Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  We kinda need a QB.  

kinda?  I was thinking 'obviously'... but we can go with your softer stance. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

all due respect to Travis, for once, we got the right brother.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

This is false. Hurts is better in year 2 than year 1. Whether that's good enough is a different discussion

Weaknesses:

Very limited passer

Struggles to see the field

Poor vision

Struggles to read defenses

Slow to work through progressions

Not an accurate passer

One-read quarterback

Arm strength is average

Personality issues

 

That was his pre-draft report. Which of those areas do you think he's improved in? I'll give you personality issues, I suppose....

 

Just now, purplefiggy said:

all due respect to Travis, for once, we got the right brother.

I mean, you're splitting hairs here....both are pretty, pretty, pretty good. 

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah... I think that the elite level talents that still don't love the game just leave you heart broken in the end as well.  

This is what worries me about Jordan Davis. How could a giant with insane quickness not dominate on every play?

1 minute ago, purplefiggy said:

all due respect to Travis, for once, we got the right brother.

undoubtedly.  One for a million ain't bad. 

 

But, I think you are being a little disrespectful to Vince DiMaggio. 

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.  Let's go with that.  What he's shown in the NFL is that 'he's a slot' argument is pure myth.  Anyone who actually WATCHED HIM PLAY, knew that he wasn't just a slot.  Myth.

Plenty of scouts watched him play and that was a worry, if it wasn't he would have gone higher than the 5th WR taken.

Did Jefferson himself prove that he could play on the outside in the pros, yes but until then he hadn't and a general worry was that he would be a slot, and as stated I believe that notion scared the eagles off because if their previous experience with agholor whom they drafted to be the guy and was just a slot.

Would be interesting to know if the eagles didn't draft agholor that maybe they would have been more open to drafting Jefferson?

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Name one thing he is better at.  

Dodging railings and fans.

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Pfft. Should have had Jalens spidey sense and dodged that car

She didn't fumble the microphone. Maybe she can return punts? 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 

Name one thing he is better at.  

nowhere near good enough, but I think he has shown progress in hanging in the pocket longer and not taking off as fast.  but better is relative here.  If he was in the basement before, he's half way to the first floor.

55 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

what teams trade young building block level defensive players unless you are grossly overpaying for them?

 

Teams in bad cap space situations, teams with players that are unhappy and want to be moved, teams with players that are coming up eligible for a new contract but those teams aren't necessarily wanting to pay them what they want. 

 

For example the Falcons are a team that should really enter a complete rebuild.  They are nearly $6M over the cap in 2022.  Maybe they consider trading Deion Jones? 

 

Saints are over $71M over the cap in 2022.  It's a long shot dream scenario but maybe there is a way to pry Lattimore from them. If they entertained a trade for him, doubtful, would likely require multiple firsts but he's a player that might be worth that especially considering his age. 

 

Vikings are over $12M over the salary cap.  They really should be entering a rebuild with a new GM and HC.  Maybe Danielle Hunter could become available?  He missed 2020 due to injury and then got injured again last year but had 6 sacks through 7 games before that occurred.  An elite pass rusher at only 27 years old. 

7 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

all due respect to Travis, for once, we got the right brother.

We could have had both.  

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is false. Hurts is better in year 2 than year 1. Whether that's good enough is a different discussion

He regressed in the second half of the year

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Plenty of scouts watched him play and that was a worry, if it wasn't he would have gone higher than the 5th WR taken.

Did Jefferson himself prove that he could play on the outside in the pros, yes but until then he hadn't and a general worry was that he would be a slot, and as stated I believe that notion scared the eagles off because if their previous experience with agholor whom they drafted to be the guy and was just a slot.

Would be interesting to know if the eagles didn't draft agholor that maybe they would have been more open to drafting Jefferson?

Strengths:

Mismatch height, length

Red-zone weapon

Tracks the ball well

High points the ball well

Quality route runner

Solid hands

Enough speed to get downfield

Leaping ability

Very good body control

Adjusts well

Experienced and successful against good college programs

Late hands

Great practice player

Pushes teammates to get better

 

Weaknesses:

Not a burner

May lack deep speed for the NFL

Leaner frame

May not be a big separation receiver

Could be better off as a No. 2 receiver

Could stand to fill out his frame

Should add strength

 

Summary: Jefferson was a top recruit when he selected LSU, and it took some time for Jefferson to live up to the hype. He made a single catch as a freshman, but broke out as sophomore with 54 receptions for 875 yards and six touchdowns. In 2019, the junior was a superb weapon for Joe Burrow producing a lot of big plays for the Tigers' point-machine offense. Jefferson recorded 111 catches for 1,540 yards and 18 touchdowns. He then helped himself at the NFL Scouting Combine with a 4.43-second time in the 40-yard dash.

There is a lot to like about Jefferson for the NFL, as he has the skill set to be an effective starting receiver. He has mismatch height and length with solid hands, leaping ability, and body control downfield. That makes him very dangerous to make receptions over defensive backs and come down with contested catches even when he is covered. Jefferson high points the ball and is a dangerous red-zone weapon. While Jefferson is not a burner, he has enough quickness to get downfield and challenge defenses. He is a weapon to work the sideline and be tough wideout to defend on back shoulder, fades and slants.

Jefferson may not be a big separation receiver as a pro because he may not have elite speed to run by pro cornerbacks. He could be better off as a No. 2 receiver playing off a No. 1 and taking advantage of single coverage. It would help Jefferson to add some strength and fill out his frame for the next level.

There are some projections of Jefferson being a first-round pick in the 2020 NFL Draft. Some team sources say Jefferson could have a hard time making it into Round 1 because of the plethora of wide receiver prospects. Jefferson could be a good value pick in the second round and has a shot at going earlier.

Another bonus for Jefferson is that sources say the LSU staff raved to teams about Jefferson as a kid and worker. They say he also is a tremendous practice player who loves to compete and makes his teammates better by challenging them on the practice field. Jefferson is on the bubble of the first and second round, but that feedback could help get him into Thursday night.

 

That's JJ's scouting report. Don't see anything about a concern of him only being a slot guy. Concern about his deep speed, but he ran a 4.43 40 which is plenty fast enough. And sure enough, as a #2 guy beside Thielen, he thrived. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Etch-A-Sketch hair? Or just overall Swag?

funny thing is, if he was a better QB, Philly would LOVE Hurts.

Just now, Utebird said:

Plenty of scouts watched him play and that was a worry, if it wasn't he would have gone higher than the 5th WR taken.

Did Jefferson himself prove that he could play on the outside in the pros, yes but until then he hadn't and a general worry was that he would be a slot, and as stated I believe that notion scared the eagles off because if their previous experience with agholor whom they drafted to be the guy and was just a slot.

Would be interesting to know if the eagles didn't draft agholor that maybe they would have been more open to drafting Jefferson?

Should have been 4th, easily.  

 

He had proven he could play on the outside, his sophomore season... he did and did well, just not as ridiculously productive.    

BTW... Agholor supposedly had proved he could play outside in college prior to having been drafted.   whoops.  So, maybe knowing if a guy can or can't play inside or outside is about more than just where they lined up.

 

Water under the bridge now.  Eagles screwed up... at the WR position... like they normally do.

Freddie Mitchell?  Reggie Brown?  Kenny Jackson?  Long list of mistakes in the top 2 rounds of the draft.

Lol and here's Reagors pre-draft:

Strengths:

Elite speed

Extremely fast

Rare speed and explosiveness

Play-maker

Home run hitter

Forces teams to keep a safety deep

Impacts game plans

Quick release off of the line

First-step quickness

Stretches the defense

Explosive out of cuts

Threat to score on any touch

Sudden out of breaks

Creates separation with his pure speed

Can defeat double teams

Good athleticism

Position himself well to make catches

Dangerous returner on special teams

Potential to be one of the most potent speed receivers in the NFL

 

Weaknesses:

Shorter than ideal

Needs a lot of coaching on route running

Can have minor bouts of drops

Not a big catch radius

Not a receiver to win 50-50 passes

 

Summary: Reagor was one of the most dangerous receivers in college football over the past three years. In 2017 as a sophomore, he showed the ability to put points on the board, scoring eight times in only 33 catches for 576 yards and eight scores. He was even better in 2018, making 72 receptions for 1,061 yards with nine touchdowns.

In 2019, Reagor notched 43 catches for 611 yards and five touchdowns while also providing big plays as a punt returner. He burned cornerbacks and got open deep downfield for long touchdown receptions, but TCU's terrible quarterback play missed him constantly. With a competent quarterback, Reagor would be have had a massive season with a lot of long touchdowns.

Reagor is a speed demon who is a true home run hitter with mismatch speed. The ultra fast wideout can take the top off of a defense and is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball, similar to DeSean Jackson, Marquise 'Hollywood' Brown or Will Fuller. Reagor uses his speed to create separation and shows a nice ability to track the ball downfield. For a speed receiver who lacks size, he looks comfortable with defenders around him and does not seem to get afraid of hits coming his direction. Even though Reagor isn't a big receiver, he does a nice job of positioning himself to make contested catches.

Team sources say Reagor has no clue how to run a route and will need to be coached up on that. He has above average hands for a smaller speed receiver, but drops passes once in awhile. While being a dangerous receiver, Reagor also brings added value on special teams because he could be a dynamic returner in the NFL.

Reagor is worthy of being a late first-round pick in the 2020 NFL Draft, but he probably will get selected in the second round. He could be a game-changing receiver as a pro.

 

 

So basically, his greatest attribute was his speed, which he then completely negated by adding 15 lbs pre combine. What an idiot. 

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is false. Hurts is better in year 2 than year 1. Whether that's good enough is a different discussion

He improved very little IMO. He also reverted right back to square 1 in the wildcard game

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Strengths:

Mismatch height, length

Red-zone weapon

Tracks the ball well

High points the ball well

Quality route runner

Solid hands

Enough speed to get downfield

Leaping ability

Very good body control

Adjusts well

Experienced and successful against good college programs

Late hands

Great practice player

Pushes teammates to get better

 

Weaknesses:

Not a burner

May lack deep speed for the NFL

Leaner frame

May not be a big separation receiver

Could be better off as a No. 2 receiver

Could stand to fill out his frame

Should add strength

 

Summary: Jefferson was a top recruit when he selected LSU, and it took some time for Jefferson to live up to the hype. He made a single catch as a freshman, but broke out as sophomore with 54 receptions for 875 yards and six touchdowns. In 2019, the junior was a superb weapon for Joe Burrow producing a lot of big plays for the Tigers' point-machine offense. Jefferson recorded 111 catches for 1,540 yards and 18 touchdowns. He then helped himself at the NFL Scouting Combine with a 4.43-second time in the 40-yard dash.

There is a lot to like about Jefferson for the NFL, as he has the skill set to be an effective starting receiver. He has mismatch height and length with solid hands, leaping ability, and body control downfield. That makes him very dangerous to make receptions over defensive backs and come down with contested catches even when he is covered. Jefferson high points the ball and is a dangerous red-zone weapon. While Jefferson is not a burner, he has enough quickness to get downfield and challenge defenses. He is a weapon to work the sideline and be tough wideout to defend on back shoulder, fades and slants.

Jefferson may not be a big separation receiver as a pro because he may not have elite speed to run by pro cornerbacks. He could be better off as a No. 2 receiver playing off a No. 1 and taking advantage of single coverage. It would help Jefferson to add some strength and fill out his frame for the next level.

There are some projections of Jefferson being a first-round pick in the 2020 NFL Draft. Some team sources say Jefferson could have a hard time making it into Round 1 because of the plethora of wide receiver prospects. Jefferson could be a good value pick in the second round and has a shot at going earlier.

Another bonus for Jefferson is that sources say the LSU staff raved to teams about Jefferson as a kid and worker. They say he also is a tremendous practice player who loves to compete and makes his teammates better by challenging them on the practice field. Jefferson is on the bubble of the first and second round, but that feedback could help get him into Thursday night.

 

That's JJ's scouting report. Don't see anything about a concern of him only being a slot guy. Concern about his deep speed, but he ran a 4.43 40 which is plenty fast enough. And sure enough, as a #2 guy beside Thielen, he thrived. 

The worry was he would be a slot because that's where he was most successful in college, he almost doubled his production on the slot from the previous year in the outside.

But yeah his good combine times I'm sure eased a lot of those concerns for teams but apparently not the eagles.

 

21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I think he'll be back at least 1 more year.

Makes you wonder what he might do post career?  Maybe he goes on TV or gets into coaching.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

We could have had both.  

I wouldn't trade Zach Ertz for Travis Kelce... for one reason and one reason only...

Butterfly effect.... don't change anything that might change THIS moment.

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

 

Personally I liked tee Higgins, and I knew he would probably go 2nd round, I was in favor of eagles trading down and taking him but they weren't looking for a big receiver.

 

Me too. And now Higgins is rotting on the vine in Cincinatti because Burrow ignores him in favor of his old teammate Chase and Uzomah and everyone but Tee.

Meanwhile the birds are overloaded with RBs. We should stick with Scott and Gainswell and TRADE SANDERS FOR TEE HIGGINS. Win-win for everyone.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Then it would have only been goofy or corny. 

She did show a calm demeanor after she got up

4 minutes ago, eaglegenius said:

Me too. And now Higgins is rotting on the vine in Cincinatti because Burrow ignores him in favor of his old teammate Chase and Uzomah and everyone but Tee.

Meanwhile the birds are overloaded with RBs. We should stick with Scott and Gainswell and TRADE SANDERS FOR TEE HIGGINS. Win-win for everyone.

Bengals have Mixon who is far superior to Sanders.  

14 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Weaknesses:

Very limited passer

Struggles to see the field

Poor vision

Struggles to read defenses

Slow to work through progressions

Not an accurate passer

One-read quarterback

Arm strength is average

Personality issues

I don't know where you got these from.  Jalen Hurts the person was considered a plus coming out. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

He regressed in the second half of the year

I don't know if he regressed in the second half of the year.  I think he was just inconsistent.  His best game was against Atlanta and his worst game was against the Giants.  He looked like at times he was making progress in terms of patience in the pocket but those issues cropped back up again.  The same could be said about his mechanics and taking too long to get set.  He made more throws over the middle as the season progressed but I don't think he threw a single seam route.  He has a long long way to go.  I don't think it got worse but I didn't see an upward tick.