May 4, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: I see @dawkins4prez finally arrived today with his, as always, super edgy takes Not being religious and citing the bestseller Freakonomics doesn't make me edgy. Supporting Roe v Wade, our federal law for the bast 50 years, is not f'ing edgy you shiteposting f'****.
May 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Pro-life radicals who want sexual assault victims to bear their rapists' babies It is, but even by using their own religious texts, this definition does not hold up Less than 1% of abortions are for health. The vast majority are for convenience and most are minorities Why do you like to terminate minority lives? Are you a white supremacist like Margeret Sanger?
May 4, 20223 yr My personal belief is what we would consider human life begins with consciousness. Most things I have read says that probably occurs at 24 to 28 weeks. I dont have very strong opinions on abortion either way.
May 4, 20223 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Less than 1% of abortions are for health. The vast majority are for convenience and most are minorities Why do you like to terminate minority lives? Are you a white supremacist like Margeret Sanger? Just curious, what's your opinion on public assistance?
May 4, 20223 yr Author 4 minutes ago, NOTW said: Who actually says at conception it's a fully formed baby or the exact same thing as a fully formed, viable fetus at 6-9 months? I've never heard any pro life argument suggest that. Lolwut? The whole pro-life argument is built on the notion that there is no difference between a fertilized egg and a living, breathing human. There are Tweets in this very thread using the words "killing babies" to describe any and every abortion.
May 4, 20223 yr Just now, dawkins4prez said: Not being religious and citing the bestseller Freakonomics doesn't make me edgy. Supporting Roe v Wade, our federal law for the bast 50 years, is not f'ing edgy you shiteposting f'****. Ah freakonomics, there it is Liberals will literally stretch any logic to allow them to justify terminating "unwanted" minority babies Science says human life begins at conception. From that point forward a process has begun that will inevitably create you and me. Stopping that process is ending a life. 1 minute ago, Saltpeter said: Just curious, what's your opinion on public assistance? Public assistance for what? What does that have to do with abortion at all??
May 4, 20223 yr Author 2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Less than 1% of abortions are for health. The vast majority are for convenience and most are minorities Source?
May 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: Oh like Dems leaking this draft just before theyre about to get their arses handed to them in November? Weird, almost like theyre trying a hail mary because they dont like the democratic process Wrong. The final ruling is going to be made in June regardless. The leak will have no more of an impact on the midterms than the ruling. There's a far greater likelihood that a right winger released the draft in order to keep the votes in line and soften the blow of the ruling.
May 4, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Pro-life radicals who want sexual assault victims to bear their rapists' babies It is, but even by using their own religious texts, this definition does not hold up The usual verse used is Psalm 139:13: "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb."
May 4, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Not being religious and citing the bestseller Freakonomics doesn't make me edgy. Supporting Roe v Wade, our federal law for the bast 50 years, is not f'ing edgy you shiteposting f'****. So you're serious then? Serious as a dead fetus, right?
May 4, 20223 yr On 5/2/2022 at 8:14 PM, vikas83 said: Putting aside one’s stance on the issue, we should all agree that it is egregious and dangerous that this was leaked. Draft opinions should remain private and debated among the justices. Not every case ends up in-line with the initial vote. This being public undermines the process. Which was the very intention.
May 4, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Boogyman said: My personal belief is what we would consider human life begins with consciousness. Most things I have read says that probably occurs at 24 to 28 weeks. I dont have very strong opinions on abortion either way. I did research on this a while ago and I came up with 21 weeks or so
May 4, 20223 yr Author 5 minutes ago, NOTW said: The usual verse used is Psalm 139:13: "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb." Yeah, "Knew you in the womb" or some variation often comes up, but that is vague enough for some interpretive grey area. Genesis 2:7 is a little more clear: "Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."
May 4, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Public assistance for what? What does that have to do with abortion at all?? What do food stamps and welfare have to do with women having children they can't financially support?
May 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Yeah, "Knew you in the womb" or some variation often comes up, but that is vague enough for some interpretive grey area. Genesis 2:7 is a little more clear: "Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." On 5/3/2022 at 10:41 AM, mr_hunt said: enjoy!
May 4, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Lolwut? The whole pro-life argument is built on the notion that there is no difference between a fertilized egg and a living, breathing human. There are Tweets in this very thread using the words "killing babies" to describe any and every abortion. They don't say there's "no difference." Saying "killing babies" doesn't mean they think it's a fully formed baby at conception. Pro life material will talk about the stages of development and the weeks at which a fetus develops certain features like a heartbeat. The pro life stance is simply that at conception it is a life that should not be killed. People that want their babies don't call it a clump of cells when they're expecting. They nest, pick out a name, start buying clothes, get excited about the child inside them, feel the baby kick and move, the joy at hearing the heartbeat for the first time, getting the sonogram photo, etc. When the mother doesn't want the baby, it's conveniently just a clump of cells that can be terminated.
May 4, 20223 yr Just now, DaEagles4Life said: I did research on this a while ago and I came up with 21 weeks or so Yeah it's still a bit of an unknown as far as I have seen.
May 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Source? Just google it, the statistics are everywhere and readily available if you cars to analyze thia beyond Planned Parenthood talking points which are nothing but false appeals to emotion https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives Of course every study varies but in general less than 1% is due to rape/incest and I think 5% for health reasons (legit health reasons as diagnosed by a doctor and not "I dont want morning sickness) I had these categories backwards, but the fact is the vast, vast majority of abortions are for convenience, period.
May 4, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Pro-life radicals who want sexual assault victims to bear their rapists' babies Me thinks you are conflating "exactly the same thing” with "deserve the same legal protection”.
May 4, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Lolwut? The whole pro-life argument is built on the notion that there is no difference between a fertilized egg and a living, breathing human. There are Tweets in this very thread using the words "killing babies" to describe any and every abortion. Theyre both human lives, which is a scientific fact
May 4, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Ah freakonomics, there it is Liberals will literally stretch any logic to allow them to justify terminating "unwanted" minority babies Um, yes? Yes, having too many babies keeps the women out of the workforce, keeping the women out of the workforce is detrimental to the economic health of a community or country. It's the 21st century and approaching the end of the first phase of the information age. Healthy families need to be able to control the amount and timeliness of having children, quality over quantity.
May 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Yeah, "Knew you in the womb" or some variation often comes up, but that is vague enough for some interpretive grey area. Genesis 2:7 is a little more clear: "Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." In that verse, He's creating a full grown man for the first time from clay of the earth and breathing His own breath into Adam. This is not a baby in the womb taking it's first breath outside the womb.
May 4, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Boogyman said: WV public education. Yeah and where's your source, Mr Consciousness? You only deserve life if youre conscious, huh? Is that your final answer? Literally every liberal pro-abortion argument is a logical fallacy or outright embarrassment of failed logic
May 4, 20223 yr Author 5 minutes ago, NOTW said: They don't say there's "no difference." Saying "killing babies" doesn't mean they think it's a fully formed baby at conception. Pro life material will talk about the stages of development and the weeks at which a fetus develops certain features like a heartbeat. The pro life stance is simply that at conception it is a life that should not be killed. People that want their babies don't call it a clump of cells when they're expecting. They nest, pick out a name, start buying clothes, get excited about the child inside them, feel the baby kick and move, the joy at hearing the heartbeat for the first time, getting the sonogram photo, etc. When the mother doesn't want the baby, it's conveniently just a clump of cells that can be terminated. I've long said before that I thought Roe created a reasonable middle ground by restricting abortion after 12 weeks. I don't think that someone should be able to abort a fully formed fetus on a whim. Opinions will vary on when exactly fetal life becomes something akin to a living, breathing human. We will never all agree on this, but abortion is at the very least a necessary evil that needs to be available for women who cannot handle the burden of a pregnancy and childrearing for a variety of reasons. The health of the nation depends on it. Either way, we really shouldn't be using religion to inform the law.
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