47 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said:

how can i monetize my popularity here?

You'll need a different format. Have you considered only fans?

2 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

You'll need a different format. Have you considered only fans?

are you asking for yourself?

1 minute ago, Arthur Jackson said:

are you asking for yourself?

I ain't got time for that **** 

1 minute ago, lynched1 said:

I ain't got time for that **** 

you'd make time if you saw me on a bearskin rug wearing Green Lantern knickers

1 hour ago, Arthur Jackson said:

you'd make time if you saw me on a bearskin rug wearing Green Lantern knickers

That's just uncalled for 😆

12 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

It’s not really mysterious, and it’s not the argument. 

It was a chicken egg and it wasn't fertilized.  Those two things were not the same.

 

1 hour ago, sameaglesfan said:

It was a chicken egg and it wasn't fertilized.  Those two things were not the same.

 

Except that people eat fertilized chicken eggs all the time. Some do purposely, most don’t even know they are eating them. The smaller the farm you get your eggs from, the higher chance of getting one. If there is a rooster around, some are gonna be fertilized, but most eggs are gathered before they have a chance to develop. 

Scientifically the difference between an unfertilized egg and a fertilized one is just one necessary step in the development process. 

In humans, I fail to see the necessity to legally treat a fertilized egg as "fully human" when it's really just a small step towards being human. 

A necessary step sure, but every step in the process is necessary. Ovulation, fertilization, embryo attachment, etc. 

An embryo doesn't remotely resemble anything we'd recognize as "human"  for quite a while after fertilization.

16 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Scientifically the difference between an unfertilized egg and a fertilized one is just one necessary step in the development process. 

In humans, I fail to see the necessity to legally treat a fertilized egg as "fully human" when it's really just a small step towards being human. 

A necessary step sure, but every step in the process is necessary. Ovulation, fertilization, embryo attachment, etc. 

An embryo doesn't remotely resemble anything we'd recognize as "human"  for quite a while after fertilization.

Fertilization is, scientifically, the first step in a human life.  You can parse words all you want and it doesn't change that fact.

Any other line you want to draw in the process is totally arbitrary and only convenient for discussions of abortion

You really think your mother's ovulation was a part of your development as a human???  Nonsense.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Fertilization is, scientifically, the first step in a human life.  You can parse words all you want and it doesn't change that fact.

Any other line you want to draw in the process is totally arbitrary and only convenient for discussions of abortion.

This isn’t a question of science. This is a question of when that life is granted rights. Right now, the clear cut line is when that life is born.  If you want to move that line back to conception, are you ready to give a fetus the same rights as a breathing human? Maybe issue a fertilization certificate? Give them a SSN, life insurance? 

Life begins at birth. Before that, there is no life. Not to mention the embryo is fully dependent on the life and health of the mother. 

9 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

This isn’t a question of science. This is a question of when that life is granted rights. Right now, the clear cut line is when that life is born.  If you want to move that line back to conception, are you ready to give a fetus the same rights as a breathing human? Maybe issue a fertilization certificate? Give them a SSN, life insurance? 

Oh so now it's not a question of science. When it's no longer convenient for you all to crow about "trusting the science" now it's about something else.

And what you said is not true because if an unborn child is killed then there is usually a legal penalty, correct?

All I'm advocating for is a right to life.  No other rights are needed.  But it seems all you want to do is convolute the issue and you can't get past the very first step which is acknowledging that human life biologically begins at conception.

10 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Life begins at birth. Before that, there is no life. Not to mention the embryo is fully dependent on the life and health of the mother. 

This is the dumbest thing I've read today but it's still early.

Clearly you don't have children. 

Again, even newborn babies are fully dependent on others to survive.  All of your arguments are horribly wrong.

Abortion up to the instant of birth is evil and disgusting.  

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

This is the dumbest thing I've read today but it's still early.

Clearly you don't have children. 

Again, even newborn babies are fully dependent on others to survive.  All of your arguments are horribly wrong.

Abortion up the the instant of birth is evil and disgusting.  

Maga loves the abortions up to the instant of birth claim, yet there is no evidence that this actually occurs. If it does, it's rare and involves the health of the mother. Something you don't give a crap about. So I'd say that's stupidest thing I have read today. Congrats to you. 

19 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Maga loves the abortions up to the instant of birth claim, yet there is no evidence that this actually occurs. If it does, it's rare and involves the health of the mother. Something you don't give a crap about. So I'd say that's stupidest thing I have read today. Congrats to you. 

You literally just said before birth there is no life.  What does that imply?  

38 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

This isn’t a question of science. This is a question of when that life is granted rights. Right now, the clear cut line is when that life is born.  If you want to move that line back to conception, are you ready to give a fetus the same rights as a breathing human? Maybe issue a fertilization certificate? Give them a SSN, life insurance? 

Don't forget access to the HOV lanes on the highway!

 

IMO, Life requires consciousness of thought. There is no consciousness inside the womb. None of us have memories of being in the womb because we don't have consciousness of thought. Thus, a fetus in the womb is not a life. It is not self aware. There is no private thought, imagination or volition. There is no wakefulness until birth. A fetus does not see light until birth. 

 

6 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

IMO, Life requires consciousness of thought. There is no consciousness inside the womb. None of us have memories of being in the womb because we don't have consciousness of thought. Thus, a fetus in the womb is not a life. It is not self aware. There is no private thought, imagination or volition. There is no wakefulness until birth. A fetus does not see light until birth. 

 

There's a reason we celebrate birthdays and mark them as how long you have been alive. There is no celebration for fetus viability day or heartbeat day or zygote day.

2 hours ago, jsdarkstar said:

IMO, Life requires consciousness of thought. There is no consciousness inside the womb. None of us have memories of being in the womb because we don't have consciousness of thought. Thus, a fetus in the womb is not a life. It is not self aware. There is no private thought, imagination or volition. There is no wakefulness until birth. A fetus does not see light until birth. 

 

Does a 1 week old baby have memories?  Conscious thought?  "Wakefulness"??

Stop making this up as you go.  You're clueless.

2 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

There's a reason we celebrate birthdays and mark them as how long you have been alive. There is no celebration for fetus viability day or heartbeat day or zygote day.

Yeah there's no celebration at all when you become pregnant.  

Next time I see a baby shower or gender reveal party I'll remind them that it's not a big deal, that human life inside of you is nothing special.

Liberals go from "just be nice, live and let live, and stuff" to Josef Mengele instantaneously when it comes to abortion

saying that fertilization is "the first step" is entirely arbitrary. 

there are steps that have to be taken before fertilization for a human life to form. there are also plenty of steps after.

a fertilized egg, implanted embryo, or early stage embryo growing within a human female are fundamentally the same as many other mammalian species. it's only when it begins to truly develop as a human that I would call it a "human life"

this is all fairly subjective, but it illustrates the complications. it certainly is complicated enough that the decision should be left to the individual, not to their neighbor's interpretation. 

9 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Does a 1 week old baby have memories?  Conscious thought?  "Wakefulness"??

Stop making this up as you go.  You're clueless.

Yes.

It Is not made up. You are the one who is clueless about the definition of life. You are the one making it up. You're a total joke. 

17 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

saying that fertilization is "the first step" is entirely arbitrary. 

there are steps that have to be taken before fertilization for a human life to form. there are also plenty of steps after.

a fertilized egg, implanted embryo, or early stage embryo growing within a human female are fundamentally the same as many other mammalian species. it's only when it begins to truly develop as a human that I would call it a "human life"

this is all fairly subjective, but it illustrates the complications. it certainly is complicated enough that the decision should be left to the individual, not to their neighbor's interpretation. 

It's biologically the first step in a human life.  It is the very first instant of a having the full DNA able to develop into a human.

It's not arbitrary or subjective, you just want it to be.  Your phrase "truly develop as a human" is completely arbitrary and not based on science.  The moment of conception is when a human "truly begins to develop".  

Again, was your mom's ovulation part of your life?  No it wasn't.  The conception of you as a human being was the first instant a unique you existed.

You're denying scientific fact to suit your political opinion