3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's either going to be great or a disaster. There's no real in-between scenario.

I was about to say well he could be mediocre or Tannehillesque but I think that level of play is a disaster given the potential cost.  

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

And the 2 guys ahead of him will be 38 and 45 when the season starts. So you're setting up to have the best QB in the conference very soon, unless there is an immediate impact from a 2023 draft pick. 

Exactly. He's only 26 years old.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah he's currently better than Hurts. But giving up 3 first and some starters for Watson won't get this team any closer to a championship. 

And he's not a top 5 QB which has been claimed. 

Where do you put him in your carefully calibrated QB ranking system?

Someone tell Howie the new league year starts in a half hour, lets get something done.

41 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There you go

Howie could tie himself to Jalen Reagor, JJAW, or plenty of these other moves.

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I agree, though Brady unretiring pushed him out. Still the clear-cut 3rd best QB in the NFC if he comes to our conference, and top 6-8 overall. HUGE difference from where we are now.

 

He isn't the clear cut 3rd best QB in the NFC either if he comes to the NFC.  Please explain to me what he has done that makes him a clear cut better QB than Stafford and Dak? 

 

As far as NFL QBs the ones that are clear cut better than Watson: Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Rodgers, Burrow, Herbert & Wilson. 

Then you have a tier below that which contains Watson as well as Lamar, Stafford, Dak & Carr. 

35 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The nice thing is we can make a very solid package of players who are good but already expendable. Cox, good but older. Dillard starting quality AND young LT, but expendable for us, Sanders RB in his prime, expendable because we wont pay the 2nd contract. Hurts- some team may think they can make him a starter, at the very least, young QB on rookie deal who is a very good backup.

Its probably esiest for us to part with anything we would be giving. 

They just resigned Tunsil, I believe.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Someone tell Howie the new league year starts in a half hour, lets get something done.

 Theres either going to be a Watson trade that we may wait on another day or a couple. Or, in a half hour there will be about 6 free agent signings announced for us that he kept quiet.

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah he's currently better than Hurts. But giving up 3 first and some starters for Watson won't get this team any closer to a championship. 

And he's not a top 5 QB which has been claimed. 

While probably true, he's likely just outside it. 

Clearly ahead -- Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady

Maybe ahead -- Herbert, Allen

Same tier -- Wilson, Watson, Burrow

EDIT: Forgot who I was responding to. Nevermind. 

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He isn't the clear cut 3rd best QB in the NFC either if he comes to the NFC.  Please explain to me what he has done that makes him a clear cut better QB than Stafford and Dak? 

 

As far as NFL QBs the ones that are clear cut better than Watson: Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Rodgers, Burrow, Herbert & Wilson. 

Then you have a tier below that which contains Watson as well as Lamar, Stafford, Dak & Carr. 

Ok. So Rodgers and Brady (while still playing quite well of course) are 38 and 45. Russ is 33. Watson is 26, so in between those guys and the 23-25 year olds. He's also the 3rd best in the NFC. How often do teams get a legit chance at a known top 10 QB at that age? Almost never. And you'll get hopefully 7-10 years of production out of him.

Apparently James bradberry is available 

 

Jacksonville really nuked the free agency market, especially at receiver. If Kirk is getting $18 million/year, someone like Robinson is going to want at least 20. 

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah he's currently better than Hurts. But giving up 3 first and some starters for Watson won't get this team any closer to a championship. 

And he's not a top 5 QB which has been claimed. 

Upgrading the QB position would undoubtedly get this team closer to a championship. It’s the top priority for any team who doesn’t have a championship caliber QB. 

6 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Exactly. He's only 26 years old.

Where do you put him in your carefully calibrated QB ranking system?

He'll be 27 when the season starts

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

He'll be 27 when the season starts

That changes everything. Now I only will trade Hurts and a 5th...

I'd do this deal: 15 and 19 in 2022, 1st in 2023 and Hurts for Watson

I'd love to get Watson but I think we're in great position to help the future of the team with all of these picks

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'd love to get Watson but I think we're in great position to help the future of the team with all of these picks

A 26 (or 27) year old elite QB is the one time I'd break the bank. His contract isn't even nuts given what guys are getting now. His cap numbers would be 35, 37, 32, 32 for us.

Guys like this don't become available...ever. 

You have no future without a QB. Watson helps the future more than the picks do.

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Wow you two have been jibber jabbering back and forth for hours and yet neither have mentioned that tannenhill hands the ball off to Derek Henry all day and passes against stacked boxes and 8 man fronts.

I like Tannenhill, and he's no more than a game manager.

Give Carr Henry and he most likely has better numbers than Tanenhill IMO.

Having said that maybe one of you mentioned Henry and I missed it🤷‍♂️

The team they play for will always have a heavy impact on their perception. It’s entirely possible Mahomes isn’t close to as productive as he is now if you remove him from Reid and those weapons he has in KC. Does he throw 40 TDs on the NYG? Does he even throw 30 on the NYJ?

Nothing Carr has done so far indicates he would blow up if given a better situation. Anything is possible, but the reality it is something Tannehill has proven to do and Carr is only speculated to be capable of.

 

Go up anyone’s list of best QBs and the teams will increase in talent level commensurately.  Ryan Tannehill is a big reason Tennessee has been strong the last few years, as is Derrick Henry. Carr is also a big reason Oakland is only what they are as well. Not the only reason, but he is a contributor.

yeah watson if gonna look great when he gets that 10 game suspension

1 minute ago, Cheesteakitis said:

yeah watson if gonna look great when he gets that 10 game suspension

This is a move for 10 years, not 10 games.

No chance it happens, but a suspension doesn't stop you.

11 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

While probably true, he's likely just outside it. 

Clearly ahead -- Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady

Maybe ahead -- Herbert, Allen

Same tier -- Wilson, Watson, Burrow

EDIT: Forgot who I was responding to. Nevermind. 

 

What has he done exactly where you put him on the same tier as Wilson and Burrow and only maybe ahead of Josh Allen? 

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah he's currently better than Hurts. But giving up 3 first and some starters for Watson won't get this team any closer to a championship. 

And he's not a top 5 QB which has been claimed. 

I think he's an elite QB with sufficient skill to make any team a potential contender.  Is he Mahomes? I don't think he's Mahomes but he's a lot closer to Mahomes than to Hurts.  I think the Eagles have too many holes on defense to be a contender currently even with Watson.  

If we have a trade for Watson what are some young players we have that Houston would want to add to it? I can't imagine they want Hurts over Mills.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

A 26 (or 27) year old elite QB is the one time I'd break the bank. His contract isn't even nuts given what guys are getting now. His cap numbers would be 35, 37, 32, 32 for us.

Guys like this don't become available...ever. 

You're also taking a chance that he'll want to stay. He planned to sit out of the season before the scandal became public because he had issues with the FO