1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Then there's no need to add the qualifier of it being alive at the end, you moron. You'd only need to state "it's a parasite with human DNA". But saying "it's a parasite with human DNA that's also alive" implies parasites aren't usually living organisms. We already knew you weren't paying attention in 5th grade math class, but I guess we can add 5th grade english to the list too.

Now you're playing semantics.  More deflection.

It is human.

It is alive.

An embryo is a living human.  

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Now you're playing semantics.  More deflection.

It is human.

It is alive.

An embryo is a living human.  

Oh right, because the last 10 pages clearly hasn't been a worthless waste of time arguing semantics with an uneducated idiot from WV. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Until you reverse your vasectomy, I'm as much of a Catholic as you.  

Wrong.  All Catholics sin.

But you deny Catholic teachings. You're a heretic.  

You've substituted your own worldy doctrine for the timeless teachings of Jesus Christ.  Your religions convictions change with culture and society because you're a coward.

Just like this debate has you squirming because you don't want to reconcile your anti-Catholic opinions with reality.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Wrong.  All Catholics sin.

But you deny Catholic teachings. You're a heretic.  

You've substituted your own worldy doctrine for the timeless teachings of Jesus Christ.  Your religions convictions change with culture and society because you're a coward.

Just like this debate has you squirming because you don't want to reconcile your anti-Catholic opinions with reality.

You deny them every day you wake up without reversing your vasectomy. Live with that shame or repent!

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Oh right, because the last 10 pages clearly hasn't been a worthless waste of time arguing semantics with an uneducated idiot from WV. 

I'm citing sources and using the most basic logic.  You guys are using ad hominems and haven't provided any sources whatsoever.

And none of you can refute the basic tenets of my (the scientific majority's) position:

All of our lives began at conception.  Fact.

Human embryos have human DNA.  Fact.

Embryos are living humans. Fact.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

I'm citing sources

The American College of Pediatrics    

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

You deny them every day you live without reversing your vasectomy. Live with that shame or repent!

I did repent you moron.  Didn't I already tell you that?

Have you repented for denying God and almost all of his teachings?  Did you repent for creating your own doctrine and leading your children astray with your heresy?

 

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

The American College of Pediatrics    

And Princeton, and an NIH survey of over 1000 biologists, and virtually every embryologist...but you have some misinformed EMB posters and MSNBC 

41 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I did repent you moron.  Didn't I already tell you that?

Have you repented for denying God and almost all of his teachings?  Did you repent for creating your own doctrine and leading your children astray with your heresy?

 

Nah, you just pretended to. Just like you're pretending to be a Catholic every day you live without reversing your vasectomy. That burden of guilt would be overwhelming to an actual Catholic. But I guess a fake Catholic can pretend everything's fine and go on without making amends for his egregious sin.

The way things are going, Dems are going to win the House, Senate, and White House and Roe vs. Wade will be codified and become the law of the land once again. Nothing that the so called Pro Life crowd is going to be able to do about that. 

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

And Princeton, and an NIH survey of over 1000 biologists, and virtually every embryologist...but you have some misinformed EMB posters and MSNBC 

^Literally one the dumbest people I've ever conversed with  

Just now, jsdarkstar said:

The way things are going, Dems are going to win the House, Senate, and White House and Roe vs. Wade will be codified and become the law of the land once again. Nothing that the so called Pro Life crowd is going to be able to do about that. 

that's just wishful thinking.

Dems will be lucky to get 48 in the Senate.

they do have a good chance winning the house but it's probably 55-45 there.

their best bet is that polls continue to underestimate Democratic strength on election day. modern polling is really difficult.

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Nah, you just pretended to. Just like you're pretending to be a Catholic every day you live without reversing your vasectomy. That burden of guilt would be overwheliming to an actual Catholic. But I guess a fake Catholic can pretend everything's fine and go on without making amends for his egregious sin.

Triggered

It's simple, don't want an abortion, don't get one.  Your religion doesnt get to dictate what I do or don't do. 

Do you wear clothing with two materials? Cause that's for forbidden in the Bible.  

Leviticus 19:19 "Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.”

Do you have a beard? No? Not following scriptures 

Leviticus 19:27 "Neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.”

Oh, and immigrants?

Leviticus 19:33-19:34 "the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born”

LIke the Constitution, people ignore the parts they want to and screetch about the parts they feel fit their narrative.  

I'm not making a religious argument, that is just WGB being an unhinged triggered lunatic.

If you support abortion, go for it.  I obviously disagree. But don't deny that a human embryo is a human life.

Have the courage of conviction to acknowledge reality when you're forming your opinion.  Don't form your opinion based on convenient untruths.

I just feel the need to point out that Princeton blows. That is all.

2 hours ago, Tweek said:

It's simple, don't want an abortion, don't get one.  Your religion doesnt get to dictate what I do or don't do. 

Do you wear clothing with two materials? Cause that's for forbidden in the Bible.  

Leviticus 19:19 "Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.”

Do you have a beard? No? Not following scriptures 

Leviticus 19:27 "Neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.”

Oh, and immigrants?

Leviticus 19:33-19:34 "the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born”

LIke the Constitution, people ignore the parts they want to and screetch about the parts they feel fit their narrative.  

He also had his tubes tied FYI.

4 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

it wasn't the NIH stunad.

it was a paper studied by a pro-life PhD student who published in Issues in Law & Medicine, and was picked up by the NIH in its archive. 

if you want you can go ahead and "publish" a study too: https://issuesinlawandmedicine.com/author-submission-checklist/

being on NIH's pubmed archive does not mean that the NIH endorsed, published, or agreed with every study you smooth-brained nimrod.

a fertilized egg is "biological life" in the same way as sperm, an unfertilized egg, skin cells, and brain cells (look them up, maybe you can find a donor) are life. biologically it's alive. it does not mean it's a human, nor does it mean that legal rights are conferred on it.

that's enough for today, I'll not dignify any more motivated reasoning based ignorance with acknowledgement now that I've had my 2nd cup of coffee. 

sHUSHUREMOUF!!! mIKE DID HIS OWN RESEARCH.

5 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

So neither came first, the egg was the chicken all along.

 

20 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

What species is a sperm or ovum?

That'd make a lot of women and even men cannibals

 

 

Curious if anyone will get that 

31 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

That'd make a lot of women and even men cannibals

 

Curious if anyone will get that 

I dunno man, that's a very tricky premise. I'll have to mull it over for a fortnight before I could even begin to pick up what you're laying down here.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I dunno man, that's a very tricky premise. I'll have to mull it over for a fortnight before I could even begin to pick up what you're laying down here.

Let me have this one

11 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

The beginning of human life is fertilization. Human embryos are human lives.  Facts.

Opinion

11 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Lol a parasite with human DNA that is alive. This is not pseudoscience, this is biology and embryology.

Again I am citing overwhelming opinions of scientists not religion.

Is it alive or dead?  Alive

Is it human or not? Human.

It's a living human.  Deal with it.

Its a clump of cells. Then its a parasite completely dependent on its host. One you wouldnt be able to distinguish from many other species for months