November 6, 20241 yr Arizona Colorado Maryland Missouri Montana Nebraska actually voted against Nevada New York South Dakota voted no And then there's Florida that majority voted for but that 60% to pass Fed us again
November 7, 20241 yr I don’t want to be all "my generation is so much better than yours,” but wow is Gen Z dumb
November 7, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, toolg said: I don’t want to be all "my generation is so much better than yours,” but wow is Gen Z dumb He literally does not plan to ban abortion. So you are at least as dumb as her.
November 7, 20241 yr Will be interesting to see how much of an issue the Dems can still make of abortion in 4 years. Didn't seem to matter as much in this cycle as it did in the mid terms. If they lose the ability to beat the abortion drum they lose their single biggest motivator to get women out to vote.
November 7, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, toolg said: I don’t want to be all "my generation is so much better than yours,” but wow is Gen Z dumb One of my wife's co-worker's... a grown woman with a master's degree said the same thing "The senate or something controls that, not Trump".
November 7, 20241 yr 45 minutes ago, Gannan said: One of my wife's co-worker's... a grown woman with a master's degree said the same thing "The senate or something controls that, not Trump". Again, it would require a constitutional amendment to ban abortion at the federal level, so, yes, most likely it would require the senate because a constitutional convention is even more unlikely. She is literally more knowledgeable than you by accident.
November 7, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: Again, it would require a constitutional amendment to ban abortion at the federal level, so, yes, most likely it would require the senate because a constitutional convention is even more unlikely. She is literally more knowledgeable than you by accident. I don’t see the argument that a national abortion ban needs a Constitutional amendment. Just a bill that passes Congress. Unless you think states will make a 10th Amendment case…which I don’t see flying with this SCOTUS.
November 7, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, TEW said: Again, it would require a constitutional amendment to ban abortion at the federal level, so, yes, most likely it would require the senate because a constitutional convention is even more unlikely. She is literally more knowledgeable than you by accident. The president nominates Supreme Court justices who have had a far bigger impact on abortion rights than Congress. I'm not even convinced a federal law passed by Congress "codifying the right" to abortion would be upheld by this court. Republicans have been incredibly fortunate to stack the court as they have despite not holding the white house. Well, fortunate and dirty as hell.
November 7, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, TEW said: Again, it would require a constitutional amendment to ban abortion at the federal level, so, yes, most likely it would require the senate because a constitutional convention is even more unlikely. She is literally more knowledgeable than you by accident. I don’t know that this is true. But, lets say that it is true for arguments sake that the federal government does not have the authority to pass a nationwide abortion ban themselves. There’s ways around this. Congress could pass a law that provides for a decrease in funding to states that don’t ban abortion. Similar to how the federal government got states to enact drinking age of 21.
November 7, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, TEW said: Again, it would require a constitutional amendment to ban abortion at the federal level, so, yes, most likely it would require the senate because a constitutional convention is even more unlikely. She is literally more knowledgeable than you by accident. Hrmmmm let me put this in a way you can understand...
November 7, 20241 yr idk how crazy things are going to get but i told my kid to make sure he doesn't knock up his gf. best advice i could think of at the time.
November 7, 20241 yr 15 hours ago, TEW said: He literally does not plan to ban abortion. So you are at least as dumb as her. Trump appointed the Justices to SCOTUS who repealed Roe v. Wade so states can ban abortion. Even if he turns around, closes his eyes, and promises not to look as states across the union ban abortion, Trump is complicit. Don't be so dense. There was another candidate in the election who promised to support women's health and the right to choose.
November 7, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, toolg said: Trump appointed the Justices to SCOTUS who repealed Roe v. Wade so states can ban abortion. Even if he turns around, closes his eyes, and promises not to look as states across the union ban abortion, Trump is complicit. Don't be so dense. There was another candidate in the election who promised to support women's health and the right to choose. Roe v. Wade was a joke, legally, and everyone knew it. It may have been convenient for you, but convenience isn’t how law works. Want abortion to be an actual right? Convince people it should be. Don’t get mad and blame Trump or the judges he appointed because they understand legal theory and federalism. Or maybe abortion is not as popular as you believe, in which case delegating it to the states is the correct constitutional solution.
November 7, 20241 yr 15 hours ago, vikas83 said: I don’t see the argument that a national abortion ban needs a Constitutional amendment. Just a bill that passes Congress. Unless you think states will make a 10th Amendment case…which I don’t see flying with this SCOTUS. Yes, 10th amendment, and in a twist of irony, it would be the conservative justices that would strike down such a ban.
November 7, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, mr_hunt said: idk how crazy things are going to get but i told my kid to make sure he doesn't knock up his gf. best advice i could think of at the time. That’s just basic parenting regardless of the law.
November 7, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: I don’t know that this is true. But, lets say that it is true for arguments sake that the federal government does not have the authority to pass a nationwide abortion ban themselves. There’s ways around this. Congress could pass a law that provides for a decrease in funding to states that don’t ban abortion. Similar to how the federal government got states to enact drinking age of 21. Sure, they could. That’s not a federal ban though, and the states themselves have ways to work around this. Louisiana is a great example. The sale of alcohol to under 21 year olds is illegal, but consumption by under 21 year olds is not.
November 7, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, TEW said: That’s just basic parenting regardless of the law. it is...but it seemed appropriate at the time & i like to remind him occasionally anyway. 2nd year in college isn't a great time to have a baby on the way.
November 7, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: Roe v. Wade was a joke, legally, and everyone knew it. It may have been convenient for you, but convenience isn’t how law works. Want abortion to be an actual right? Convince people it should be. Don’t get mad and blame Trump or the judges he appointed because they understand legal theory and federalism. Or maybe abortion is not as popular as you believe, in which case delegating it to the states is the correct constitutional solution. Roe v. Wade affirmed women's due process to make medical decisions for themselves and their families. It's not about convenience nor popularity.
November 7, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, mr_hunt said: idk how crazy things are going to get but i told my kid to make sure he doesn't knock up his gf. best advice i could think of at the time. According to my wife I scared the living ish out of our daughter. Not sorry.
November 7, 20241 yr 50 minutes ago, toolg said: Roe v. Wade affirmed women's due process to make medical decisions for themselves and their families. It's not about convenience nor popularity. It was literally about convenience. It was about creating a right without an amendment. That was its entire legal and political raison d'etre.
November 10, 20241 yr On 11/7/2024 at 3:55 PM, TEW said: Roe v. Wade was a joke, legally, and everyone knew it. It may have been convenient for you, but convenience isn’t how law works. Want abortion to be an actual right? Convince people it should be. Don’t get mad and blame Trump or the judges he appointed because they understand legal theory and federalism. Or maybe abortion is not as popular as you believe, in which case delegating it to the states is the correct constitutional solution. The state to state variability has already shown the huge problems, exactly as predicted. Its a terribly weak argument, legally
November 10, 20241 yr On 11/7/2024 at 5:06 PM, toolg said: Roe v. Wade affirmed women's due process to make medical decisions for themselves and their families. It's not about convenience nor popularity. And that relates to privacy how again?
November 10, 20241 yr I have little respect for Biden but one thing he did or at least said he was going to do recently made me say "Finally". He said that in the wake of abortion become less available in some places, he was going to work to make contraceptives more easily available. There is little to no controversy about any one having reasonable access to contraceptives AFAIK. There may be risks to very young girls messing with their hormones during puberty, I am clueless about such things. But there's no images of a living being (in some peoples view) being dismembered or poisoned in utero.
November 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, eglz1 said: There is little to no controversy about any one having reasonable access to contraceptives AFAIK You sweet summer child
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