March 31, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: This is the only part I disagree with, because I'm pretty sure that 99% of the time, the parents are desperate to help a child who is extremely maladjusted, and then they are encouraged to do this by medical professionals who present it as a completely rational form of treatment, and then they and the kid see it reinforced by the media, etc., so everything seems to be pointing to it as the right thing to do. If a parent literally fears for their kid's life or future ability to function in society, they will trust the doctor's advice, even if it goes against their instincts. I'm not sure that we have to limit it to 18, because if someone really does need to transition, I'm pretty sure that they are much more likely to do so successfully before they are developmentally mature, so I could see an argument for maybe age 16 in extreme cases where a team of professionals reach a consensus with parental permission. Just my 2 cents. I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this. Being a parent is supposed to be hard, and despite the desires of this useless generation of millennial parents, you're NOT SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR KIDS FRIEND. Parents need to be parents and save kids from themselves in this case. You don't let a 12 year old make life altering medical decisions.
March 31, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this. Being a parent is supposed to be hard, and despite the desires of this useless generation of millennial parents, you're NOT SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR KIDS FRIEND. Parents need to be parents and save kids from themselves in this case. You don't let a 12 year old make life altering medical decisions. I'm not talking about being their friend, I'm talking about taking them to see doctors/psychiatrists and their promoting a particular kind of treatment. Most people who aren't in the medical field will pretty much do what the doctor tells them without question. They feel like they should do what the experts tell them.
March 31, 20223 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: I'm not talking about being their friend, I'm talking about taking them to see doctors/psychiatrists and their promoting a particular kind of treatment. Most people who aren't in the medical field will pretty much do what the doctor tells them without question. They feel like they should do what the experts tell them. Really? You were here the last 2 years with the whole vaccine thing?
March 31, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Hormone therapy/surgery If I had a 12 year old daughter that wanted to identify as a boy, I'd talk to her about it. Tell her she can cut her hair short, dress as a boy, etc. I'd also let her know that kids were going to make fun of her, and that she couldn't have a stroke if someone used the wrong pronoun because that's how it will be in real life. Then, if she still wanted to try it, I'd allow it for a bit and VERY closely monitor how she was handling it. And, frankly, I'd hope she'd grow out of it. It's like when every 12 year old girl at some point decides to be a vegetarian. You support it while secretly rooting for her to cave. That's reasonable. I inform every trans kid I refer to the the Boston Children's trans clinic that surgery and hormone therapy are not decisions that anyone takes likely and they will have likely have to wait until at least 18, have the approval of their parents, and after an extensive workup before those are options. I haven't seen one started on hormone therapy below 18 yet. Granted that's only an n of like 6 but in my discussions with them that's not something they typically do. Mostly they provide psychological support, support groups, discuss non-invasive methods of transitioning (eg breast binding), and at the most will go for puberty blockers if pubertal changes are causing a lot of distress. Then they can transition to the adult trans clinic when they're older where more options are available to them.
March 31, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Really? You were here the last 2 years with the whole vaccine thing? Good point. Well, most sane people, anyway. Liberals are at least much more likely to take the word of a professional as canon. Sometimes you have to just go with your gut, especially with new-fangled treatments. I wouldn't do it, but people are easily manipulated. I'm just not sure how you could arrest someone for doing what a doctor told them they should do.
March 31, 20223 yr I do not think you can just show up at the pediatrician's office one day, they prescribe hormone pills/blockers and perform plastic surgery on a kid who's going through some identity issues. It's going to take some effort to get to that point. I do think any sort of hormone therapy/reassignment on a kid is extreme.
March 31, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: That's reasonable. I inform every trans kid I refer to the the Boston Children's trans clinic that surgery and hormone therapy are not decisions that anyone takes likely and they will have likely have to wait until at least 18, have the approval of their parents, and after an extensive workup before those are options. I haven't seen one started on hormone therapy below 18 yet. Granted that's only an n of like 6 but in my discussions with them that's not something they typically do. Mostly they provide psychological support, support groups, discuss non-invasive methods of transitioning (eg breast binding), and at the most will go for puberty blockers if pubertal changes are causing a lot of distress. Then they can transition to the adult trans clinic when they're older where more options are available to them. Don't pubertal changes give most people at least some amount of distress? I feel like you're trading one form of distress for another, when you're 17 and you look like a 10 year old.
March 31, 20223 yr I'm curious how involved I'll need to be in my kids' lives to avoid them from becoming traitorous conspiracy theory believing idiots who get made fun of by anyone that's ever met them.
March 31, 20223 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: I'm curious how involved I'll need to be in my kids' lives to avoid them from becoming traitorous conspiracy theory believing idiots who get made fun of by anyone that's ever met them. If you are a good, non-abusive parent that's heavily involved in your child's life, the chance turn out like Kz is very, very small.
March 31, 20223 yr 53 minutes ago, Kz! said: I can't imagine how naïve you have to be to think that exploding rates of transgenderism and kids identifying as LGBT is completely normal and natural. That's why I always say liberalism is a cult. You even included a picture designed to brainwash and confuse impressionable children and everything. Unreal. I hate that I tend to agree with you on this topic.
March 31, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: If you are a good, non-abusive parent that's heavily involved in your child's life, the chance turn out like Kz is very, very small. I believe this is the real crisis the US faces. **** parenting. Easier to plop them in front of a screen, and whine that the schools are not teaching them proper behavior. Parenting is hard work. Smacking a hand reaching for fire and making your kid cry, sucks. Telling them "No." sucks when you see their little faces, eyes full of tears. Being interested and involved in your kids seriously cuts down your free time, if you have any.
March 31, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: I believe this is the real crisis the US faces. **** parenting. Easier to plop them in front of a screen, and whine that the schools are not teaching them proper behavior. Parenting is hard work. Smacking a hand reaching for fire and making your kid cry, sucks. Telling them "No." sucks when you see their little faces, eyes full of tears. Being interested and involved in your kids seriously cuts down your free time, if you have any. The problem is moreso that the parents, not the kids, are a bunch of pu$$ies.
March 31, 20223 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: The problem moreso that the parents, not the kids, are a bunch of pu$$ies. Lazy. Making a baby takes very little. Raising one properly is hard work. Satisfying. I have two wonderful, self-sufficient, good humans who do the right thing, daughters.
March 31, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Don't pubertal changes give most people at least some amount of distress? I feel like you're trading one form of distress for another, when you're 17 and you look like a 10 year old. Much more-so if those pubertal changes are pushing you towards a gender you don't identify with (eg breasts if you feel like a man, facial hair if you feel like a woman etc). Puberty is a time with a big increase in depression in trans kids. But yeah that is the trade-off. But it buys you time to get to adulthood before you can make those decisions with more perspective, and allows a much easier transition at that stage if that's the route the person chooses. Much better than just starting estrogen/testosterone at the onset of puberty. Plus it's reversible if they change their mind.
March 31, 20223 yr Author 48 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I'm curious how involved I'll need to be in my kids' lives to avoid them from becoming traitorous conspiracy theory believing idiots who get made fun of by anyone that's ever met them.
March 31, 20223 yr Author 36 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Much more-so if those pubertal changes are pushing you towards a gender you don't identify with (eg breasts if you feel like a man, facial hair if you feel like a woman etc). Puberty is a time with a big increase in depression in trans kids. But yeah that is the trade-off. But it buys you time to get to adulthood before you can make those decisions with more perspective, and allows a much easier transition at that stage if that's the route the person chooses. Much better than just starting estrogen/testosterone at the onset of puberty. Plus it's reversible if they change their mind. Giving a kid something that delays puberty is 100% reversible and doesn't cause any longterm effects? That's surprising to me.
March 31, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, toolg said: No. First, understand there is a spectrum. And gender identity is not sexual orientation is not how you dress or who you are attracted to. Everybody is on the spectrum: From straight, cisgender to homosexual, transsexual, asexual, queer, whatever. You are what you are. Nobody is going to change that. Not a teacher. Not a parent who refuses to accept a LGBTQ+ child. Nobody. So there are no environmental factors at play? The die is cast and a complete externality?
March 31, 20223 yr 37 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: So there are no environmental factors at play? The die is cast and a complete externality? I do not know what makes someone gay or straight or whatever. Environmental factors? I can't say yes or no, but I feel there is much more at play. Somebody might force you to look or act a certain way, but I think your body chemistry will eventually determine who you are attracted to. I feel somebody who is gay has a different makeup than someone who is straight, or bi-, or asexual, or whatever.
March 31, 20223 yr Author 20 minutes ago, toolg said: I do not know what makes someone gay or straight or whatever. Environmental factors? I can't say yes or no, but I feel there is much more at play. Somebody might force you to look or act a certain way, but I think your body chemistry will eventually determine who you are attracted to. I feel somebody who is gay has a different makeup than someone who is straight, or bi-, or asexual, or whatever. Sounds like your opinion is really based on science.
March 31, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Kz! said: Sounds like your opinion is really based on science. It is. I think it is a combination of factors.
March 31, 20223 yr Author Imagine believing the explosion of trans and lgbtq children was completely natural.
March 31, 20223 yr I think to a certain degree, during pride month especially, there is a prevailing theme of "it's cool to be gay or trans" in the media our children consume and in our culture in general.
March 31, 20223 yr Teachers at Eau Claire School District in Wisconsin were told not to reveal a pupil's sexual orientation and gender identity to parents if they confided in them Staff were told 'Remember, parents are not entitled to know their kids' identities. That knowledge must be earned.'
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