn’t wanna come here. The bigger story is the eagles still put out an offer to try to get him. That’s the biggest thing here. They told us twice they weren’t gonna do that cause of Hurts and then they did…  

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually just said the same thing besides your last sentence. I think they go with hurts but because they couldn’t get the QB they ultimately wanted in the trade market. (Do think they draft a QB in rounds 3-7). But it wasn’t for a lack of trying.

The thing is people want to talk about the fact he didn’t wanna come here. The bigger story is the eagles still put out an offer to try to get him. That’s the biggest thing here. They told us twice they weren’t gonna do that cause of Hurts and then they did…  

Just an effort to maximize his trade value in a package for a QB IMO

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

Just an effort to maximize his trade value in a package for a QB IMO

Very Possible. However still the biggest thing here is they made an offer (significant?) for Wilson. if Russell Wilson would’ve said yeah i want to go to the Eagles. Guess what? The Eagles would’ve done the deal. so it doesn’t really tell me the Eagles only want to go forward with hurts, it tells me if they could get a significant upgrade and better player they would make the deal. 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What it means is he is barely good enough to get you to .500, and put you in the 15th to 19th range in the draft, where you need to use multiple picks to trade up if you want a QB.  The Eagles have the resources now to get a QB, and that is exactly what they should do.

And if you think the team is sold on Hurts, you are kidding yourself.  Widely reported on social media this morning that the Eagles made a serious offer for Russ Wilson, and he would not waive his not trace clause.  The Eagles are QB hunting, the Eagles are not sold on Hurts, deal with it.

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually just said the same thing besides your last sentence. I think they go with hurts but because they couldn’t get the QB they ultimately wanted in the trade market. (Do think they draft a QB in rounds 3-7). But it wasn’t for a lack of trying. 

The thing is people want to talk about the fact he didn’t wanna come here. The bigger story is the eagles still put out an offer to try to get him. That’s the biggest thing here. They told us twice they weren’t gonna do that cause of Hurts and then they did…  

I think most posters in here recognized Lowie's lip service....between the rumors last year of going after Z Wilson, Watson, R Wilson, et al.....it's obvious they aren't satisfied with Hurts. It's only dolts and trolls that seem to think they want Hurts as the starter this year. He may very well end up being the starter, but it won't be for lack of trying to replace him. 

Who do you think is definitely gone before #15...

OT - Ekwonu, Neal, Cross
EDGE - Hutch, Thib, Walker
S - Hamilton
CB - Gardner, Stingley
LB - Lloyd
WR -  Not sure who, but at least one WR should be taken

Edited

The kid still going all in on Howie to get a line backer.   Get him Gio.

 

 

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Who do you think is definitely gone before #15...

OT - Ekwonu, Neal, Cross
EDGE - Hutch, Thib, Walker
CB - Gardner, Stingley
LB - Lloyd
WR -  Not sure who, but at least one WR should be taken

Hamilton? Even with a poor combine, he'll go top 10 still I think. Karlaftis might sneak in there too...but I think he'll go in the early 20s. 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

 

I think most posters in here recognized Lowie's lip service....between the rumors last year of going after Z Wilson, Watson, R Wilson, et al.....it's obvious they aren't satisfied with Hurts. It's only dolts and trolls that seem to think they want Hurts as the starter this year. He may very well end up being the starter, but it won't be for lack of trying to replace him. 

Agree with this but really 100% with this bolded part.

Which is what I have been saying for almost a year now that the Eagles will actively try to upgrade the position if they feel it’s a significant upgrade to the position cause of the position. Ultimately I don’t think they’re gonna be able to accomplish it. That’s always been my thoughts. But it’s not gonna be for my lack of trying. If they could get Wilson or watson for the price they’re willing to pay and they'd  come here they would do it.

I don’t want Amari Cooper here, but If he didnt want Kirk Cousins, why on earth would he want Tim Tebow? 

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Who do you think is definitely gone before #15...

OT - Ekwonu, Neal, Cross
EDGE - Hutch, Thib, Walker
CB - Gardner, Stingley
LB - Lloyd
WR -  Not sure who, but at least one WR should be taken

I could see Lloyd slipping to us

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

The kid still going all in on Howie to get a line backer.   Get him Gio.

 

 

Meh. What's the point? If were not a QB away from competing were certainly not a 32 year old ILB away. 

49ers have had a good but not great defense the last three years, 8, 17, 9 in points allowed.

Their problem with Garoppolo is more health than performance, the two years he was healthy:

2019:  13-3, beat Minn 27-10, beat GB 37-20, lost to KC 31-20.

2021:  10-7, beat Dallas 23-17, beat GB 13-10, lost to LA 17-20 (dropped Int)

I think Hurts may become as good or better than Garoppolo, who is not a top ten QB. We'll see, but this would only take incremental improvement.

The pendulum is swinging back to defense and power running games, not all the way back, but enough that you can win with defense and ball control again.

The move toward faster, smaller defenses and safeties a couple steps deeper is nullifying the deep passing game, but makes defenses vulnerable to power running.

This suggests you can win with something akin to the SF formula (they use a power passing game with Samuel and Juszczyk and Kittle).

Note in six PO games, only one team scored more than 20 against SF and that was a powerhouse KC offense - they shut down Rodgers twice, Romo, Cousins and Stafford.

 

Sirianni has been honest about Hurts, he's not worried about arm strength, but accuracy and recognition.

Basically, improve mechanics and a lot of film work to read defenses faster and anticipate your WRs coming open - and that can be developed.

By the end of this coming season it'll be obvious whether Hurts has taken the next step - and if not, you don't have to go find an elite QB if you build a top ten defense, have a power running game behind an elite OL and a possession WR to go with Goedert - just someone like a durable Garoppolo.

 

1 hour ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

All these people complaining about QB hell what were we supposed to do? Rodgers was never ever coming here 😂😂 I mean just stop. Wilson only would go to Denver. Jimmy G is a fing scrub. What were we "supposed” to do? Next year we have at least an opportunity to draft a real one outside of that I don’t get what we were supposed to do?

I don't think drafting a rookie from this class makes sense.  The best solution is to stay with Hurts.  Any other solution is a waste of resources and it won't improve the team.  I do think they should think about acquiring more draft capital for next season.  

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The kid still going all in on Howie to get a line backer.   Get him Gio.

 

 

An aging LB to go with our aging DT, DE, CB, S (if McLeod is brought back). No thanks. Time to turn the table to youth.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The kid still going all in on Howie to get a line backer.   Get him Gio.

 

 

I mean I'm hoping we don't spend money on Wagner but I'm not blaming a 14 year old for wanting to sign an aging vet because he's already been so traumatized by Howie ignoring the position.  

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Hamilton? Even with a poor combine, he'll go top 10 still I think. Karlaftis might sneak in there too...but I think he'll go in the early 20s. 

Yup.  My bad.

Nick Cross on GMF. He is rising. Think he will not make it out of round 2

Standing on a 4.55…

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I mean I'm hoping we don't spend money on Wagner but I'm not blaming a 14 year old for wanting to sign an aging vet because he's already been so traumatized by Howie ignoring the position.  

Howie should ask Gio to introduce our first pick…. Devin Lloyd

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Yup.  My bad.

Could safely place 1-2 QB, Jordan Davis there as well

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

49ers have had a good but not great defense the last three years, 8, 17, 9 in points allowed.

Their problem with Garoppolo is more health than performance, the two years he was healthy:

2019:  13-3, beat Minn 27-10, beat GB 37-20, lost to KC 31-20.

2021:  10-7, beat Dallas 23-17, beat GB 13-10, lost to LA 17-20 (dropped Int)

I think Hurts may become as good or better than Garoppolo, who is not a top ten QB. We'll see, but this would only take incremental improvement.

The pendulum is swinging back to defense and power running games, not all the way back, but enough that you can win with defense and ball control again.

The move toward faster, smaller defenses and safeties a couple steps deeper is nullifying the deep passing game, but makes defenses vulnerable to power running.

This suggests you can win with something akin to the SF formula (they use a power passing game with Samuel and Juszczyk and Kittle).

Note in six PO games, only one team scored more than 20 against SF and that was a powerhouse KC offense - they shut down Rodgers twice, Romo, Cousins and Stafford.

 

Sirianni has been honest about Hurts, he's not worried about arm strength, but accuracy and recognition.

Basically, improve mechanics and a lot of film work to read defenses faster and anticipate your WRs coming open - and that can be developed.

By the end of this coming season it'll be obvious whether Hurts has taken the next step - and if not, you don't have to go find an elite QB if you build a top ten defense, have a power running game behind an elite OL and a possession WR to go with Goedert - just someone like a durable Garoppolo.

 

Well that's not true. The top 5 rushing teams last year were us, Indy, Baltimore, Cleveland and Tennessee. Baltimore, Cleveland and Indy didn't even make the playoffs, and between the Titans and Eagles, they amassed a whopping zero wins. A strong running game will get you to 9-10 wins, but in the playoffs you have to be able to pass. Hurts simply cannot pass against good teams. Look what Tampa did to us, completely neutralized our run game and dared Hurts to throw it. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Standing on a 4.55…

One can assume he tried a few sprints yesterday in preparation, and didn't clock faster.

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Sirianni has been honest about Hurts

No, he hasn't, that's why they made a legitimate offer to acquire Russ Wilson.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

One can assume he tried a few sprints yesterday in preparation, and didn't clock faster.

Plays fast

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean I'm hoping we don't spend money on Wagner but I'm not blaming a 14 year old for wanting to sign an aging vet because he's already been so traumatized by Howie ignoring the position.  

It is not specifically about Wagner, but the kid has been all in, even on live TV at the combine to get a LB.