1 minute ago, TEW said:

No, I didn’t, liar.

I said that their voting influence has been a disaster. Which, of course, is objectively true when you look at how the entitlement system got put into law.

My position on voting has been consistent: I believe that voting eligibility should be restricted to net tax payers.

Don't care if you’re male or female, black or white, just be a maker not a taker.

 

Dude, this is your words.

Nah. Their voting rights should be restricted to fabric softener brands and bread types for sammich making.

Just now, downundermike said:

 

Dude, this is your words.

 

 

Dude, are you autistic? It’s a joke. 

Just now, TEW said:

Dude, are you autistic? It’s a joke. 

You could go with that, if you had not posted previously about the subject.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

You could go with that, if you had not posted previously about the subject.

I’ve been very consistent when speaking seriously on the subject: net tax payer. That’s what I care about. I want the incentive structure aligned properly.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

I’ve been very consistent when speaking seriously on the subject: net tax payer. That’s what I care about. I want the incentive structure aligned properly.

Full of ish as always. Just because you were too hammered to remember saying it, doesn't mean you never said it. You've been exposed on this so many times, it's hilarious that you still think anyone takes you seriously anymore.

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Full of ish as always. Just because you were too hammered to remember saying it, doesn't mean you never said it. You've been exposed on this so many times, it's hilarious that you still think anyone takes you seriously anymore.

Napoleon leading the charge to expose non-leftists in CVON, colorized.

 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

Dude, are you autistic? It’s a joke. 

 

If it was a joke (which it kinda seemed to me at first), then fine, but you didn't really back off of it when given the chance to clarify. If anything, the response you made to me seemed to be tacitly doubling down on it just a few pages later:
 

On 5/11/2022 at 9:06 AM, EaglesRocker97 said:

The "libertarian" who thinks the 19th Amendment should be repealed is calling people scumbags 

 

On 5/11/2022 at 11:25 AM, TEW said:

The idea that democracy is synonymous with libertarianism is profoundly stupid.

 

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Napoleon leading the charge to expose non-leftists in CVON, colorized.

 

You do have some sort of Napoleon complex that's for sure.

Just now, Eaglesfandan said:

You do have some sort of Napoleon complex that's for sure.

You do.

50 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

If it was a joke (which it kinda seemed to me at first), then fine, but you didn't really back off of it when given the chance to clarify. If anything, the response you made to me seemed to be tacitly doubling down on it just a few pages later:

Libertarianism is not synonymous with democracy. I stand by that, and anyone who disagrees doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Plenty of libertarian thought leaders are explicitly against democracy.

I personally do not believe in universal suffrage. As I’ve stated numerous times over many years on here, I believe voting privileges should be contingent on being a net tax payer, with the possible exception of active duty military service.

Why? Because I believe in incentive structures. If you are getting more than you contribute to the government, your incentive is to vote for more things for yourself, enriching yourself at someone else’s expense against their will. Which is exactly what has happened over the last ~100 years. If you pay in more than you receive, your incentive is to make sure that the money is well spent. Simple.

Now, why the exception of active duty military? Because though they will receive more money from the government than they contribute, they are putting their lives on the line for the country, and so their "liability” to the government (potentially sacrificing their life) is significant enough to warrant voting privileges.  You could even "value” their life in monetary terms if you want to get into the weeds, but I think we all get the logic on this.

So yes, in short, I’ll triple down on democracy not being synonymous with libertarianism. I’ll triple down on being against universal suffrage. And I’ll triple down on having net tax payer as a requirement to vote. 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

Libertarianism is not synonymous with democracy. I stand by that, and anyone who disagrees doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Plenty of libertarian thought leaders are explicitly against democracy.

I personally do not believe in universal suffrage. As I’ve stated numerous times over many years on here, I believe voting privileges should be contingent on being a net tax payer, with the possible exception of active duty military service.

Why? Because I believe in incentive structures. If you are getting more than you contribute to the government, your incentive is to vote for more things for yourself, enriching yourself at someone else’s expense against their will. Which is exactly what has happened over the last ~100 years. If you pay in more than you receive, your incentive is to make sure that the money is well spent. Simple.

Now, why the exception of active duty military? Because though they will receive more money from the government than they contribute, they are putting their lives on the line for the country, and so their "liability” to the government (potentially sacrificing their life) is significant enough to warrant voting privileges.  You could even "value” their life in monetary terms if you want to get into the weeds, but I think we all get the logic on this.

So yes, in short, I’ll triple down on democracy not being synonymous with libertarianism. I’ll triple down on being against universal suffrage. And I’ll triple down on having net tax payer as a requirement to vote. 

 

This is a better take than what you posted previously, and I can understand your logic even if I disagree with your conclusions. But to just stick to the original topic on this exchange, democracy and libertarianism are separate concepts, even if one generally falls in line with the other. There's nothing factually inaccurate about saying they're not synonymous, but the way that the commentary played out between us there made it seem as if you were saying that to justify why the 19th Amendment should be repealed. Regardless, there are very real conflicts between libertarianism and the pro-life movement, and denial of suffrage in this case makes them even more apparent: If you have a class of citizens being denied suffrage while others are free to make laws that necessarily target that class and limit their ability to make choices about what medical procedures they can undergo, that seems pretty directly counter to libertarian logic.

25 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

This is a better take than what you posted previously, and I can understand your logic even if I disagree with your conclusions. But to just stick to the original topic on this exchange, democracy and libertarianism are separate concepts, even if one generally falls in line with the other. There's nothing factually inaccurate about saying they're not synonymous, but the way that the commentary played out between us there made it seem as if you were saying that to justify why the 19th Amendment should be repealed. Regardless, there are very real conflicts between libertarianism and the pro-life movement, and denial of suffrage in this case makes them even more apparent: If you have a class of citizens being denied suffrage while others are free to make laws that necessarily target that class and limit their ability to make choices about what medical procedures they can undergo, that seems pretty directly counter to libertarian logic.

Disagree with the bold. If anything I’d say they are fundamentally opposed. The concept that 2 people can vote for a third person to have their money taken away, actions restricted, etc. is antithetical to libertarianism.

Abortion is a very hotly debated topic in libertarian circles. Neither side has a claim on the position within the ideology like, for instance, free marketers have a claim. A pro life libertarian would say that you voting to make murder a right is antithetical to libertarianism. And they’d be right, logically, if you start with the principle that life begins at conception.

That’s why I mentioned Walter Block’s solution of designating life to begin where modern medicine can preserve the life of the child. Over time this will go down to conception, but in the mean while we get a compromise of sorts.

Armed California man arrested by Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh's Maryland home

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-justice-kavanaugh-home-armed-man-arrested

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An armed man was arrested near the Maryland home of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh Wednesday morning, law enforcement sources confirmed to Fox News.

The suspect was carrying a gun and a knife when arrested and had made violent threats against Kavanaugh, sources said.

The man’s name is being withheld at this time, but sources say he is in his 20s and from California and was picked up on a nearby street. He did not get to the Kavanaugh home.

A 20 year old liberal from CA with a gun?

How not shocking.

Haven't been in here since page 10. Have they found the leak?

16 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Armed California man arrested by Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh's Maryland home

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-justice-kavanaugh-home-armed-man-arrested

A 20 year old liberal trying to assassinate republicans with a gun?

How not shocking.

FYP

Meanwhile, violent Antifa ishlibs are also fire-bombing and attacking pro-life pregnancy centers:

 

2 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Meanwhile, violent Antifa ishlibs are also fire-bombing and attacking pro-life pregnancy centers:

 

@Toastrel began to touch upon this

 

54 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Meanwhile, violent Antifa ishlibs are also fire-bombing and attacking pro-life pregnancy centers:

 

Statement from Governor Hogan

 

 

Many, if not most of the comments are, at best, sympathetic to the planned assassination of Kavanaugh. I wonder if the feds are watching these people too?

 

 

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Meanwhile, violent Antifa ishlibs are also fire-bombing and attacking pro-life pregnancy centers:

 

Clearly Trump supporters dressed up as liberals and ANTIFA. 

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

Clearly Trump supporters dressed up as liberals and ANTIFA. 

With FBI support of course

4 hours ago, The_Omega said:

 

Chuckyou Schumer dials up an assassin to free up a spot on the Supreme Court

Like I said, this may very well be a major flashpoint on the road to civil war.

20 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Like I said, this may very well be a major flashpoint on the road to civil war.

Read a very interesting article on the subject just yesterday.