2 minutes ago, What The F said:

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣☠☠☠☠

We did it in the past draft.

31 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You mean his garbage point game? 

He started that game with a 75 yard drive (basically a 54 yard pass), a blocked punt for a TD, then got the ball on the 6 yard line off a muffed punt and scored a TD, then a 38 yard drive for a FG.  After that, Watson was MIA until KC scored 6 TDs and were up 41-24 late 3rd Q.  Then the Houston offense put up 209 yards and a TD against a soft prevent.

Watson went 11-5 against an extremely weak schedule, SOS -1.53. Put up 7 points his first PO game, dinking and dunking, 29/49 235 1-1.

Then 10-6 against a better schedule his third season.

He's a good QB, but he's not an elite QB.

 

Strange that the schedule, garbage points, etc don't seem to matter in regards to Hurts though. We've seen you say as much. 

Almost as if you have an agenda.

7 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Strange that the schedule, garbage points, etc don't seem to matter in regards to Hurts though. We've seen you say as much. 

Almost as if you have an agenda.

While I agree, the difference here is the compensation.  Hurts is a 2nd round pick, Watson is multiple 1st-2nd round picks and/or players.  But multiple 1st rounders for certain.

9 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Strange that the schedule, garbage points, etc don't seem to matter in regards to Hurts though. We've seen you say as much. 

Almost as if you have an agenda.

You have me confused with other posters. I don't have an agenda.

I do however, refrain from jumping to conclusions and acting as if I know for sure - if I was that knowledgeable about football, I'd be working for a NFL team. 😎

3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

While I agree, the difference here is the compensation.  Hurts is a 2nd round pick, Watson is multiple 1st-2nd round picks and/or players.  But multiple 1st rounders for certain.

We aren't talking about that, though. At least, I am not. 

I am dismissing those that are acting as if Watson is just some average QB when he clearly isn't and grasp at whatever poor argument they can to try and show otherwise.

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You have me confused with other posters. I don't have an agenda.

I do however, refrain from jumping to conclusions and acting as if I know for sure - if I was that knowledgeable about football, I'd be working for a NFL team. 😎

Weird. I swear that not long ago you said that when taking running into account Hurts was a top 15 QB and said something along the lines of "just score, baby!" 

But when Watson does it (and drives 75 yards) you regulate it to: "Well, it was basically a 54 yard pass that made it happen" 

Sure. No agenda's here.  

58 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

You could look at it that way but how can you not look at it as Watson OR the 3 players you are deciding not to get?

Read my first sentence I wrote in that post, lol

"IF" we trade for Watson, then I will look at it with the sentences under the first sentence. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

We did it in the past draft.

4 or 5? No. 2, maybe 3. Will need to wait a few years to really know.  But look at years prior. When is the last time Lowie nailed 4 or 5 picks? 

35 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Weird. I swear that not long ago you said that when taking running into account Hurts was a top 15 QB and said something along the lines of "just score, baby!" 

But when Watson does it (and drives 75 yards) you regulate it to: "Well, it was basically a 54 yard pass that made it happen" 

Sure. No agenda's here.  

Grasping at straws, are we? You made a big deal of his 31 points, then find out it's one pass play and a couple TDs off ST turnovers and his yards were mostly garbage time.

In fact, Watson's first PO game is awfully similar to Hurts' first PO game. Not saying the two are equivalent, but Watson was in his second year and all he could do was dink and dunk to 7 points. Nor were the Colts a great team, 10th in points allowed, but against a ridiculously weak schedule, SOS -2.21.

Watson down 21-0 had two drives at the end of the game for 120 yards and a TD.

4 minutes ago, What The F said:

4 or 5? No. 2, maybe 3. Will need to wait a few years to really know.  But look at years prior. When is the last time Lowie nailed 4 or 5 picks? 

2012:  Cox #12, Kendricks #46, Curry #59, Foles #88, Kelly #153

2013:  Johnson #4, Ertz #35, Logan #67, Poyer #218

2016:  Wentz #2, Seumalo #79, Smallwood #153, Vaitai #164, Mills #233

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Grasping at straws, are we? You made a big deal of his 31 points, then find out it's one pass play and a couple TDs off ST turnovers and his yards were mostly garbage time.

In fact, Watson's first PO game is awfully similar to Hurts' first PO game. Not saying the two are equivalent, but Watson was in his second year and all he could do was dink and dunk to 7 points. Nor were the Colts a great team, 10th in points allowed, but against a ridiculously weak schedule, SOS -2.21.

Watson down 21-0 had two drives at the end of the game for 120 yards and a TD.

At the time of that playoff game Watson had a whopping 3 more starts than Hurts, but 7 less appearances and I'm the one grasping at straws?

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

You have me confused with other posters. I don't have an agenda.

I do however, refrain from jumping to conclusions and acting as if I know for sure - if I was that knowledgeable about football, I'd be working for a NFL team. 😎

That is some Putin-level spin.

The Texans allowed eight consecutive scoring drives, seven of which were TOUCHDOWNS. 

"Watsons fault. Garbage time."

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

2012:  Cox #12, Kendricks #46, Curry #59, Foles #88, Kelly #153

2013:  Johnson #4, Ertz #35, Logan #67, Poyer #218

2016:  Wentz #2, Seumalo #79, Smallwood #153, Vaitai #164, Mills #233

I wouldn’t define Logan & Smallwood as nailed picks

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I wouldn’t define Logan & Smallwood as nailed picks

Poyer either considering he did nothing here

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Poyer either considering he did nothing here

Yeah could put Kelly there too

17 minutes ago, What The F said:

4 or 5? No. 2, maybe 3. Will need to wait a few years to really know.  But look at years prior. When is the last time Lowie nailed 4 or 5 picks? 

2018.  Goedert, Maddox, Sweat, Mailata.  And we only had 5 picks with no 1st or 3rd. 

This year they have 10 picks including 3 firsts. Much lower degree of difficulty

Howie has had some truly awful drafts but he has had a few really good ones sprinkled in too.  2021 is looking promising, especially with gaining an extra 2022 1st with the Miami movedown. I'd argue this is the most important draft of his career right now.  With that much draft capital you HAVE to have a several hits or you don't deserve to be a GM.

16 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I wouldn’t define Logan & Smallwood as nailed picks

Logan was a good player for us. When he was a UFA, he got 8M from the Chiefs. The league thought he was good.

We didn't resign him because he didn't fit Schwartz's scheme.

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

Logan was a good player for us. When he was a UFA, he got 8M from the Chiefs. The league thought he was good.

We didn't resign him because he didn't fit Schwartz's scheme.

Logan was average at best.

Sure the chiefs thought he was good but he was out of the league In 2 more seasons after that.

he underachieved.

42 minutes ago, austinfan said:

2012:  Kendricks #46, Curry #59, Kelly #153

2013:   Logan #67, Poyer #218

2016:  Wentz #2,  Smallwood #153, Vaitai #164, Mills #233

You count these as "nailed"?  Low bar my guy.  

7 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Logan was average at best.

Sure the chiefs thought he was good but he was out of the league In 2 more seasons after that.

he underachieved.

3rd round picks who get paid in their 2nd contracts are not underachievers.

1 minute ago, What The F said:

You count these as "nailed"?  Low bar my guy.  

I know I'm in the minority but I'll never forgive Howie for taking Kendricks over both Wagner & David. Both went shortly after Howie's LB pick.

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Logan was average at best.

Sure the chiefs thought he was good but he was out of the league In 2 more seasons after that.

he underachieved.

Agree with the first, not necessarily the second.  He wasn't a stud but he had a solid career for a 3rd round pick.  No he wasn't a home run but if I'm remembering correctly only around 25-30% of DL players in the 3rd round end up even becoming starters.  

Guess it depends on the criteria you want to use to define a successful pick. 

 

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

 

So much for the Saints not being able to get him due to their so called cap hell