58 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

In your state, it's often from a relative.

Triggered by my post, the "Christian" comes sprinting to the defense of the pro-abortionists yet again. 

Were you at the Michigan Death to America rally the other day?  

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

As if that fetus just magically popped in there.  Oops, where'd that fetus come from???  Out you go fetus, I'm not a gestation machine! 

 

You know what we should force people to do as a society?  Be responsible for their own actions.

This is what Pro-Choice people want: to be responsible for their own actions. Not to give government all rights to that choice. You act like abortion doesn't have its own risks, when it certainly does. Treating a human life as if it is simply just a consequence of a couple's actions is sick and twisted.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

As if that fetus just magically popped in there.  Oops, where'd that fetus come from???  Out you go fetus, I'm not a gestation machine! 

 

You know what we should force people to do as a society?  Be responsible for their own actions.

Except when it's....ya know

The law should require men to get vasectomies before engaging in intercourse. See how they like that.

28 minutes ago, toolg said:

This is what Pro-Choice people want: to be responsible for their own actions. Not to give government all rights to that choice. You act like abortion doesn't have its own risks, when it certainly does. Treating a human life as if it is simply just a consequence of a couple's actions is sick and twisted.

This is totally backwards logic. If Pro Choicers truly wanted to be responsible, then they'd actually take responsibility for their actions and not go through a surgery and end a human life to avoid it.  

Treating a human life as if it's just a consequence is exactly what you're doing.  It devalues the worth of the life that was created and only views the issue from the perspective of the mother.  It removes any consideration for the individual human life that had no responsibility for its own creation. 

Its why Pro Choicers go to such lengths to deny that a fetus is a human life.  They want to make this only about the mother and not about the unborn human that the mother made.

52 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

The law should require men to get vasectomies before engaging in intercourse. See how they like that.

As usual js with the dumbest most irrelevant post of the day

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

This is totally backwards logic. If Pro Choicers truly wanted to be responsible, then they'd actually take responsibility for their actions and not go through a surgery and end a human life to avoid it.  

Treating a human life as if it's just a consequence is exactly what you're doing.  It devalues the worth of the life that was created and only views the issue from the perspective of the mother.  It removes any consideration for the individual human life that had no responsibility for its own creation. 

Its why Pro Choicers go to such lengths to deny that a fetus is a human life.  They want to make this only about the mother and not about the unborn human that the mother made.

Human life isn't created when sperm and egg unite... Sperm and egg are alive before fertilization. 

1 minute ago, toolg said:

Human life isn't created when sperm and egg unite... Sperm and egg are alive before fertilization. 

Wrong.

Sperm and egg do not have human DNA on their own.  Only upon fertilization is a human life created.

so if a fetus can't just magically pop in "there" ... this disproves the immaculate conception theory, right? 

 

so can we all just admit once and for all that god got up in mary's guts and bred her as joey cucked ? 

 

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

so if a fetus can't just magically pop in "there" ... this disproves the immaculate conception theory, right? 

 

so can we all just admit once and for all that god got up in mary's guts and bred her as joey cucked ? 

 

First off, thats not what the "immaculate conception" was, it refers to Mary not Jesus.  

Second, no.

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Wrong.

Sperm and egg do not have human DNA on their own.  Only upon fertilization is a human life created.

The beginning of human life is complex. LINK

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The question when a human life begins and how to define it could be answered only through the inner-connecting pathways of history, philosophy and medical science. It has not been easy to determine where to draw the fine line between the competence of science and metaphysics in this delicate philosophical field. To a large extent, the drawing of this line depends on one’s fundamental philosophical outlook.

Your view is so unwavering, is why we will never agree on the issue. 

Is Mike married?  What would he do if his wife was told she had a non viable fetus in her that could not make it full term?

Are you going to pray away and hope for an uncomplicated miscarriage?  Without medical intervention?

55 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

then they'd actually take responsibility for their actions

I know, how dare those kids let themselves get raped by their West Virginian family members! The only logical answer is to force little girls to carry to term so that next time they'll think twice before they allow that to happen again.

36 minutes ago, DiPros said:

Is Mike married?  What would he do if his wife was told she had a non viable fetus in her that could not make it full term?

Are you going to pray away and hope for an uncomplicated miscarriage?  Without medical intervention?

He'd force her to carry and deliver a non-viable fetus. This is what Christian fundamentalists do, they coerce their own wives into giving up autonomy because the Bible says so.

13 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I know, how dare those kids let themselves get raped by their West Virginian family members! The only logical answer is to force little girls to carry to term so that next time they'll think twice before they allow that to happen again.

Don't forget, 18 year olds are too young to vote but a 12 year old rape victim is old enough to be a mother...

1 hour ago, toolg said:

The beginning of human life is complex. LINK

Your view is so unwavering, is why we will never agree on the issue. 

The fact is the very first step when human DNA comes together is fertilization, at which point begins a process by which a human is created and will be born.  Not before that, and not after that.

We can play word salad and get philosophical all day long, but it's pretty clear to me based on the irrefutable scientific fact.  The attempts at muddying the waters are disingenuous and wastes of time. 

1 hour ago, DiPros said:

Is Mike married?  What would he do if his wife was told she had a non viable fetus in her that could not make it full term?

Are you going to pray away and hope for an uncomplicated miscarriage?  Without medical intervention?

My anecdotal experiences don't change the basis of the argument.

When it comes to non-viable fetuses, I'm OK with abortion at that point because it is a truly medical condition that requires intervention for the health of all involved.

But that is rare when it comes to the overall statistics on abortion. So I'm focusing on the overwhelming majority which is abortion by choice or convenience and not due to medical issues or rape 

34 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I know, how dare those kids let themselves get raped by their West Virginian family members! The only logical answer is to force little girls to carry to term so that next time they'll think twice before they allow that to happen again.

Unhinged again, as usual

31 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He'd force her to carry and deliver a non-viable fetus. This is what Christian fundamentalists do, they coerce their own wives into giving up autonomy because the Bible says so.

Wrong but thanks for being an unhinged lunatic and answering for me.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

As usual js with the dumbest most irrelevant post of the day

It may have been asked and answered some time ago but do you believe in birth control like the pill, shot, etc.?

 

Hypothetically if there was an FDA approved pill, shot, etc. for males to make them temporarily sterile and it's as safe as the female birth control would you approve of that?

12 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

My anecdotal experiences don't change the basis of the argument.

When it comes to non-viable fetuses, I'm OK with abortion at that point because it is a truly medical condition that requires intervention for the health of all involved.

But that is rare when it comes to the overall statistics on abortion. So I'm focusing on the overwhelming majority which is abortion by choice or convenience and not due to medical issues or rape 

Thank you.  This appears to be an honest answer.  You do understand though, these bans without exceptions that are passing would not allow your wife to do this.  The government has no right to even get involved.  I think we may agree it's overkill, and no doubt there are abortions performed out of convenience, but passing laws instead of offering education on birth control just isn't the answer.

11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Wrong but thanks for being an unhinged lunatic and answering for me.

Baby murderer!

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

It may have been asked and answered some time ago but do you believe in birth control like the pill, shot, etc.?

 

Hypothetically if there was an FDA approved pill, shot, etc. for males to make them temporarily sterile and it's as safe as the female birth control would you approve of that?

Yes, it clearly violates my religious beliefs as a Catholic but I'm not in favor of imposing those on all of society by law; and I've stated already that I actually got a vasectomy, so I'm certainly a sinner.

I just can't morally accept abortion for sheer convenience, which is almost all abortions.  

7 minutes ago, DiPros said:

Thank you.  This appears to be an honest answer.  You do understand though, these bans without exceptions that are passing would not allow your wife to do this.  The government has no right to even get involved.  I think we may agree it's overkill, and no doubt there are abortions performed out of convenience, but passing laws instead of offering education on birth control just isn't the answer.

I agree that a total abortion ban is not right. Women should not have to suffer severe medical complications or death for carrying a child.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Yes, it clearly violates my religious beliefs as a Catholic but I'm not in favor of imposing those on all of society by law; and I've stated already that I actually got a vasectomy, so I'm certainly a sinner.

I just can't morally accept abortion for sheer convenience, which is almost all abortions.  

A man without conviction is no man at all.