1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Not dysfunctional?  We have a guy running the entire show who hired a coach, lost power to that coach, then used his influence with the owner to get that coach fired.  Hired another coach, coach won the Super Bowl then 3 years gets fired the first time he missed the playoffs since the Super Bowl.  All sorts of reports over the GM getting too involved and rubbing that coach the wrong way.  Same GM signs young QB to huge new deal then the next season drafts a QB in the second round.  The young QB can't stand the GM and does not want to play on the team anymore because of him and forces his way out.

Howie Roseman is not a GM that Watson would want to come and play for.  Watson wants out because he wanted influence in the Texans decision making on their roster and coaching hires.  He didn't get that so he wanted out.  

You seem to be existing with a certain level of delusion surrounding the Eagles.  Yesterday you weren't able to accept the reality that Wilson didn't want to come to the Eagles and came up with this scenario that didn't make any sense where if the Eagles offered 10 first round picks that the Seahawks would have then convinced Russell to waive his no trade clause.  

You just made up the bolded parts. Chip got fired because he made terrible executive decisions, sold Lurie on cutting DeSean and trading McCoy(which Lurie was hesitant to do) and then traded for Bradford who was terrible and it blew up in his face. Chip was fired because he was destroying the team. It had nothing to do with this back room influence you totally made up.

You're blaming Howie for Wentz wanting out when he's now on his 3rd team in 2 years? Lol please. Wentz is a loser who can't work with anyone. Wentz wanted out because he's a whiny crybaby ****.

You have no idea how much Watson even knows about Howie. For one, Howie is widely respected around the league... as much as I'm not a fan of him. GMs talk highly of him, Andrew Berry called him the best GM in the sport. You baselessly made up that Watson wouldn't want to play for him.

I have no delusions with the Eagles. I am pretty naunced with how I view them. A very average team that does some things really well and some things poorly. You are trying to swim in a pool of cynicism not based in facts or evidence.

Carolina and Tampa Bay are much more likely destinations for Watson than Philly, but it'll be amusing to read the comments when the trade is done

"What, that's all it took to get Watson??  Frickin' Howie!!"

 

While being oblivious that the player has a no-trade clause and has repeatedly said he won't waive it for the Eagles.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No idea what that means.  

Lurie has a butler standing by to blow the whistle for Lurie, just as he has his proxy to make the draft picks he wants and allows the proxy take the hit.

FO had Wentz at #16, Hurts at #17 as passers. Hurts had more total DYAR due to his running ability.

Difference is Wentz is now 30 with 6 years experience as a starter, Hurts is 24 with one year as a starter, who has more upside?

Wentz isn't horrible, he's just a pain in the ass b/c after his knee injury,  he lost the athleticism that let him play like vintage Favre. But he still thinks he can, so he hasn't worked on his mechanics (elongated motion) or his reads. But he shows you that both a big arm and fancy raw stats are overrated - because when the season is on the line he'll make key mistakes.

But he's still better than a dozen or so starters around the league.

Just now, austinfan said:

FO had Wentz at #16, Hurts at #17 as passers. Hurts had more total DYAR due to his running ability.

Difference is Wentz is now 30 with 6 years experience as a starter, Hurts is 24 with one year as a starter, who has more upside?

Wentz isn't horrible, he's just a pain in the ass b/c after his knee injury,  he lost the athleticism that let him play like vintage Favre. But he still thinks he can, so he hasn't worked on his mechanics (elongated motion) or his reads. But he shows you that both a big arm and fancy raw stats are overrated - because when the season is on the line he'll make key mistakes.

But he's still better than a dozen or so starters around the league.

It's not even about upside. Hurts is on a rookie 2nd round contract, Wentz isn't. Neither is gonna win you a Super Bowl.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

FO had Wentz at #16, Hurts at #17 as passers. Hurts had more total DYAR due to his running ability.

Difference is Wentz is now 30 with 6 years experience as a starter, Hurts is 24 with one year as a starter, who has more upside?

Wentz isn't horrible, he's just a pain in the ass b/c after his knee injury,  he lost the athleticism that let him play like vintage Favre. But he still thinks he can, so he hasn't worked on his mechanics (elongated motion) or his reads. But he shows you that both a big arm and fancy raw stats are overrated - because when the season is on the line he'll make key mistakes.

But he's still better than a dozen or so starters around the league.

Just so we are clear... what is Hurts' upside in your eyes?  

7 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

There are teams where it wouldn't be on every morning sports radio show, every other article written, etc.

Wentz is one year removed and he is still talked about.

I think you guys serious underestimate how much of a powder keg it can be playing here.

How is anything related to Wentz comparable to Watson sexual assault scandal that took him out for an entire season

It will get brought up wherever Watson goes

9 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

And it keeps coming

I do wonder what Doug thinks of Wentz flaming out after going to an environment that was going to get the most out of him. 

If it’s true that they didn’t even speak to each other for multiple weeks during the season it’s safe to say DP had his mind made up despite all the nice things he had to say..

The Eagles turnaround is no surprise, Howie learns from his mistakes, which is rare among GMs.

Last year he killed the draft, Smith, Dickerson, Williams and turned a 3rd into a 2023 1st and got the player he wanted.

This year watch him control the first couple rounds, because anyone who wants a player that falls to the #15-20 range has to go through Howie.

Howie or another key person will go to every QBs' workout - because it's to his advantage to have people think he might take a QB. It's all part of pre-draft games.

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Carolina and Tampa Bay are much more likely destinations for Watson than Philly, but it'll be amusing to read the comments when the trade is done

"What, that's all it took to get Watson??  Frickin' Howie!!"

 

While being oblivious that the player has a no-trade clause and has repeatedly said he won't waive it for the Eagles.

I think it was Derek Gunn that said he had a contact tell him he would in fact waive it for the Eagles.  

Denver was never mentioned, and it was never reported that Russ would waive his no trade clause for them, yet here we are.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Couple things.  

Jags have beaten the Colts 9 straight times overall.  Colts have not won in Jacksonville since 2014.

Jags held the Bills to 9 points and beat them.

Some teams just have another teams number for some reason, the Eagles went through a stretch when they could not beat the Cardinals.

They were 15.5 dogs and lost the previous week by 40. Stop making excuses for the bum. 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

How is anything related to Wentz comparable to Watson sexual assault scandal that took him out for an entire season

It will get brought up wherever Watson goes

You must not be from Philly.

There is a big difference between the Philly and NY sports media compared to the rest of the country.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

You just made up the bolded parts. Chip got fired because he made terrible executive decisions, sold Lurie on cutting DeSean and trading McCoy(which Lurie was hesitant to do) and then traded for Bradford who was terrible and it blew up in his face. Chip was fired because he was destroying the team. It had nothing to do with this back room influence you totally made up.

You're blaming Howie for Wentz wanting out when he's now on his 3rd team in 2 years? Lol please. Wentz is a loser who can't work with anyone. Wentz wanted out because he's a whiny crybaby ****.

You have no idea how much Watson even knows about Howie. For one, Howie is widely respected around the league... as much as I'm not a fan of him. GMs talk highly of him, Andrew Berry called him the best GM in the sport. You baselessly made up that Watson wouldn't want to play for him.

I have no delusions with the Eagles. I am pretty naunced with how I view them. A very average team that does some things really well and some things poorly. You are trying to swim in a pool of cynicism not based in facts or evidence.

 

The Eagles and Howie wanted to keep Wentz.  Wentz wanted out.  That is just  the facts, that is every story that came out between the end of the 2020 season up until Wentz was traded.

 

There is 0.0 reason to believe that Watson would want to play for Howie knowing the issues Wentz had with him given the issues Watson has with his own FO in Houston.  

 

And since you bolded the other part as false (when it wasn't):

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30670344/houston-texans-qb-deshaun-watson-bothered-team-hiring-process-sources-say

 

 

The Eagles are not a desired destination for QBs who have a say in where they can go.  That's just the reality that you are unable to accept.  

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

The Eagles turnaround is no surprise, Howie learns from his mistakes, which is rare among GMs.

Last year he killed the draft, Smith, Dickerson, Williams and turned a 3rd into a 2023 1st and got the player he wanted.

This year watch him control the first couple rounds, because anyone who wants a player that falls to the #15-20 range has to go through Howie.

Howie or another key person will go to every QBs' workout - because it's to his advantage to have people think he might take a QB. It's all part of pre-draft games.

Let's wait for some defensive picks that work out, or some hits in the teens of Round 1 before anointing him as having learned anything.   The bolded is hilarious... based on Howie's track record in that range, you just wait for him to draft the wrong guys and you take the top rated guy that slips through.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Just so we are clear... what is Hurts' upside in your eyes?  

He is a leader and works hard. 

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

They were 15.5 dogs and lost the previous week by 40. Stop making excuses for the bum. 

That's irrelevant to the team vs team history.  Jags have had the Colts' number.  Division match ups don't follow the same rules as other matchups.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I think it was Derek Gunn that said he had a contact tell him he would in fact waive it for the Eagles.  

Denver was never mentioned, and it was never reported that Russ would waive his no trade clause for them, yet here we are.

It was G Cobb.

Just now, pallidrone said:

You must not be from Philly.

There is a big difference between the Philly and NY sports media compared to the rest of the country.

He has sexual assault cases against him... I don't see how you think that's going away regardless of where he goes

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Just so we are clear... what is Hurts' upside in your eyes?  

Ask me next January, most QBs don't hit their peak until their 4-5th season (Eli took 7), so I'd have to see how much Hurts improves this season.

His upside is a more durable, more athletic Garappolo (or Jeff Garcia), who can improvise and make big plays but also run a short passing game from the pocket. He doesn't have to be a great passer, just a competent one, because his athleticism makes him dangerous. He can extend plays, and as his young WRs learn how to come back for the ball, make things happen.

The running does matter b/c it allows him to make key 1st downs and keep drives alive, and it forces defenses to "spy," opening up holes underneath in coverage.

He's got enough arm strength to burn teams with deep throws off play action, but he's not going to make a living off deep outs (but only a handful of QBs can make that throw).

But he also needs more weapons, if Reagor makes a few key catches, we're 10-7 or 11-6, teams will focus on Smith and Goedert, so we need a big possession WR and a #2 TE who can make tough catches underneath (Stoll might be that guy, too bad Jackson got hurt). And Sanders needs to rediscover his hands or be replaced. We're not talking pro bowl weapons, just guys who can execute on 3rd down or make a screen play work. And a power back would make play action more effective.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The Eagles and Howie wanted to keep Wentz.  Wentz wanted out.  That is just  the facts, that is every story that came out between the end of the 2020 season up until Wentz was traded.

 

There is 0.0 reason to believe that Watson would want to play for Howie knowing the issues Wentz had with him given the issues Watson has with his own FO in Houston.  

 

And since you bolded the other part as false (when it wasn't):

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30670344/houston-texans-qb-deshaun-watson-bothered-team-hiring-process-sources-say

 

 

The Eagles are not a desired destination for QBs who have a say in where they can go.  That's just the reality that you are unable to accept.  

No, that too is opinion and not factual.

Roseman, like him or not, is excellent playing the media to generate value. Just because he is not venting his anger towards Wentz like the Colts did (which was stupid and unprofessional) doesn’t mean they really wanted to keep him.

Maybe it was Wentz forcing himself out. But we don’t know.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The Eagles turnaround is no surprise, Howie learns from his mistakes, which is rare among GMs.

Last year he killed the draft, Smith, Dickerson, Williams and turned a 3rd into a 2023 1st and got the player he wanted.

This year watch him control the first couple rounds, because anyone who wants a player that falls to the #15-20 range has to go through Howie.

Howie or another key person will go to every QBs' workout - because it's to his advantage to have people think he might take a QB. It's all part of pre-draft games.

On April 28, if you hear Roger Goodell say the words "The New York Jets have made a trade" at #4 -- don't spit out your drink if you hear next that it's the Eagles who have moved up.  Not predicting it will happen, but it certainly could.

Just get use to seeing this face. Gut is telling me he will be in Eagles Green. Yes that include the double green/white gloves

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The Eagles and Howie wanted to keep Wentz.  Wentz wanted out.  That is just  the facts, that is every story that came out between the end of the 2020 season up until Wentz was traded.

 

There is 0.0 reason to believe that Watson would want to play for Howie knowing the issues Wentz had with him given the issues Watson has with his own FO in Houston.  

 

And since you bolded the other part as false (when it wasn't):

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30670344/houston-texans-qb-deshaun-watson-bothered-team-hiring-process-sources-say

 

 

The Eagles are not a desired destination for QBs who have a say in where they can go.  That's just the reality that you are unable to accept.  

You blamed Howie for Wentz wanting out. Wentz wanted out because he's a loser. A la Ben Simmons. It wasn't Howie's fault Wentz couldn't handle Hurts being drafted like a crybaby.

Wentz's issues with Howie aren't what you think they are.

"The Eagles are not a desired destination for QBs who have a say in where they can go." They weren't the top destination for Wilson. That's all we know right now. Rodgers didn't go anywhere. Watson is still on Houston. And even still, that's only 3 QBs. You're making a baseless generalization for all QBs based on the preference of one(Wilson).

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

On April 28, if you hear Roger Goodell say the words "The New York Jets have made a trade" at #4 -- don't spit out your drink if you hear next that it's the Eagles who have moved up.  Not predicting it will happen, but it certainly could.

There is no QB in this draft worth a trade up from #15. Howie knows value.

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He has sexual assault cases against him... I don't see how you think that's going away regardless of where he goes

He actually has civil lawsuits against him.  We will not know if he has criminal charges until the Grand Jury makes a decision to file charges on Friday.  If they do not proceed with criminal cases, interested teams will start negotiating with the Texans immediately.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

There is no QB in this draft worth a trade up from #15. Howie knows value.

He does?

Hurts was taken a round too early

Mack Hollins was taken a round too early

Pumphrey was taken 2 full rounds too early -- AND he traded UP for him.