Had fun with this one:

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I haven't seen this level of denial in the blog since I said the season was over the second Carson Wentz tore his ACL

FYP

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Had fun with this one:

If I don't see Robinson or Rambo you don't have my interest.

Just now, Khani1 said:

Let me guess, you are a diehard "G" fan, aren't you?

Giroux is a highly paid player with a no-movement clause, which is quite common in the NHL.  Once a player is signed to it, the team is stuck.  It's not like the NFL where you can jettison a player, take a one-year cap hit, and move on.  NHL contracts are much more guaranteed.  Voracek was traded because he was just about the only player who didn't have a no-movement clause in his contract.  

The Flyers have a bad GM.  They've made bad personnel decisions since before he was GM.  Hayes hasn't been as advertised.  JVR coming back was a waste of money.  Ellis was a huge overpayment and hasn't played.  Brassard was a waste of a roster spot.  Atkinson is a cap drain, and for longer than Voracek.  Martin Jones isn't very good.  Yandle is almost 40.  

The Flyers are at least 6-7 years away from contending, and that clock doesn't start until after the GM is fired.

Just now, downundermike said:

If I don't see Robinson or Rambo you don't have my interest.

Hutchison, McCreary, Cine, Muma with an extra 1st next year makes the despair and sorrow of going Pierce/Verdell over Rambo/Robinson manageable.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve also brought this up in the past when talking about the quarterback situation. The NFC lacks long term stability at QB as compared to the afc. 
if Rodgers is traded to someone like the Denver Broncos, then the next best quarterback after Brady is then Wilson. And their was a report on Monday Wilson wants to explore his options with other teams. So hypothetically if Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson are traded out of the NFC, the best quarterback is by far Tom Brady. And then after him the next three are Matt Stafford, Dak Prescott and Kyler Murray.

The AFC hypothetically next year could have Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, lamar jackson and Derek carr. Comparatively to the nfc it would be brady (assuming he doesn’t retire), Stafford, dak and murray.  

Yup, not to mention the 3 best performing rookie QBs, Jones, Mills, and Lawrence are all in the AFC as well. God help that conference.

Unless come crazy rookie QB shows up in the next year or two, the NFC is ripe for the picking.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

A guy who thinks Hurts is the answer, talks about others being in denial.  LOL

And posts that with everyone of the opposite view on ignore.  Dude is a fraud.

Gannon is the front runner for the Texans HC job… might wind up being back on the market next year lol  

 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I never said we should reach in this draft class.  I have argued for the past 3 months that punting one of those picks back to 2023 and just rolling with Hurts and Minshew again is probably the most prudent move.  Gambling that hopefully a good QB will emerge for the 2023 draft.  But that wasn't Lowie's intent when they traded Wentz and accumulated those additional picks.  I am sure they had hoped someone would have emerged in this current draft class worthy of moving up for.  Or as I have said, they stocked up on those picks in hopes that the Watson ordeal would have been settled.  

 

Like I said.  We're in a tough spot.  Hurts is NOT the long term answer at QB.  There is no real top QB in this draft to go after.  And I am not a fan of trading for a VET.  Only hope is whoever the new HC in Jax is, that person doesn't like Trevor Lawrence and we are to make a deal for him.  But that is extremely unlikely.  

Unfortunately that dopey owner is in love with Sunshine. 

 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I pointed this out about five months ago the contract Deshaun Watson has it set up that’s after 2021 Texans or any team were going to restructure it so that you could create cap space and lower his cap number. So this he’s going to be making $40 million in 2020 is not necessarily going to be the case.

Additionally I also pointed out in 2023 the Philadelphia eagles are going to have $82 million in cap space (currently). And that doesn’t include some of the guys they’re going to release to gain space and they don’t really have a whole bunch of guys they need to extend after the 2022 season. The draft class from 2019 that would need to be extended is only Miles Sanders. Cause you’re not resigning Dillard or JJAW. 

In 2021, Watson was playing on the last year of his rookie deal, where he had a base salary of $10.5 million. In 2022, that jumps to $35 million, and in March, his $20 million 2023 salary and $17 million 2023 roster bonus become fully guaranteed. I'm only seeing $49 million in cap space for 2023 on OTC. Watson couldn't be traded until March 16th when the new league year begins. I doubt he would be moved then because unless all of his accusers agreed to settle he still has pre-trial in May. And this entire time you have no idea what else is going to come out and if the league would suspend him.

Watson went to the Texans owner and told them who was on his approved GM list. Texans got someone else that they liked and Watson demanded a trade because the FO didn't listen to him. Do you think Howie is going to let Watson dictate who is in the FO and which FA's they sign?

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Giroux should have been gone 3 years ago.  He is part of the problem...

you know how many people got on our case saying that. I love giroux but they should’ve done it to start a rebuild 3 years ago. He would’ve brought back a ton of assets to help build the team and make them younger. Unfortunately even if you deal him at the deadline now, you are getting a fraction of what you would’ve gotten when the time to deal him was 3 years ago when they were stuck in this rollercoaster of make and miss playoffs.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I never said we should reach in this draft class.  I have argued for the past 3 months that punting one of those picks back to 2023 and just rolling with Hurts and Minshew again is probably the most prudent move.  Gambling that hopefully a good QB will emerge for the 2023 draft.  But that wasn't Lowie's intent when they traded Wentz and accumulated those additional picks.  I am sure they had hoped someone would have emerged in this current draft class worthy of moving up for.  Or as I have said, they stocked up on those picks in hopes that the Watson ordeal would have been settled.  

 

Like I said.  We're in a tough spot.  Hurts is NOT the long term answer at QB.  There is no real top QB in this draft to go after.  And I am not a fan of trading for a VET.  Only hope is whoever the new HC in Jax is, that person doesn't like Trevor Lawrence and we are to make a deal for him.  But that is extremely unlikely.  

So we agree then because I'm not saying they were never planning on using picks for a QB. No sense splitting hairs.

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

Maybe.  But not in all cases.  For example, the Eagles made the playoffs this year with a 1st year starting QB who struggled at times during the season.  Having a stout offensive line,  with decent RB's and young WR's got it done.  Now we have 3 more 1st round picks in which we can draft a QB if we really want to.  Plus a plethora of additional talent....all on team friendly rookie deals.  Barring injuries, the team should get better by default. 

And ask yourself this....how many Super Bowls has Aaron Rodgers won?  Top 3 QB in the league for the past decade with only 1 title.  How about Wilson?  How about Watson?  

We won a Super Bowl with a backup QB.  I would much rather have a super solid and young team with an above-average QB then a "Super star" at QB and a bad team around him.  

What's the difference between "super solid" and the term I used, "excellent"? I land on the same spot with those terms. The real question isn't which QB has won the most SB, as only a few have even won multiple SB.  The point is to have the chance and an excellent QB gives a team a better chance much more frequently than any other component.  

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Philadelphia legend.  And the very next game, he out dueled "the goat" with one of the best Super Bowl performances in history. 

"What if".   Anyway...not going to bring that argument up but everything seemed "to work" and at a very high level when he was starting.  

2 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

What's the difference between "super solid" and the term I used, "excellent".  I land on the same spot with those terms? The real question isn't which QB has won the most SB, as only a few have even won multiple SB.  The point is to have the chance and an excellent QB gives a team a better chance much more frequently than any other component.  

It's obviously not always the case, given the examples I stated above.  

We'll need to agree to disagree on this. 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Philadelphia legend.  And the very next game, he out dueled "the goat" with one of the best Super Bowl performances in history. 

"What if".   Anyway...not going to bring that argument up but everything seemed "to work" and at a very high level when he was starting.  

What if what? They had kept Foles? He's an insanely streaky QB (both good and bad streaks), and really, he was not good until that Minny game. Then he was unstoppable for the 2 most important games in Eagles history. But he was never the long term solution. A great back-up, but you can't rely on him as a starter. Same as our current situation.

I'm really hoping that one of those QB prospects is on the board at our first pick and Pittsburgh and New Orleans are both on the phone with us in a bidding war, and we manage to trade down and pick up an extra 2nd round pick.

 

Its really a Catch 22.  If enough QBs are picked before our picks, then we have decent guys fall to us, or those guys get picked and push the QBs down to our picks opening the door for a small trade down.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 

 

Please tell me again how I started arguing a point that you never made?  When in fact you did.  I stand corrected, you did compare them as it pertains their "ceilings".  

 

Just admit you've seen other people reference the strawman argument in here, yet you have no idea what it means. 

 

So one more time.  Why does it matter if Hurts is yet to hit his ceiling, if it is half as high as Watson's is???  

I never compared "Watson's peak" to "Hurts' peak".  It's really that simple. And yes, that's a Straw Man.  Look up the definition. 

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

"What if".   Anyway...not going to bring that argument up but everything seemed "to work" and at a very high level when he was starting.  

After everything that happened, the Eagles still made the right decision.

In every season Foles began the season as a starter, including in Philadelphia, he lost his job to injury and poor play. 

14 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

In 2021, Watson was playing on the last year of his rookie deal, where he had a base salary of $10.5 million. In 2022, that jumps to $35 million, and in March, his $20 million 2023 salary and $17 million 2023 roster bonus become fully guaranteed. I'm only seeing $49 million in cap space for 2023 on OTC. Watson couldn't be traded until March 16th when the new league year begins. I doubt he would be moved then because unless all of his accusers agreed to settle he still has pre-trial in May. And this entire time you have no idea what else is going to come out and if the league would suspend him.

Watson went to the Texans owner and told them who was on his approved GM list. Texans got someone else that they liked and Watson demanded a trade because the FO didn't listen to him. Do you think Howie is going to let Watson dictate who is in the FO and which FA's they sign?

Again his contract is going to be restructured regardless of who gets him. If the Texans were going to keep them they were going to restructure the contract. That’s how the contract was set up. There’s a lot of room to restructure that to lower his number. he’s going to be restructuring that contract. What do you think the Eagles were gonna do with Carson Wentz if they kept him? They were going to restructure that contract to lower his number to create cap space.

I use spotrac they are usually better than over the cap. 

I don’t know what Deshaun Watson’s going to do here. All I know is the Houston Texans have been a dumpster fire for the last 2 years making bad decisions after bad decisions. So if I was a quarterback in my prime and I didn’t want to waste my prime I also would want my input heard as they continued to waste and make horrible decisions. you’re gonna believe everything that’s coming out of the Houston Texans?  This is the organization that hired a head coach and then a year later fired him. And allowed to O’Brien to be a dope and trade the best wide receiver in the league at that time for a broken down running back in a second round pick.  I don’t exactly believe everything that comes out of the Houston Texans organization. I think they’re kind of full of crap. 

I am not advocating for them to go get him. All I am telling you is that contract is restructurable and some of the things are coming out of Houston are coming from the Texans to try to put themselves in a better light in the given situation

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

What if what? They had kept Foles? He's an insanely streaky QB (both good and bad streaks), and really, he was not good until that Minny game. Then he was unstoppable for the 2 most important games in Eagles history. But he was never the long term solution. A great back-up, but you can't rely on him as a starter. Same as our current situation.

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

After everything that happened, the Eagles still made the right decision.

In every season Foles began the season as a starter, including in Philadelphia, he lost his job to injury and poor play. 

 

I'm not getting into this again.  Personally, I have zero doubt. And that's plenty for me and everyone else who sees it the way I do. 

We'll need to agree to disagree. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not getting into this again.  Personally, I have zero doubt. And that's plenty for me and everyone else who sees it the way I do. 

We'll need to agree to disagree. 

You have your opinion.  Nick Foles body of work tells a different story.  He went to Jacksonville, got hurt immediately, came back, lost his job to Minshew.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You talked about Watson's reaching his ceiling in the same post about Hurts not reaching his ceiling.  

A Strawman argument would go like this:

AceNova- "I like Jalen Hurts".

4for4- "Why do you hate winning in the playoffs"?

 

Not when you reference both QB's and their potential in the same post and then argue that you weren't comparing them.  

 

So does that mean you recognize that their ceiling's are vastly different?  

It was a Straw Man.  

But I'll entertain you.  We actually "don't know" what Hurts' "ceiling" is yet so we can't make that comparison.  That was my point.  

Apparently Nick Caserio has already said the Texans #3 pick is "open for business".  It's unlikely the teams picking #1, 3, and 4 would be taking a QB (not sure DET would at #2 either), but with NYG, CAR, ATL, and DEN occupying spots 5-9 and all needing a new QB there could be some very interesting trades coming up.