3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

They'll bring Reagor back b/c there is no cost to doing so. But he'll be on a short leash, and may not make it out of training camp.

The cost is him being a net negative to them as a whole. He's unredeemable here. Cut him now and focus on bringing in somebody who can actually provide positive returns. 

Just now, austinfan said:

Problem is it isn't game film against NFL teams. So you need some metrics to put what you see on film in perspective, does he look fast b/c he's matched up against less athletic opponents?

Yeah, his game film where he didn't really look all that impressive was against some of the weakest defenses in the entire country.   Should have been another red flag.  

 

But top speed is far less important to me than sustained speed anyway.  

top speed... 

 

 

sustained speed? 

 

So, who is actually 'faster'?  

 

Pfft. Should have had Jalens spidey sense and dodged that car

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And all he surrounds himself off the field with is people that talk him up, say he is great, say "next year he'll show you!" He's a lost cause. No desire to actually improve. No desire to be a professional. Just all talk.

And his dad... same deal.  A former NFL player, you'd think, would be more realistic.

3 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

so, what have we learned here with Reagor and Hurts?

It takes both TALENT and INTANGIBLES to become the impact player you are looking for.  One or the other just won't be enough.  That's why I'm more willing to take risks with injury over talent or head/heart like Dickerson.  All players come with risk, but for me, if they don't love to play the game and have a drive to be great, then they'd better have an insane talent level to make up the difference.

Nah... I think that the elite level talents that still don't love the game just leave you heart broken in the end as well.  

2 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

so, what have we learned here with Reagor and Hurts?

It takes both TALENT and INTANGIBLES to become the impact player you are looking for.  One or the other just won't be enough.  That's why I'm more willing to take risks with injury over talent or head/heart like Dickerson.  All players come with risk, but for me, if they don't love to play the game and have a drive to be great, then they'd better have an insane talent level to make up the difference.

IMO, if they don't have the want, drive or love to play the game, I wouldn't even bother. At worst you end up with a no talent like Danny Watkins, at best you end up with a Josh Gordon. 

20 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Really liking  , Pitre  , the more I watch , brings a lot to the table 

I think you mentioned him the other day. He is intriguing. I need to watch. 

I know I liked Varone McKinley as a guy who hasnt been  hyped as much as Brisker and Hill.

But I have really, really been liking the idea of Brisker. I feel like if he is available theres no reason to pass on him. 

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

They'll bring Reagor back b/c there is no cost to doing so. But he'll be on a short leash, and may not make it out of training camp.

The cost is reps and time invested.  Reps and time invested in him is reps and time that can't be invested in someone else.  

27 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This myth continues.  1 year in the slot.  Just 1.

Neither is the right approach.  Game film is the right approach.

How bout the vast majority of his college production came from the slot, as I remember he only played 1 year in the outside in college as a sophomore and then a JR he played in the slot 

So 1 year on the outside one year I. The slot where he had majority of his production.

It's not a myth.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah... I think that the elite level talents that still don't love the game just leave you heart broken in the end as well.  

I guess it depends where you are taking them and how much you put into them.  At the top of the draft, absolutely.  Get into the 4th round though or if you are looking for depth, I'm less concerned.  At least there the risk is worth the potential reward.

Just now, Utebird said:

How bout the vast majority of his college production came from the slot, as I remember he only played 1 year in the outside in college as a sophomore and then a JR he played in the slot 

So I year in the outside one year I. The slot where he had majority of his production.

It's not a myth.

Sure.  Let's go with that.  What he's shown in the NFL is that 'he's a slot' argument is pure myth.  Anyone who actually WATCHED HIM PLAY, knew that he wasn't just a slot.  Myth.

Just now, purplefiggy said:

I guess it depends where you are taking them and how much you put into them.  At the top of the draft, absolutely.  Get into the 4th round though or if you are looking for depth, I'm less concerned.  At least there the risk is worth the potential reward.

Fair enough.  Day 3 picks you are always going to have to compromise on something.  Though, even then, I think I go with the crazy kid who loves football over the uber-talent because the crazy kid that loves the game will be stoked to play ST if that's his only shot, whereas the uber-talent likely pouts.  

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Problem is it isn't game film against NFL teams. So you need some metrics to put what you see on film in perspective, does he look fast b/c he's matched up against less athletic opponents?

How does any college player's game film get evaluated then?

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Problem is it isn't game film against NFL teams. So you need some metrics to put what you see on film in perspective, does he look fast b/c he's matched up against less athletic opponents?

Jefferson's film was against a ton of guys who will be drafted early and play well in the NFL.

Reagor's film was in a conference of scrubs.

 

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And all he surrounds himself off the field with is people that talk him up, say he is great, say "next year he'll show you!" He's a lost cause. No desire to actually improve. No desire to be a professional. Just all talk.

Sadly, that seems to be the case. He doesn’t seem to hold himself accountable for anything. 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Sadly, that seems to be the case. He doesn’t seem to hold himself accountable for anything. 

Worse yet is that he pushes away anyone else who does as well. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And all he surrounds himself off the field with is people that talk him up, say he is great, say "next year he'll show you!" He's a lost cause. No desire to actually improve. No desire to be a professional. Just all talk.

I have no idea how he approaches the game.  At a certain point either he has the talent or not. I don't see unrealized talent.  I just see a lack of it. I don't foresee him changing his issues based on his attitude.  I don't think his route running is going to change suddenly if he just humbles up and learns.  I think he has gotten where he can go with it.  Also it's not just his limits as a receiver but his on the field mistakes.  He has dropped key passes.  I mean despite multiple opportunities he has done nothing as a punt returner and was a liability when the wind made it difficult.  So the pressure was on and the conditions were difficult and Reagor choked on the moment.  I don't see that changing.  He's not going to get faster or shiftier.  

We did see Agholor improve in his third year and maybe we shouldn't give up hope because of his improvement.  Agholor had shown talent but struggled against good press coverage.  He had issues with drops and consistency.    In 2017 was a player he greatly improved when there was no spotlight on his play and he played inside.   He had a much easier time getting open in the slot. He wasn't a number 1 receiver and the top outside target.  He actually produced more first downs than any other receiver that season on third downs.  He had confidence but it was fragile. Once he dropped that pass in 2019, he was done.  It's still who he is.  He's been productive but he's deficiencies have changed. 

Just an awesome play by Stafford looking to his left at kupp and then last second going to his right and hitting the wr with a dime. 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think you mentioned him the other day. He is intriguing. I need to watch. 

I know I liked Varone McKinley as a guy who hasnt been  hyped as much as Brisker and Hill.

But I have really, really been liking the idea of Brisker. I feel like if he is available theres no reason to pass on him. 

McKinley right there with  Petrie for me  , two of my favorite players 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I keep hearing formers players say, "It’s not about the coach’s attitude. He can be cool/tough/whatever. It’s about if you believe him to be genuine.” From the outside, Sirianni appears to be a passionate, genuine guy. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

One of the J's in JJAW's name, better stand for Jalen.  

I think it’s just junk awful waste 

32 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is it even that high?  

Exactly what I was wondering. 

26 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You could replace Reagor's name with Hurts as well. Neither has improved any of the weaknesses they had coming into the league. 

This is false. Hurts is better in year 2 than year 1. Whether that's good enough is a different discussion

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just an awesome play by Stafford looking to his left at kupp and then last second going to his right and hitting the wr with a dime. 

Wait, why isn't Stafford squatting before the snap? Isn't that what QB's do?