1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Maybe we can trade reagor for shenault cause doug is supposedly the one who drafted and wanted reagor lol 

I'm not a fan of shenault he's been disappointing but I would make that trade in a heart beat, compared to reagor shenault is Jerry rice 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Eagles have Sanders/Gainwell, Smith, Watkins, ???, Goedert, ???

You don't break the bank for your 3rd WR and your 2nd TE (H-back type receiver, Stoll is a fine blocker).

I could see Pascal and drafting one or two guys in the middle rounds.

The FA prices exceed value for most WRs

Watkins has a chance to be the 3rd WR at best.  The first or second spot can be upgraded.

The whole thing with the Watson is the Panthers make less sense to me than the Saints and the Browns. The Browns make the most sense cause the closest to being a legitimate title contender if they get Deshaun Watson. That team needs a quarterback that with that roster can take them to the next level. They’re ready for that. And in the afc going with baker they aren’t competing for a super bowl  

The Saints as long as they don’t have to give up a ton of players in this deal were 5-2 with Jameis Winston last year. I get Sean Payton left and Dennis Allen has to prove he’s a good coach. but loomis is a solid GM. Also I think it’s much easier to prove to be a good coach with someone like Watson with a solid oline, kamara and michael Thomas. 

those two teams i can make sense of it. The Panthers feels very much like he’s gonna go right back into a Houston Texans situation with a bad oline, an injury prone running back, a defense losing talent (assuming that trade includes chinn and burns and Gilmore and reddick leave) and a questionable head coach. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I think the economics say you make the switch at QB now.  Hurts is going into Year 3 of a 4-year entry level contract, and one of two things likely happen:

-- the same type of results we saw this past season.  Hurts shows nominal improvement in the passing game, still relies heavily on his legs, and the Eagles have a similar 8-9 or 9-8 season -- just making or just missing the playoffs.

-- the NFL adjusts to Hurts and most teams play him the way the Bucs and Giants play him.  Hurts struggles and regresses as a player, and the Eagles finish with a worse record; 6-11 type of season.

 

If it's the first scenario, Hurts will come to the table before the 2023 season wanting a lucrative extension.  He won't be asking for an astronomical amount like Murray or Dak, but $30M+ per season would be the likely asking price from his agent.  Then you've got a QB who isn't worth nearly that price and likely disgruntled when told he won't get an extension until his entry level contract is finished.  

In the second scenario it's an easier decision at QB, but now you're stuck in Steelers, Saints, and Washington territory with no QB at all and having to spend numerous draft picks to land one -- who, if a FA QB, is middling at best.

 

Trade now, recoup a 3rd round pick (his value next year will be a 6th round pick), draft whichever QB Nick feels is the best long-term option for the franchise -- and you've got a cost-controlled QB for the next 5 years.

I agree. I'd rather roll the dice on a draft pick this year then another year of Hurts. Let Gardner start while the rookie acclimates. 

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Like...a 1 for 1 trade like the Pats and Browns just did with their LBers? That happens, I don't care what time of day...I'm done work for the day, day drinking and celebrating.

Celebrating what?

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

We won't be in line for Young, and I don't like Stroud. And of course you're right, there could be darkhorses that pop up from the 2022 college season. Just think we're still gonna be in that lower half of the first round which makes it much tougher to get your guy. I think if Nick has his eye on someone this year, make it happen. I don't think he came in here expecting to be starting Jalen Hurts.

 

So they will be in the lower half of the first round, so again probably a playoff team. So Jalen Hurts will have gotten the Eagles to the playoffs in both years as a starter.  If that's the case then he should be the long term QB for the Eagles. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The whole thing with the Sean Watson is the Panthers make less sense to me than the Saints and the Browns. The Browns make the most sense cause the closest to being a legitimate title contender if they get Deshaun Watson. That team needs a quarterback that with that roster can take them to the next level. They’re ready for that.

The Saints as long as they don’t have to give up a ton of players in this deal were 5-2 with Jameis Winston last year. I get Sean Peyton left and Dennis Allen has to prove he’s a good coach. but loom is is a solid GM. Also I think it’s much easier to prove to be a good coach with someone like Watson with a solid oline, kamara and michael Thomas. 

those two teams i can make sense of it. The Panthers feels very much like he’s gonna go right back into a Houston Texans situation with a bad oline, an injury prone running back, a defense losing talent (assuming that trade includes chinn and burns and Gilmore and reddick leave) and a questionable head coach. 

Deshaun is in the mix for top 5ish QB's in the AFC. In the NFC he's the clearcut #3 best QB behind Rodgers and Brady with much quicker timeline to potentially winning the conference.

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

Celebrating what?

If they hypothetically traded Reagor straight up for Shenault.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

So they will be in the lower half of the first round, so again probably a playoff team. So Jalen Hurts will have gotten the Eagles to the playoffs in both years as a starter.  If that's the case then he should be the long term QB for the Eagles. 

Yes, making the wildcard round and getting smashed should be every franchise's goal.

Just now, Outlaw said:

Deshaun is in the mix for top 5ish QB's in the AFC. In the NFC he's the clearcut #3 best QB behind Rodgers and Brady with much quicker timeline to potentially winning the conference.

Maybe only the 3rd best in the AFCN, let alone the conference.

Things are way too quiet with Eagles & Watson. I get he may not want to come here, but there's no way in hell that Howie isn't doing everything he possibly can to at least get a meeting behind closed doors. Something just seems off with them not being mentioned at all.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The whole thing with the Watson is the Panthers make less sense to me than the Saints and the Browns. The Browns make the most sense cause the closest to being a legitimate title contender if they get Deshaun Watson. That team needs a quarterback that with that roster can take them to the next level. They’re ready for that. And in the afc going with baker they aren’t competing for a super bowl  

The Saints as long as they don’t have to give up a ton of players in this deal were 5-2 with Jameis Winston last year. I get Sean Payton left and Dennis Allen has to prove he’s a good coach. but loomis is a solid GM. Also I think it’s much easier to prove to be a good coach with someone like Watson with a solid oline, kamara and michael Thomas. 

those two teams i can make sense of it. The Panthers feels very much like he’s gonna go right back into a Houston Texans situation with a bad oline, an injury prone running back, a defense losing talent (assuming that trade includes chinn and burns and Gilmore and reddick leave) and a questionable head coach. 

At Watson's age, he's far from a win now target. You make the deal thinking he's your QB for 10+ years.

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I agree. I'd rather roll the dice on a draft pick this year then another year of Hurts. Let Gardner start while the rookie acclimates. 

I'd be fine with this as well 

Trade hurts while he has a modicum of value.

 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

So they will be in the lower half of the first round, so again probably a playoff team. So Jalen Hurts will have gotten the Eagles to the playoffs in both years as a starter.  If that's the case then he should be the long term QB for the Eagles. 

7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Deshaun is in the mix for top 5ish QB's in the AFC. In the NFC he's the clearcut #3 best QB behind Rodgers and Brady with much quicker timeline to potentially winning the conference.

That’s why the Saints make more sense than anybody. The panthers still would be my third best team I’d want to go to outside of the fact i played college close to there. Even if you’re the 3rd best quarterback your offensive line was ranked 29th in the league in past blocking win rate. 26 in run blocking win rate. And pro football focus had them as the 31st graded offensive line. And you’re dealing with a injury prone running back who’s taking up a bunch of money. And you’re about to give up pieces on your defense and picks.

the Saints actually have a good roster adding him especially if Thomas comes back this year. I think the Panthers you’re just gonna be the Houston Texans were you’re gonna be the fourth best team in the NFC and getting killed every weekend because the oline sucks and you have a coach who is questionable. 

if i were him i much rather go to the saints than the panthers. 

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Things are way too quiet with Eagles & Watson. I get he may not want to come here, but there's no way in hell that Howie isn't doing everything he possibly can to at least get a meeting behind closed doors. Something just seems off with them not being mentioned at all.

Dude...have you tried meditation?

11 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

At Watson's age, he's far from a win now target. You make the deal think he's your QB for 10+ years.

The panthers giving up 3 first round picks over the next 3 years, burns and chinn is going to make it easier to fix that oline the next couple seasons? The long term the saints are still better. They prove in to be at least a consistent winner over the last decade. Say whatever you want they were top five in wins for the last decade. I much rather take my chances with the Saints than Carolina. Also the browns window is open for the next 3-4 years. It’s in the afc is the only downside with that team. But they have a very good oline, good RBs, cooper and a solid to above average defense. Carolina has bad oline, injury prone back, solid defense prior to the trade, and potentially a bad head coach. Sounds awfully similar to the Texans. 

I think he still goes to Carolina. However I think he’s gonna run into the same problems in Carolina as he did in Houston and it’s just gonna be Houston 2.0

8 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Things are way too quiet with Eagles & Watson. I get he may not want to come here, but there's no way in hell that Howie isn't doing everything he possibly can to at least get a meeting behind closed doors. Something just seems off with them not being mentioned at all.

Judging by the compensation being thrown around, it sounds like 3 1sts, Goedert, Dickerson would be the equivalent.

At some point you just gotta throw your hands in the air and say "ok that’s getting ridiculous”

Just now, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Judging by the compensation being thrown around, it sounds like 3 1sts, Goedert, Dickerson would be the equivalent.

At some point you just gotta throw your hands in the air and say "ok that’s getting ridiculous”

Dillard, Cox, Sanders

22 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Another NFC south team what a shock. More Texans leaks trying to scare carolina.

I don't think they can realistically take on Watson's number and also Ryan's dead money. I wouldn't be surprised if they are just dipping their toes in to up the price for their two division rivals. 

Zzzzzzzzz

3 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Judging by the compensation being thrown around, it sounds like 3 1sts, Goedert, Dickerson would be the equivalent.

At some point you just gotta throw your hands in the air and say "ok that’s getting ridiculous”

Jason Peters time to shine

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

Their first season was 1995. That's not 30 years. 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880540-the-biggest-spending-teams-in-nfl-free-agency-in-recent-years

So since the CBA from 2011, look who's number 1! 

Ever since Shad Khan took control of the team in 2012, the Jacksonville Jaguars have flaunted the checkbook. For a moment in 2017, it seemed a worthwhile philosophy. The Jaguars reached the AFC Championship Game and nearly took down the Patriots.

 

To circle back on your original point, maybe it's the owner who's driving the free agent bus, and not the new head coach? 

Being $148Million higher than the next closest team doesn't prove a trend.  It's only over 15% higher than #2 (who is $107M higher than #3)... So, Jacksonville being higher than #3 by over $255M doesn't mean anything.   It's only 30% more than #3.  Just a drop in the bucket.

Wouldn't be shocked if the Eagles already met with him and have kept it hushed.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Jason Peters time to shine

Hello, Les? It's Howie. What can I get for Andre Dillard?

45 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Any word on D'Onta Foreman ?  That's a big RB I wouldn't mind us taking a look at

Nah, we're fine there. They'll bring back Howard in August.