1 hour ago, toolg said:

It is. I think it is a combination of factors.

Which include environmental stimuli

6 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Two outta five ai-ain't bad

I didn't know you liked face tattoos.  

32 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Which include environmental stimuli

Perhaps. But absolutely not solely. Somebody might be on the fence, where the environment can play a factor.  Somebody else might be completely gay where no amount of change in the environment is going to sway them one way or another. We are all unique individuals. 

Again, I can’t tell you what makes somebody straight or gay or bi- or asexual, whatever. I really don’t know. 

You are not going to read this thread. 

TLDR version: It is overreach; to solve a problem that doesn’t exist, and it only creates more problems in the process.  

A certain portion of the CVON crowd sure went quite after the Caitlyn Jenner joining Fox News story dropped.

@Kz! @Procus what happened to you guys ??

51 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

 

 

Madness. It’s our job to guide them as parents. Schools should never be secret keepers. Another reason I’m glad I send them to private school 

Parents ought to know what their child’s identity is already. Long before any teacher finds out. 

16 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

It's hard to have a neutral discussion about this. I don't think these are the best words here, but I'm a little bit at a loss of how to describe it. I do think that there is some level of transgenderism being looked at as sort of trendy or "cool" these days, or it's at least kind of glorified in a way in a way in the public realm that maybe pushes kids into thinking they are suffering from a gender identity crisis rather than just being different and needing to express themselves. It does provide some level of group acceptance for kids who might otherwise feel isolated, but some of them might just need more support, not necessarily a sex change. For example, a friend of mine is a single dad who has a daughter who just came out as transgender. I think she's in maybe 7th grade. The dad responded like a complete jerk and was totally unaccepting, which is both disappointing and ironic, because he's really liberal. I feel really bad for the kid, but at the same time, I feel like she's going through an age where most of us are still figuring out our identity and it's a little early for her to be diving headfirst into "I'm really a boy." Maybe she is trans, but maybe she also just needs to take the time to find herself and be around people who accept her for who she is. So, on the one hand, the dad needs to show more concern for the kid's mental health and help her navigate this, but his attitude has completely wrecked their relationship and seems to have driven her into a dark place. On the other hand, I feel like our culture has maybe pushed her into thinking that she has a psychological condition when maybe she's just a girl who gravitates to more masculine traits. Her dad is a geeky gamer type whom she's spent the majority of her time around, and I always thought she gave off tomboyish vibes, but never to the extent that I thought she was sexually confused. These situations are tough for both the kids and the parents

One thing to add here is that it isn't all about sexual orientation and maybe that's not what you mean with the bolded above.  I think a lot of this has to do with gender traits.  Lots of combinations in the unicorn gender thingy.

So you could have a man in a female body attracted to a woman in a male body, etc.  OR, in this case, the young person may simply feel like a boy in terms of gender identity and/or gender expression but she may still be sexually attracted to people with a dick from a purely physical perspective.  I think a big part of the problem is all the hype and requirement to classify into fifty million different combinations.  Kind of like the pride flags where the number just seems to rise and rise.  Imagine being 12 and having to deal with that mess.

10 hours ago, toolg said:

Parents ought to know what their child’s identity is already. Long before any teacher finds out. 

Sure but if for some reason they don’t…

This bill is unnecessary but it is also pointed at kids in third grade. Pure stupid political bull sheet all around. 

14 hours ago, toolg said:

Parents ought to know what their child’s identity is already. Long before any teacher finds out. 

 

They should, however, if the kid is conecealing it and divulges it to a trusted adult outside the home, there's probably a reason for it. Disclosing that and essentially "outing" them to parents that are not supportive could potentially lead to abuse. Whether you agree or disagree with the provision, and there is room to argue either, I think the motivation behind it is to prevent physical or psychological harm to the child.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

They should, however, if the kid is conecealing it and divulges it to a trusted adult outside the home, there's probably a reason for it. Disclosing that and essentially "outing" them to parents that are not supportive could potentially lead to abuse. Whether you agree or disagree with the provision, and there is room to argue either, I think the motivation behind it is to prevent physical or psychological harm to the child.

Good God you are a f'ing idiot.  

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Good God you are a f'ing idiot.  

 

Says the braindead, traitorous moron who voted for Trump twice. F*** you, scumbag. You are a scourge to humanity.

I make a thoughtful statement on a matter concerning protecting children from parental abuse, and all this mental midget can do is say, "HURRRR, DURRRRR, YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!!"

Zuker is idiocracy personified. Dangerously stupid.

16 hours ago, downundermike said:

A certain portion of the CVON crowd sure went quite after the Caitlyn Jenner joining Fox News story dropped.

@Kz! @Procus what happened to you guys ??

lol, I typically don't spend much time in here after the work day, grandpa. But Caitlyn Jenner is a freak and degenerate whether she's employed by Fox News or not. 

7 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

One thing to add here is that it isn't all about sexual orientation and maybe that's not what you mean with the bolded above.  I think a lot of this has to do with gender traits.  Lots of combinations in the unicorn gender thingy.

So you could have a man in a female body attracted to a woman in a male body, etc.  OR, in this case, the young person may simply feel like a boy in terms of gender identity and/or gender expression but she may still be sexually attracted to people with a dick from a purely physical perspective.  I think a big part of the problem is all the hype and requirement to classify into fifty million different combinations.  Kind of like the pride flags where the number just seems to rise and rise.  Imagine being 12 and having to deal with that mess.

I agree about the number of combinations. Who cares which letters out of lgbtqia2s+... you are? It doesn't matter. You are what you are. It doesn't have to fit some preconceived notion.  But I think part of it is identity. People want to feel like they belong to a group somewhere. Especially if they live in a place that refuses to recognize somebody as who they are. 

A 12 year-old is definitely trying to figure out where they fit into society. I wish they all have a good support system to help them navigate.

5 minutes ago, toolg said:

I agree about the number of combinations. Who cares which letters out of lgbtqia2s+... you are? It doesn't matter. You are what you are. It doesn't have to fit some preconceived notion.  But I think part of it is identity. People want to feel like they belong to a group somewhere. Especially if they live in a place that refuses to recognize somebody as who they are. 

A 12 year-old is definitely trying to figure out where they fit into society. I wish they all have a good support system to help them navigate.

Yeah and there are tons of groups out there based on all sorts of things. Doesn’t have to be based on gender / sexual orientation either.

States have literally made it part of educator's jobs to protect children from child abuse and intervene when there is any suspicion that it is occurring or could occur at home. If there is the slightest hint of some form of abuse occurring at home,  and you do not inform authorities, you are wide open to criminal prosecution and lawsuits. Any regulations requiring teachers to not disclose a student's orientation to their homophobic parents is basically an extension of this. Don't like it? Talk to your legislators.

33 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

 

 

 

The solution to this is definitely putting the FL taxpayers on the hook for millions of dollars a year in perpetuity. 

43 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

 

 

 

It's more than that. A lot of employees apparently are also mad that the CEO made fairly large contributions to DeSantis' campaign. 

46 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

States have literally made it part of educator's jobs to protect children from child abuse and intervene when there is any suspicion that it is occurring or could occur at home. If there is the slightest hint of some form of abuse occurring at home,  and you do not inform authorities, you are wide open to criminal prosecution and lawsuits. Any regulations requiring teachers to not disclose a student's orientation to their homophobic parents is basically an extension of this. Don't like it? Talk to your legislators.

How do you automatically equate "abuse" with not disclosing a student's orientation to their parents?  That seems like a huge stretch to me.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

How do you automatically equate "abuse" with not disclosing a student's orientation to their parents?  That seems like a huge stretch to me.

 

3 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

They should, however, if the kid is conecealing it and divulges it to a trusted adult outside the home, there's probably a reason for it. Disclosing that and essentially "outing" them to parents that are not supportive could potentially lead to abuse. Whether you agree or disagree with the provision, and there is room to argue either, I think the motivation behind it is to prevent physical or psychological harm to the child.

Words. Read them.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

How do you automatically equate "abuse" with not disclosing a student's orientation to their parents?  That seems like a huge stretch to me.

 

What I said was that disclosing it could lead to some form of abuse if the kid is hiding it from homophobic parents.

3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

What I said was that disclosing it could lead to some form of abuse if the kid is hiding it from homophobic parents.

Surely there is a higher standard than "could".  How about "is likely to" or "there is a significant chance of" or something like that?

Yes it's likely it leads to abuse, but only after the election.