April 23, 20241 yr On 4/22/2024 at 12:51 AM, lynched1 said: My body, my choice. Didn't seem that big a deal 3 years ago did it? Just because your parents treat pregnancy like a disease....
April 23, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Toastrel said: Just because your parents treat pregnancy like a disease.... Ooooo. Did I step on your hypocritical feelings? 🤣
April 24, 20241 yr https://apnews.com/live/supreme-court-abortion-idaho Quote What is EMTALA?: The federal law at the heart of this case, called the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act requires doctors to stabilize or treat any patient who shows up at an emergency room. What’s at stake?: Complaints of pregnant women being turned away from U.S. emergency rooms spiked after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, according to federal documents obtained by The Associated Press. When will there be a ruling?: The court is expected to issue a decision by the end of June, though the exact date is unclear.
April 24, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: https://apnews.com/live/supreme-court-abortion-idaho to give an idea here.. this was brought by Idaho, a state with pretty much the most extreme anti-abortion laws in the nation where doctors can be put in jail for performing abortions if they cannot prove the mother's life was at risk.. if a pregnant woman shows up at an ER in Idaho, and the woman is suffering from complications from the pregnancy that are not immediately life threatening but nonetheless post serious medical risks, a doctor would be jailed if they performed an abortion - even if that abortion is the correct medical treatment to ensure the health of the mother. the Biden administration is contending that under EMTALA, performing the abortion in this case falls under the "stabilizing treatment" requirement. the state argues it does not.
April 24, 20241 yr Separate to this, the Arizona state house just passed legislation to repeal their civil war era abortion ban. This required a few votes from republicans. In the senate, which has 30 seats, I believe 2 republican senators would be required to pass the legislation, which can be acted on may 1. The senate is also considering its own bill apparently, suggesting that there may be an appetite from republicans to do something there.
April 24, 20241 yr More regarding EMTALA: Quote The text of EMTALA makes clear that it trumps state law only when the state law "directly conflicts” with EMTALA, the government reasons. So although Idaho can enforce almost all of its law restricting abortion, the government asserts, the state "cannot prohibit the emergency care that federal law requires in the narrow circumstances covered by EMTALA.” Specifically, the government continues, Idaho’s law bars the termination of a pregnancy unless it is "necessary to prevent the death of a pregnant woman.” But, as the district court concluded, the government explains, EMTALA could require the termination of a pregnancy as stabilizing treatment to prevent serious harm to the woman’s health (but not her death) in several scenarios in which providing an abortion would be a felony under Idaho law – for example, the rupture of the amniotic sac or the placenta, an uncontrollable uterine hemorrhage, or preeclampsia. via https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/04/supreme-court-to-hear-emergency-abortion-dispute-out-of-idaho/
April 24, 20241 yr On 4/17/2024 at 2:39 PM, Mike31mt said: The definition of human life is a question of science. And a human deserves the right to life. Science absolutely does not say embryos are human life.
April 24, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Science absolutely does not say embryos are human life. Lolll what are they then? A tree? A plant? Is it not a life? Is that what you're trying to say?
April 24, 20241 yr Is this Biden just forgetting where he is, or is he really this insane and evil? What the hell is wrong with this guy
April 24, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: Lolll what are they then? A tree? A plant? Is it not a life? Is that what you're trying to say? A living organism in the nascent stages of developing into human life. You've been explained this a million times and 1,000,001 won't keep you from making shite up.
April 24, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: A living organism in the nascent stages of developing into human life. You've been explained this a million times and 1,000,001 won't keep you from making shite up. And what species is that living organism?
April 24, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: And what species is that living organism? What species is a sperm or ovum?
April 24, 20241 yr How much of a dumbarse do you have to be to deny that a human embryo is human? It's quite literally a stage of human life.
April 24, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: What species is a sperm or ovum? I've already answered that. They do not have full human DNA like an embryo. It is the sperm of a human, but sperm in and of itself is not a human life. It's sad the lengths you all will go to deny human life, all so you can feel better about your support for ending it in the womb for convenience. Shame on you as a Catholic, just like Biden above making the sign of the cross like a total psychopath.
April 24, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: How much of a dumbarse do you have to be to deny that a human embryo is human? It's quite literally a stage of human life. How much of a dumarse do you have to be to think IVF clinics are murdering millions of humans?
April 24, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: How much of a dumarse do you have to be to think IVF clinics are murdering millions of human? They are distinct human lives, just like you and I were at that stage in our developmen. Don't deny life to suit your politics
April 24, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: I've already answered that. They do not have full human DNA like an embryo. It is the sperm of a human, but sperm in and of itself is not a human life. It's sad the lengths you all will go to deny human life, all so you can feel better about your support for ending it in the womb for convenience. An embryo is the embryo of a human but is not in and of itself a human life. It's sad the lenghths you will go to deny the rights of couples trying to conceive so you can feel better about your support for an autocratic form of governement that's a stone's throw away from the handmaid's tale. Quote Shame on you as a Catholic, just like Biden above making the sign of the cross like a total psychopath. Says the deviant who has committed the egregious and unholy sin of getting a vasectomy. Good luck explainin that to St Pete at the pearly gates, you unrepentant sinner.
April 24, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: They are distinct human lives, just like you and I were at that stage in our developmen. Don't deny life to suit your politics "IVF clinics are quite literally freezing humans, then thawing humans, then throwing humans away by the millions and nobody seems to care except for psychos like me! They can't keep getting away with it!"
April 24, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: How much of a dumbarse do you have to be to deny that a human embryo is human? It's quite literally a stage of human life. A stage towards human life. 1,000,002.
April 24, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: A stage towards human life. 1,000,002. Not "toward," it is literally the first stage of human life. Stop embarrassing yourself. It is a human, and it is alive. Human life. https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html Link "The facts above, along with the constancy of the time of gestation, approximately 38 weeks, reasonably declare that the life of the new individual human being begins with fertilization. Virtually every human embryologist and every major textbook of human embryology states that fertilization marks the beginning of the life of the new individual human being." https://acpeds.org/position-statements/when-human-life-begins "The American College of Pediatricians concurs with the body of scientific evidence that corroborates that a unique human life starts when the sperm and egg bind to each other in a process of fusion of their respective membranes and a single hybrid cell called a zygote, or one-cell embryo, is created." Take the L
April 24, 20241 yr 29 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: "IVF clinics are quite literally freezing humans, then thawing humans, then throwing humans away by the millions and nobody seems to care except for psychos like me! They can't keep getting away with it!" Take the L, "Christian"
April 24, 20241 yr 30 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: An embryo is the embryo of a human but is not in and of itself a human life. It's sad the lenghths you will go to deny the rights of couples trying to conceive so you can feel better about your support for an autocratic form of governement that's a stone's throw away from the handmaid's tale. Says the deviant who has committed the egregious and unholy sin of getting a vasectomy. Good luck explainin that to St Pete at the pearly gates, you unrepentant sinner. It is quite literally a human life by scientific definition and you are embarrassingly wrong
April 24, 20241 yr But no the psychopaths dawk4prez and WGB on the Eagles Message board know more than Princeton, every embryologist, and the American College of Pediatricians. Some random MSNBC tv special says so
April 24, 20241 yr https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36629778/ Peer-reviewed journals in the biological and life sciences literature have published articles that represent the biological view that a human's life begins at fertilization ("the fertilization view"). As those statements are typically offered without explanation or citation, the fertilization view seems to be uncontested by the editors, reviewers, and authors who contribute to scientific journals. However, Americans are split on whether the fertilization view is a "philosophical or religious belief" (45%) or a "biological and scientific fact" (46%), and only 38% of Americans view fertilization as the starting point of a human's life. In the two studies that explored experts' views on the matter, the fertilization view was the most popular perspective held by public health and IVF professionals. Since a recent study suggested that 80% of Americans view biologists as the group most qualified to determine when a human's life begins, experts in biology were surveyed to provide a new perspective to the literature on experts' views on this matter. Biologists from 1,058 academic institutions around the world assessed survey items on when a human's life begins and, overall, 96% (5337 out of 5577) affirmed the fertilization view. The founding principles of the field Science Communication suggest that scientists have an ethical and professional obligation to inform Americans, as well as people around the world, about scientific developments so members of the public can be empowered to make life decisions that are consistent with the best information available. Given that perspective-and a recent study's finding that a majority of Americans believe they deserve to know when a human's life begins in order to make informed reproductive decisions-science communicators should work to increase the level of science awareness on the fertilization view, as it stands alone as the leading biological perspective on when a human's life begins.
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