1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

You absolutely did in the beginning of COVID. I very specifically remember mocking you using r0 data for the original COVID strain relative to the flu and several other viruses after you shared some BS meme comparing the twi. Don't try to side step it now and hide behind your ex's job. 

And no we won't agree on that. Nor is that remotely the same as suggesting gay people are trying to "convert" children. Like that's remotely how being gay works.

"well hell I thought I liked **** but then my English teacher pointed out the gay subtext in Walt Whitman's work and I guess I love dick now". 

If you can say dick on here but not ****, I’m calling sexism. 

47 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

How about we all just agree that any conversation(s) about sexuality and sexual preference(s) or gender confusion between student and teacher are inappropriate.  Can we do that?  

 

Some of these kids have no one else to turn to to talk about these things because their parents are a bunch of bigots who belittle, berate, and trivialize even worse than schoolyard bullies, so they look to teachers, guidance counselors, etc. for confidence and acceptance. Many of them are suicidal and desperate for someone to show concern for their feelings, care for their mental health, and overall, just treat them with kindness because they can't get it at home.

Florida GOP threatens to take Disney’s privileges away over ‘Don’t Say Gay’ opposition

https://nypost.com/2022/03/30/florida-gop-threatens-to-take-disneys-privileges-away-over-dont-say-gay-opposition/

It is how they roll. Whining about cancel culture, but doing their best to make sure any opinion that doesn't match theirs is punished.

11 hours ago, SNOORDA said:

I don’t know about you guys but I always knew that once the gay community was excepted in mainstream society (which I’m fine with of course) that for many of not most gays would take it a step further.  Which they have. 

By the sounds of this, it seems you really are a-ok excepting gays in society. 

1/5 adults from Gen Z identify as LGBTQ+, but sure, there definitely hasn't been a concerted effort to recruit children into the community.

It's probably just true that 20% of the world's population has always been gay they've just been too persecuted and oppressed to come out until now. 

8 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Some of these kids have no one else to turn to to talk about these things because their parents are a bunch of bigots who belittle, berate, and trivialize even worse than schoolyard bullies, so they look to teachers, guidance counselors, etc. for confidence and acceptance. Many of them are suicidal and desperate for someone to show concern for their feelings, care for their mental health, and overall, just treat them with kindness because they can't get it at home.

How many of your students have come out to you?

But seriously, where the hell did teachers get this notion that they should be able to act in any way outside of parents consent when it comes to interacting with their children? This ish is creepy and weird on so many levels. The idea that a kid sits in your class for 8 months and you become this life coach/confidant and have the authority to discuss the kid's sexuality. Gross, man. 

If you want to be a child therapist or something, go for it. But if you're going to be in a teacher in a taxpayer funded school, they aren't "your kids" they are students you teach. Teach them what you're paid to teach them and leave discussions about sexuality to their parents and other professionals. Jesus.

19 minutes ago, Kz! said:

1/5 adults from Gen Z identify as LGBTQ+, but sure, there definitely hasn't been a concerted effort to recruit children into the community.

It's probably just true that 20% of the world's population has always been gay they've just been too persecuted and oppressed to come out until now. 

Yes, exactly! It isn't like LGBTQ+ is some club you are invited to join... The effort is to destigmatize LGBTQ+ individuals so they may be accepted for who they are. I am glad you are finally coming around to reality.

5 minutes ago, toolg said:

Yes, exactly! It isn't like LGBTQ+ is some club you are invited to join... The effort is to destigmatize LGBTQ+ individuals so they may be accepted for who they are. I am glad you are finally coming around to reality.

So you unironically believe that 20% (and growing) of the population is just naturally gay and always has been and the exploding number of lgbtq children is solely a result of destigmatization and not in any way related to the glorification of the community?

17 minutes ago, Kz! said:

How many of your students have come out to you?

But seriously, where the hell did teachers get this notion that they should be able to act in any way outside of parents consent when it comes to interacting with their children? This ish is creepy and weird on so many levels. The idea that a kid sits in your class for 8 months and you become this life coach/confidant and have the authority to discuss the kid's sexuality. Gross, man. 

If you want to be a child therapist or something, go for it. But if you're going to be in a teacher in a taxpayer funded school, they aren't "your kids" they are students you teach. Teach them what you're paid to teach them and leave discussions about sexuality to their parents and other professionals. Jesus.

You need to be more understanding.  There's an epidemic of kids in grades K-3rd grade that are suicidal and need someone to talk to about their sexuality.  If EaglesRocker won't stand up for these kids, who will?

25 minutes ago, Kz! said:

How many of your students have come out to you?

But seriously, where the hell did teachers get this notion that they should be able to act in any way outside of parents consent when it comes to interacting with their children? This ish is creepy and weird on so many levels. The idea that a kid sits in your class for 8 months and you become this life coach/confidant and have the authority to discuss the kid's sexuality. Gross, man. 

If you want to be a child therapist or something, go for it. But if you're going to be in a teacher in a taxpayer funded school, they aren't "your kids" they are students you teach. Teach them what you're paid to teach them and leave discussions about sexuality to their parents and other professionals. Jesus.

 

Well, I'm speaking from a high-school perspective. No one has come out directly to me, and I'm not talking so much about coming out as more just expressing feelings of confusion or isolation. This is not about anyone "taking authority" over a situation. It's about kids voluntarily expressing these things and looking for support. I think it happens a lot more with female teachers because there's more of an automatic level of comfort there. Personally, if it happened with me, I would refer them to guidance. What I have encountered, though, is a lot more transgender or gender nonconforming students, and you have to be very sensitive to their preferences, especially pronouns, or you will get called to the carpet in class and perhaps reprimanded by administration. I have been accused of "misgendering" a student when it was an honest mistake at the beginning of the year when I was still learning names and faces. I also have been assigned to teach AP Psychology (which is somehow just lumped in with social studies) in the past, and the topic of gender and sexuality is directly part of the curriculum, so you are literally getting paid to talk about it and you necessarily will have students in your class who are transgender/nonbinary, and if they are confident enough, will definitely want to discuss the topics openly. I'm not really comfortable doing it, but it almost feels like it's forced on you sometimes. It's feels like walking eggshells.

1 hour ago, Toastrel said:

Florida GOP threatens to take Disney’s privileges away over ‘Don’t Say Gay’ opposition

https://nypost.com/2022/03/30/florida-gop-threatens-to-take-disneys-privileges-away-over-dont-say-gay-opposition/

It is how they roll. Whining about cancel culture, but doing their best to make sure any opinion that doesn't match theirs is punished.

Without Disney, how many people would have no reason to visit that ish hole of a state? Skating on thin ice there, Ronald the Donald-wannabe.

1 minute ago, Kz! said:

So you unironically believe that 20% (and growing) of the population is just naturally gay and always has been and the exploding number of lgbtq children is solely a result of destigmatization and not the glorification of the community?

Yes. What is so glorifying about being rejected by your family, your community (especially if you're from a conservative religious community), your peers, some professions... There is still a lot of stigma, even in 2022.

6 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

You need to be more understanding.  There's an epidemic of kids in grades K-3rd grade that are suicidal and need someone to talk to about their sexuality.

 

Some of these measures are going beyond primary school and extending into the secondary realm from what I've been hearing.

2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

No one has come out directly to me, and I'm not talking so much about coming out as more just expressing feelings of confusion or isolation. This is not about anyone "taking authority" over a situation. It's about kids voluntarily expressing these things and looking for support. I think it happens a lot more with female teachers because there's more of an automatic level of comfort there. Personally, if it happened with me, I would refer them to guidance. What I have encountered, though, is a lot more transgender or gender nonconforming students, and you have to be very sensitive to their preferences, especially pronouns, or you will get called to the carpet in class and perhaps reprimanded by administration. I have been accused of "misgendering" a student when it was an honest mistake at the beginning of the year when I was still learning names and faces. I also have been assigned to teach AP Psychology in the past, and the topic of gender and sexuality is directly part of the curriculum, so you necessarily will have students in your class who are transgender/nonbinary, and if they are confident enough, will definitely want to discuss the topics openly. I'm not really comfortable doing it, but it almost feels like required it's forced on you sometimes. It's feels like walking eggshells.

That all seems very fair and reasonable, but your initial post came off way different than that.

I think teachers need to remember that they are public servants whose primary role is to serve the people who pay their salaries. No, you aren't morally superior to parents who don't want their kids indoctrinated into LGBTQIAA ideology because you think your politics are better. No, you don't get to supersede the wishes of the parent because you find their views backwards. 

1 hour ago, Toastrel said:

Florida GOP threatens to take Disney’s privileges away over ‘Don’t Say Gay’ opposition

https://nypost.com/2022/03/30/florida-gop-threatens-to-take-disneys-privileges-away-over-dont-say-gay-opposition/

It is how they roll. Whining about cancel culture, but doing their best to make sure any opinion that doesn't match theirs is punished.

Practically this makes no sense. Disney was given quasi-government rights over the community when Disney World was built. It has never existed under anything else. Can the state even seize the community's assets: roads, utilities,  fire companies, etc.? Then the state wants to run this community themselves? What a mess it would be.

Well Trumplicans like Ted Cruz believe that you just snap you fingers and choose to be gay or trans all of the sudden. So what is the need for indoctrination and recruiting if that is the case.

16 minutes ago, toolg said:

Yes. What is so glorifying about being rejected by your family, your community (especially if you're from a conservative religious community), your peers, some professions... There is still a lot of stigma, even in 2022.

OK, so you think it's completely natural that 20% of a population is gay and that percentage is growing and you believe there's still a lot of stigma preventing the full population of lgbt people from coming out. So when the remaining "stigma" is removed, what percentage of a population do you believe will be "naturally" gay? 40%? 50?

3 minutes ago, toolg said:

Practically this makes no sense. 

it's the Florida GOP so .... 

18 minutes ago, Kz! said:

So you unironically believe that 20% (and growing) of the population is just naturally gay and always has been and the exploding number of lgbtq children is solely a result of destigmatization and not in any way related to the glorification of the community?

 

2 minutes ago, Kz! said:

OK, so you think it's completely natural that 25% of a population is gay and that percentage is growing and you believe there's still a lot of stigma preventing the full population of lgbt people from coming out. So when the remaining "stigma" is removed, what percentage of a population do you believe will be "naturally" gay? 40%? 50?

Damn, it is growing.  It grew 5% in 16 minutes.

2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

 

Damn, it is growing.  It grew 5% in 16 minutes.

Thanks for the catch, van! Corrected!

2 minutes ago, Kz! said:

OK, so you think it's completely natural that 25% of a population is gay and that percentage is growing and you believe there's still a lot of stigma preventing the full population of lgbt people from coming out. So when the remaining "stigma" is removed, what percentage of a population do you believe will be "naturally" gay? 40%? 50?

I think part of the issue is the misconception that it's an all or nothing situation. Sexuality seems to be more a spectrum than a Gay/Not Gay situation. I would say a majority of people exist on one end of the spectrum or the other, however there are plenty of people along the spectrum. I think these people are now feeling more able to vocal about their feelings rather than just ignoring the way they feel because of the societal pressure to exist on the more favorable end of the spectrum. So you are seeing many in their developmental years determining and finding out who they are, which has probably always happened but now it's much more tolerated and open.

 

2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

 

Damn, it is growing.  It grew 5% in 16 minutes.

its up to 30% now. 

 

omg another pandemic !!!!! it's, it's a TRANSDEMIC !

11 minutes ago, toolg said:

Practically this makes no sense. Disney was given quasi-government rights over the community when Disney World was built. It has never existed under anything else. Can the state even seize the community's assets: roads, utilities,  fire companies, etc.? Then the state wants to run this community themselves? What a mess it would be.

It's all posturing and empty threats. A page out of cheeto's playbook.

6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

 

Damn, it is growing.  It grew 5% in 16 minutes.

Counting, calendars, and the comprehension of words.

18 minutes ago, Kz! said:

I think teachers need to remember that they are public servants whose primary role is to serve the people who pay their salaries. No, you aren't morally superior to parents who don't want their kids indoctrinated into LGBTQIAA ideology because you think your politics are better. No, you don't get to supersede the wishes of the parent because you find their views backwards. 

 

Where did you get that? I didn't say that, though. What I said was a direct response to a poster who said:

 

9 hours ago, SNOORDA said:

How about we all just agree that any conversation(s) about sexuality and sexual preference(s) or gender confusion between student and teacher are inappropriate.  Can we do that?  

 

My point was that A) Sometimes it's unavoidable and B) Sometimes these kids need a trusted adult outside of the home to talk to about these things for the sake of their own wellbeing. This isn't about making political statements or promoting a particular lifestyle, but just about being there to listen and respond to kids expressing deep-seated feelings of confusion and isolation to the only adults they think they can trust. I'm talking about kids simply reaching out for help, needing someone to talk to.