June 27, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: As ridiculous as it is that you think this is some non consequential barrier, don't worry, the Red States are also lining up laws to go after those that cross those lines for an abortion. The I guess you'll think it's really funny how they only have to go to Canada and move there. And of course notice how he said, "WOMEN should choose more carefully who they have sex with". Not men, of course, who are the ones who instigate sexual intercourse most of the time. These f'ers are walking parodies of barbarism. 20 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Just a wild thought- maybe a woman should be careful to whom they decide to have sex with? Crazy I know, but there are a lot of crazy people out there, men too, should be very careful with whom they have sex with. It's wrought with all kind of dangers: Sexually transmitted diseases, crabs, unwanted children, crazy baby mama drama, financial hardships. I mean if the schools should be teaching anuything about sex to kids, the bolded should be near the top right next to - contraceptives, and how easy they are to get. Dude you really should take the time to read it more thoroughly. I clearly stated MEN TOO. Highlighted above. I made it in larger print so you could read it this time instead of just projecting your thoughts onto me.
June 27, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Dude you really should take the time to read it more thoroughly. I clearly stated MEN TOO. Highlighted above. I made it in larger print so you could read it this time instead of just thinking projecting your thoughts onto me. OK, fine, at least you are all getting on record that you believe in the country having a great less sex. you're leaving Omega out to dry though.
June 27, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Logic says very clearly to me that if it can't live outside the womb, it's not a baby yet. A heartbeat is a completely sentimental launching point that has nothing to do with anything. Like, why not the liver or the kidneys? I give the heartbeat as a compromise position that I'd be willing to accept as an arguement. Babies can lbe born without kidneys and survive https://www.godupdates.com/baby-born-with-no-kidneys-is-a-true-miracle/
June 27, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Dude you really should take the time to read it more thoroughly. I clearly stated MEN TOO. Highlighted above. I made it in larger print so you could read it this time instead of just projecting your thoughts onto me. Just to be sure, when you say MEN in this post you are talking about Trans Men, right? You know, men trapped in a female body.
June 27, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: OK, fine, at least you are all getting on record that you believe in the country having a great less sex. you're leaving Omega out to dry though. Nah, I believe in contraceptives, also added that part in the high school teaching part. I think it's an abhorent practice to use abortion as a means for general birth Control. I do give exeptions for things such as medial, rape or incest. I just think it's a barbaric practice considering the abundance of effective birth control available. And no I do not agree with doing away with Birth Control, thats a hard pass for me.
June 27, 20223 yr Just now, Ipiggles said: I give the heartbeat as a compromise position that I'd be willing to accept as an arguement. Babies can lbe born without kidneys and survive https://www.godupdates.com/baby-born-with-no-kidneys-is-a-true-miracle/ Oh so it is about survival?
June 27, 20223 yr Just now, dawkins4prez said: Oh so it is about survival? Let me ask you, what makes you decide it's about the birth? I am really trying to understand this
June 27, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: It's only "reasonable" because that's what you've been conditioned to believe is reasonable. Where you see the heartbeat as the indicator of human life, many people see brain development as the indicator of human life. Apes have a very similar heart as we do. So do plenty of other lesser beings. What separates us is our brains. Brain development is the key indicator of human life. If we used that as a cutoff criteria we'd still be legally allowed to abort half of CVON.
June 27, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: you seriously only heard about the SC overturning Roe v Wade from CVON? no, i heard about it from plenty of platforms, but i never once heard anyone refer to dobbs. now, i didnt read the articles, so im just talking about headlines and sub-headlines. the reason i didnt read the articles is because i like to find an outlet that will just give me facts, and then i can formulate my own opinion with influence from any third party.
June 27, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: I give the heartbeat as a compromise position that I'd be willing to accept as an arguement. Babies can lbe born without kidneys and survive https://www.godupdates.com/baby-born-with-no-kidneys-is-a-true-miracle/ Weird example to use considering the VAST majority of those children are either crushed to death during delivery due to a lack of amniotic fluid and/or suffocate brutally because their lungs never developed properly again because of lack of amniotic fluid. I'm having a hard time thinking of a more horrific delivery than a baby without kidneys. And I've delivered kids with their intestines on the outside and on more than one occasions a kid without brains.
June 27, 20223 yr Just now, DEagle7 said: If we used that as a cutoff criteria we'd still be legally allowed to abort half of CVON.
June 27, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: It's only "reasonable" because that's what you've been conditioned to believe is reasonable. Where you see the heartbeat as the indicator of human life, many people see brain development as the indicator of human life. Apes have a very similar heart as we do. So do plenty of other lesser beings. What separates us is our brains. Brain development is the key indicator of human life. Ok so lets say by brain activity - that would be around 8 weeks. Or first trimester,. And yet many states have and some are pushing for much longer time periods even up to and including birth. secondly- you are correct, what seperates US is our brains. 2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Weird example to use considering the VAST majority of those children are either crushed to death during delivery due to a lack of amniotic fluid and/or suffocate brutally because their lungs never developed properly again because of lack of amniotic fluid. I'm having a hard time thinking of a more horrific delivery than a baby without kidneys. And I've delivered kids with their intestines on the outside and on more than one occasions a kid without brains. Thats horrible. It was just a point. Wish that on no one.
June 27, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Ipiggles said: Thats horrible. It was just a point. Wish that on no one. It is. And unfortunately in some cases that's not diagnosed until the 20 week anatomy scan
June 27, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Ipiggles said: Ok so lets say by brain activity - that would be around 8 weeks. Or first trimester,. And yet many states have and some are pushing for much longer time periods even up to and including birth. secondly- you are correct, what seperates US is our brains. Consciousness starts at around 5 months, or 20ish weeks. https://www.science.org/content/article/when-does-your-baby-become-conscious
June 27, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Let me ask you, what makes you decide it's about the birth? I am really trying to understand this I dunno, how old are you?
June 27, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, DEagle7 said: It is. And unfortunately in some cases that's not diagnosed until the 20 week anatomy scan There are a lot of medical reasons I would support aborting a fetus. Just now, dawkins4prez said: I dunno, how old are you? Guessing a decade or two older than you. Closer to 60 than I am 50.
June 27, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Ipiggles said: Guessing a decade or two older than you. Closer to 60 than I am 50. You got a big celebration planned for turning 60?
June 27, 20223 yr 36 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Only good song out of the list IMO no accounting for taste.
June 27, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said: Wow, another agreement! Yes, I 100% agree that we are quickly moving towards a theocracy comparable to the more "liberal" muslim anti-women Hell Holes. "If you can’t commit infanticide you’re moving towards theocracy.”
June 27, 20223 yr 35 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: I am trying to understand, how some people can have so much compassion for a baby outside the womb, and yet completely disconnect any feelings and have ZERO compassion for the baby in the womb? I get that they were conditioned to believe it's not "a baby" until it's born, but doesn't logic kick in at some point, and you realize, thats a real human baby developing in the womb. I can see drawing a distinction at a heartbeat, that seems like a reasonable place. That no heartbeat, means it is just a clump of cells and having a heartbeat means it is no longer JUST a part of the WOMAN host. Which can be as early as 3 weeks after fertilization, which is why it's unnacceptable for those Pro Choice advocates, because thats often too early for them to tell. (which would not be my problem) The heart is just a blood pumping organ. Its notoriety is because its job results in a readily identifiable mechanic we associate with life. The line IMHO is when the brain is formed enough for a fetus to have independent thoughts. Not just reaction to stimulus, but some actual level of consciousness and sense of self.
June 27, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, TEW said: "If you can’t commit infanticide you’re moving towards theocracy.” Glad you showed up, cuz when I was talking about people who want to make sure women stay underpaid because they are a threat to have kids and ruin the corporate machine, here I present NEANDERTHAL #1
June 27, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: people who want to make sure women stay underpaid because they are a threat to have kids and ruin the corporate machine Is this a joke or do you believe this?
June 27, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: You got a big celebration planned for turning 60? Not yet, a few years away yet, I try to celebrate each day.
June 27, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Glad you showed up, cuz when I was talking about people who want to make sure women stay underpaid because they are a threat to have kids and ruin the corporate machine, here I present NEANDERTHAL #1 Do I want women to be unpaid corporate slaves who never have kids because it would disrupt the money machine or barefoot and pregnant because that’s a woman’s place? Sh**libs need to make up their minds about which straw man they’re going to throw at me.
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