June 28, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said: I guess I would ask why is it a problem? How you define yourself, and how I define myself, don't have anything to do with how others see themselves. And I think physical attributes are inextricably linked with the gender discussion. And really, the whole thing wouldn't be a problem if people like Kz there weren't such uptight **** who refuse to acknowledge differences in the world. Yeah, the explosion in rates of trans people in recent years is not a good thing. These people are disproportionately depressed, mentally ill, commit suicide at astronomically higher rates than the rest of the population. It isn't good or moral to give people "gender affirming care" and/or celebrate their decision to pretend they are the opposite sex even if it makes you feel morally superior. It's actually bad for them and bad for society as a whole.
June 28, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, TEW said: Better keep the rapists in prison then and scrap the democrats retarded "criminal justice reform.” https://nypost.com/2020/02/03/man-freed-thanks-to-bail-reform-then-busted-for-rape-shows-what-lawmakers-got-wrong/amp/ The most incarcerated nation in the world needs major prison reform. Even Trump knew that, until he found out like everyone else how it puts a target on your back politically. Neither party has the guts to stand up to the prison complex mafia.
June 28, 20223 yr Just now, dawkins4prez said: The most incarcerated nation in the world needs major prison reform. Even Trump knew that, until he found out like everyone else how it puts a target on your back politically. Neither party has the guts to stand up to the prison complex mafia. Or maybe the police are just doing the best job in the world… Funny thing is, we have the actual data, and whenever we go through this process of releasing criminals the crime rate goes up. Because by in large, the people who are incarcerated are criminals.
June 28, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said: Again, that's up to that individual to figure out. It has no effect on my life if Jane down the street thinks of herself as a man. That's her/his? story to figure out. A few things: 1) I personally hope everyone finds peace in who they are 2) I know it's not a choice, no one would choose to live a harder life just for fun. 3) If a person has a mental disorder , say they are bipolar- we try to help them through treatments and medications to live a more normal life. If a person is manic depressive, we again try to help them. But if a person experiences some gender dysphoria, instead of trying to help them, we enable their issues, we glamorize it, and even enable self mutilation. Why do we treat mental issues regarding Gender differently from all others? 7 minutes ago, TEW said: Would you see someone as mentally I’ll if they had body dysmorphia and felt compelled to amputate their arms and legs? Of course you would. We’d all sit there and think the person has a serious mental condition that needs be treated, because they do. But now we have to pretend like trannies aren’t mentally ill, even as they engage in genital mutilation, irreversible hormone treatment, and nearly half attempt to commit suicide. And the worst part is we know that roughly half of all trannies have a diagnosed mental health disorder, but we won’t even begin to approach the issue from that very obvious starting point because of woke politics. https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/trgh.2019.0029 Beat me to it.
June 28, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, TEW said: Or maybe the police are just doing the best job in the world… Funny thing is, we have the actual data, and whenever we go through this process of releasing criminals the crime rate goes up. Because by in large, the people who are incarcerated are criminals. Yes it does go up, but the data also says we are the most incarcerated nation in the world. More than all those shite holes we call oppressed. The problem comes with how we create life long criminals, first by incarcerating them at a young age and then roadblocking the reintegration into society. But these things are hard to turn around, and we already have hundreds of thousands hopelessly lost to the churn. So politicians side with the ruling class and never have the backbone to fix it.
June 28, 20223 yr 34 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said: Again, that's up to that individual to figure out. It has no effect on my life if Jane down the street thinks of herself as a man. That's her/his? story to figure out. Guess you haven't been paying any attention whatsoever. This topic is a rather large problem particular in the US. You may not personally be experiencing any issue with it but it is consuming a tremendous amount of energy and time in many of our basic institutions, e.g. universities, media outlets, Congressional hearings, local school board meetings, etc etc etc etc. Frankly, the topic is all over the place and is a contributing element of division.
June 28, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, TEW said: Would you see someone as mentally I’ll if they had body dysmorphia and felt compelled to amputate their arms and legs? Of course you would. We’d all sit there and think the person has a serious mental condition that needs be treated, because they do. But now we have to pretend like trannies aren’t mentally ill, even as they engage in genital mutilation, irreversible hormone treatment, and nearly half attempt to commit suicide. And the worst part is we know that roughly half of all trannies have a diagnosed mental health disorder, but we won’t even begin to approach the issue from that very obvious starting point because of woke politics. https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/trgh.2019.0029 18 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: A few things: 1) I personally hope everyone finds peace in who they are 2) I know it's not a choice, no one would choose to live a harder life just for fun. 3) If a person has a mental disorder , say they are bipolar- we try to help them through treatments and medications to live a more normal life. If a person is manic depressive, we again try to help them. But if a person experiences some gender dysphoria, instead of trying to help them, we enable their issues, we glamorize it, and even enable self mutilation. Why do we treat mental issues regarding Gender differently from all others? Beat me to it. Why do you care? What I mean by that is, I don't care if somebody with body dysmorphia cuts off their arms and legs. It doesn't affect my life. I hope they can find some peace or a way to deal with their issues without resorting to that extreme, but if they do it, it's a decision they have to live with. Same with trannies chopping off their schweens. Who cares? If that's what they want to do, it doesn't affect me in any tangible way. If a bi-polar person is in a super depressed state, and ultimately kills themselves (without harming anybody else, like jumping off a building is kind of a richard move); it's sad, it's unfortunate that another human was in such rough shape that was their way out.....but it doesn't affect me. Now, if it's a relative or loved one going through it, of course that's going to affect me, but why people get so worked up about strangers and what they do to themselves is beyond me. Do we care about people who cover their bodies in tattoos? Why not?
June 28, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Guess you haven't been paying any attention whatsoever. This topic is a rather large problem particular in the US. You may not personally be experiencing any issue with it but it is consuming a tremendous amount of energy and time in many of our basic institutions, e.g. universities, media outlets, Congressional hearings, local school board meetings, etc etc etc etc. Frankly, the topic is all over the place and is a contributing element of division. Oh it's come up in Canada as well. And discussion is a good thing. It shouldn't be swept under the rug like homosexuality was pre 1960s. The more discussion and ultimate understanding, the better. That's where all this discussion in here started from, that science is trying to find a way to figure it out. On the flip side, the they/them crowd should realize that there will be a strong reactionary group to their "agenda" if you want to call it that. There's a group that will support them, and there'll be a group who is indifferent. The reactionary group is the one I don't understand is all, and it feels like they are the driver of the division. It has the appearance of the same group that considered homosexuality a mental disease, and are still against gay marriage.
June 28, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said: Oh it's come up in Canada as well. And discussion is a good thing. It shouldn't be swept under the rug like homosexuality was pre 1960s. The more discussion and ultimate understanding, the better. That's where all this discussion in here started from, that science is trying to find a way to figure it out. On the flip side, the they/them crowd should realize that there will be a strong reactionary group to their "agenda" if you want to call it that. There's a group that will support them, and there'll be a group who is indifferent. The reactionary group is the one I don't understand is all, and it feels like they are the driver of the division. It has the appearance of the same group that considered homosexuality a mental disease, and are still against gay marriage. I hear what you are saying but you can't just take a super common term that is pretty essential in holding society structure together, trash its long term meaning, claim it for some other use, and then not be able to give it a new definition. That is just plain disruptive.
June 28, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: I hear what you are saying but you can't just take a super common term that is pretty essential in holding society structure together, trash its long term meaning, claim it for some other use, and then not be able to give it a new definition. That is just plain disruptive. Sometimes disruption is a good thing, see the civil rights movement. But anyway, I think we've drained the lizard on this topic, so to speak.
June 28, 20223 yr Just now, TorontoEagle said: Sometimes disruption is a good thing, see the civil rights movement. But anyway, I think we've drained the lizard on this topic, so to speak. Sure we have. Activists have a job to do and it has been done. Now they need to move out of the way so we can find some real solutions. That's my take.
June 28, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said: Why do you care? What I mean by that is, I don't care if somebody with body dysmorphia cuts off their arms and legs. It doesn't affect my life. I hope they can find some peace or a way to deal with their issues without resorting to that extreme, but if they do it, it's a decision they have to live with. Same with trannies chopping off their schweens. Who cares? If that's what they want to do, it doesn't affect me in any tangible way. If a bi-polar person is in a super depressed state, and ultimately kills themselves (without harming anybody else, like jumping off a building is kind of a richard move); it's sad, it's unfortunate that another human was in such rough shape that was their way out.....but it doesn't affect me. Now, if it's a relative or loved one going through it, of course that's going to affect me, but why people get so worked up about strangers and what they do to themselves is beyond me. Do we care about people who cover their bodies in tattoos? Why not? It's a social contagion, in case you hadn't noticed. A deeply unhealthy one by every statistical metric.
June 28, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said: I honestly don't know enough to say why some people feel they are a "man" or a "woman". But they're out there, trying to figure it out as well. For me it's simple enough, I have a P, and see myself as a man. Other people have more complicated stories. If by story you mean mental illness
June 28, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said: Why do you care? What I mean by that is, I don't care if somebody with body dysmorphia cuts off their arms and legs. It doesn't affect my life. I hope they can find some peace or a way to deal with their issues without resorting to that extreme, but if they do it, it's a decision they have to live with. Same with trannies chopping off their schweens. Who cares? If that's what they want to do, it doesn't affect me in any tangible way. If a bi-polar person is in a super depressed state, and ultimately kills themselves (without harming anybody else, like jumping off a building is kind of a richard move); it's sad, it's unfortunate that another human was in such rough shape that was their way out.....but it doesn't affect me. Now, if it's a relative or loved one going through it, of course that's going to affect me, but why people get so worked up about strangers and what they do to themselves is beyond me. Do we care about people who cover their bodies in tattoos? Why not? So I/ we all, should be like you, and just not care about the health and mental health of others? According to you, Who cares if they just kill themselves, it's just one less mentally disturbed individual we have to deal with?. According to you, Who cares if we might actually be able to help them? According to you, Why bother? OK, duly noted, you truly dont care about other people, especially people you dont know.
June 28, 20223 yr 22 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Yes it does go up, but the data also says we are the most incarcerated nation in the world. More than all those shite holes we call oppressed. The problem comes with how we create life long criminals, first by incarcerating them at a young age and then roadblocking the reintegration into society. But these things are hard to turn around, and we already have hundreds of thousands hopelessly lost to the churn. So politicians side with the ruling class and never have the backbone to fix it. So what if we are the most incarcerated? Perhaps thats why we are better
June 28, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: So I/ we all, should be like you, and just not care about the health and mental health of others? According to you, Who cares if they just kill themselves, it's just one less mentally disturbed individual we have to deal with?. According to you, Who cares if we might actually be able to help them? According to you, Why bother? OK, duly noted, you truly dont care about other people, especially people you dont know. Look at the posts over the last two pages, including the one you just liked from kz. You really want me to believe you have interest in helping anybody with mental illness? BS. The gender identity thing is just some weird hang-up, likely coming from religious beliefs, IMO. That being said, I won't paint with a broad brush here, there's certainly some people with sexual hang ups out there who aren't religious at all.
June 28, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said: Yes it does go up, but the data also says we are the most incarcerated nation in the world. More than all those shite holes we call oppressed. The problem comes with how we create life long criminals, first by incarcerating them at a young age and then roadblocking the reintegration into society. But these things are hard to turn around, and we already have hundreds of thousands hopelessly lost to the churn. So politicians side with the ruling class and never have the backbone to fix it. Yeah, because those sheet holes don’t have a functioning police force and legal system. Hence why they are sheet holes. We don’t create lifelong criminals. Some folks just aren’t good people. People make choices and not everyone makes good choices. Some people make bad choices. Some people make anti-social choices. Unless you reject free will, then this is ultimately down to the individual. It’s not like these people don’t know that murder, rape and robbery are wrong. They do. They just don’t care. If you don’t believe in free will, then we are on to determinism. Criminality has a heritability of 0.45 and environmental factors are only 0.18. And that’s not in the US with our supposed school to prison pipeline that sh**libs whine about, that’s in Sweden where going to prison is basically an extended spa vacation. Simply put, the narrative you espouse doesn’t hold up to the facts. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25936380/
June 28, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said: Why do you care? What I mean by that is, I don't care if somebody with body dysmorphia cuts off their arms and legs. It doesn't affect my life. I hope they can find some peace or a way to deal with their issues without resorting to that extreme, but if they do it, it's a decision they have to live with. Same with trannies chopping off their schweens. Who cares? If that's what they want to do, it doesn't affect me in any tangible way. If a bi-polar person is in a super depressed state, and ultimately kills themselves (without harming anybody else, like jumping off a building is kind of a richard move); it's sad, it's unfortunate that another human was in such rough shape that was their way out.....but it doesn't affect me. Now, if it's a relative or loved one going through it, of course that's going to affect me, but why people get so worked up about strangers and what they do to themselves is beyond me. Do we care about people who cover their bodies in tattoos? Why not? Except it does, in a variety of ways. Everything from healthcare costs to national policy are affecting the lives of every American because of a deranged, tiny minority of mentally ill people that one political ideology has decided to indulge. It never ends at live and let live. Instead, they demand that everyone use false pronouns to legitimize their delusion, they demand to have subsidized surgery to legitimize their delusion, they demand to be let into areas prohibited to their gender to legitimize their delusion, they demand that children be indoctrinated into believing their mentally ill state to legitimize their delusions, they demand that every corporation and government HR department indoctrinate their work force to legitimize their delusions, they demand retribution against anyone who speaks out against this insanity to legitimize their delusions, and on and on it goes until their own personal psychosis becomes mass delusion. So this isn’t a live and let live situation. Quite the opposite. This is a tiny minority of deranged individuals making a power play on the population at large to brainwash them into a rejection of reality. Almost literally the patients running the insane asylum. It needs to end, because they are quite literally grooming children into undertaking irreversible life choices that end in depression and suicide attempts.
June 28, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, TEW said: Yeah, because those sheet holes don’t have a functioning police force and legal system. Hence why they are sheet holes. https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/feb/16/us-murder-clearance-rates-among-lowest-world/ You and your facts TEW.
June 28, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/feb/16/us-murder-clearance-rates-among-lowest-world/ You and your facts TEW. Yeah, that’s the price you pay for having such a high standard for conviction coupled with relatively low corruption in the data. The fact is that a lot of criminals get put behind bars because of other crimes they get caught for; a burglar might get put in jail for assault, a murderer for drug trafficking, etc.
June 28, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, TEW said: Yeah, that’s the price you pay for having such a high standard for conviction coupled with relatively low corruption in the data. The fact is that a lot of criminals get put behind bars because of other crimes they get caught for; a burglar might get put in jail for assault, a murderer for drug trafficking, etc. uh huh. hey no worries, we got another million unwanted babies/yr coming down the pipe that'll right the statistics up just fine.
June 28, 20223 yr 45 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: uh huh. hey no worries, we got another million unwanted babies/yr coming down the pipe that'll right the statistics up just fine. By the numbers, the come from the $47K+ single woman demographic. Lots of unintended consequences could be positive: lower promiscuity rates, higher rates of family formation, a birth rate spike to offset demographic decline, etc.
June 28, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, TEW said: By the numbers, the come from the $47K+ single woman demographic. Lots of unintended consequences could be positive: lower promiscuity rates, higher rates of family formation, a birth rate spike to offset demographic decline, etc. I know I'm gonna regret asking but... elaborate please
June 28, 20223 yr 33 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: I know I'm gonna regret asking but... elaborate please The corporations have to replace minimum wage labor.......DUH.
June 28, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, DEagle7 said: I know I'm gonna regret asking but... elaborate please Birth rates are below replacement levels currently. An extra million babies would help that.
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