Just now, jsdarkstar said:

Well there's always Chuck Clark. 

Meh, I don't think he fits anything they want to do

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I would have rather gotten Bates than Bradberry. It would have made the team better.

When you are playing 2 high, and you are build to stop the run with the front 4, and drastically improve the coverage ability and range of your LBs, you really decrease the responsibility of the safety. I feel somewhat confident a nobody like Epps can do ok back there in this defense. As such, CB was much more important. CB is always more important.

Not to say I wouldnt still like them to go make a play for a playmaker like Bates now. But the tandem of Slay and Bradberry is going to be awesome. Thats better than what 1 safety could have done in this defense.

But hey, lets go get both!

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Meh, I don't think he fits anything they want to do

Yeah, you may be right. I think he would cost us less than Bates. Bates wants a new Contract. Not sure we have the cap space for Bates. 

Ravens have been in trade talks regarding safety Chuck Clark

https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2022/5/12/23069004/ravens-have-been-in-trade-talks-regarding-safety-chuck-clark-nfl-2022-offseason-rumors-news

2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Yeah, you may be right. I think he would cost us less than Bates. Bates wants a new Contract. Not sure we have the cap space for Bates. 

Ravens have been in trade talks regarding safety Chuck Clark

https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2022/5/12/23069004/ravens-have-been-in-trade-talks-regarding-safety-chuck-clark-nfl-2022-offseason-rumors-news

Yup as soon as they drafted Hamilton Chuck became expendable.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Birds with friends talked about this on their latest pod. The eagles face like 4-5 above average to great QBs this year and a lot of around mediocre to bad QBs. listing from best to worse

rodgers 

dak (x2)

cousins 

murray 

(next 4 i think people can have multiple different orders  i put it this way but i can see it in multiple different ways)

tannehill

Ryan 

wentz (x2) 

winston 

goff

lawrence

trubisky

jones (x2) 

fields 

Mills 

 

I think too many people are sleeping on the Vikings, Steelers and Saints on the schedule. Everyone on the pods pick them as wins, but I think they are going to be tough matchups. 

Vikings - new offensive head coach, only 1 week of tape to study in one week. Cousins stinks in clutch games but always tears up the Eagles. Jefferson, Thielen, Osborn, Smith and Cook are a pretty good set of skill players. Defense is ? but they have some nice names on the team.

Steelers - its Trubisky/Pickett but still an upgrade over 2021 Roethlisberger, which took them to the playoffs. Tomlin is a good coach who never had a losing season. Still a strong defense. Still pretty good offensive skill players.

Saints -  more of a toss up because of Dennis Allen but they are apparently going all in. Finally have a good set of skill players. Still have a good defense. Going to depend on whose healthy and if Kamara gets any type of suspension. 

 

Would rather give Epps a shot than Clark. He’s not very good. The Ravens invested heavily in two safeties this off-season for a reason. 
 

Also, out of curiosity, I was checking out what Bengals fans thought on Bates and I was surprised that they’re not as high on him as Eagles fans are. They say he’s very hot and cold. When he’s playing well he looks great, one of the better safeties in the NFL. But he disappears for games at a time and doesn’t impact games during those stretches and his great playoff run has caused recency bias to make people think he’s worth being one of the highest paid safeties in the league when he isn’t worth that kind of money.

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

JJAW is a SS.  You'll see.  

No you idiot. He's a FS. He has the speed to roam around the field sideline to sideline, and tenacity and toughness to keep the top on the defense. 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think too many people are sleeping on the Vikings, Steelers and Saints on the schedule. Everyone on the pods pick them as wins, but I think they are going to be tough matchups. 

Vikings - new offensive head coach, only 1 week of tape to study in one week. Cousins stinks in clutch games but always tears up the Eagles. Jefferson, Thielen, Osborn, Smith and Cook are a pretty good set of skill players. Defense is ? but they have some nice names on the team. 

Steelers - its Trubisky/Pickett but still an upgrade over 2021 Roethlisberger, which took them to the playoffs. Tomlin is a good coach who never had a losing season. Still a strong defense. Still pretty good offensive skill players.

Saints -  more of a toss up because of Dennis Allen but they are apparently going all in. Finally have a good set of skill players. Still have a good defense. Going to depend on whose healthy and if Kamara gets any type of suspension. 

Vikings - And even though he says it is not a big deal, you know a little part of Justin Jefferson wants to put the nail in the coffin of the Jefferson / Reagor debate

Steelers - Yep, they are still a playoff team, and Hurts has yet to beat one with an actual QB under center

Saints - Winston played well before the injury, and had garbage at WR.  Now he will have Thomas, Landry and Olave.

Will also add WFT to the list - you know it would be a very Eagles thing to do to let Wentz march up and down the field on them and win that game in Washington, and if the Eagles are fighting for a playoff spot, who better to lose to that you shouldn't lose to than Carson Wentz on Monday night in Philly.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Did you look at Vincent?  

Vincent doesn't have public cone and SS scores available, but he only did 8 reps. Straight line fast (4.39), but slow 10 yard split (1.59). His jumps were meh.

At 5'10 177 (though probably more like 190 now, but how did that impact his straight line speed) he's role would be ball hawk FS.

But athletic tests just give a very general feel, Eagles haven't had a full off season with any of the younger guys, this year they can coach them up in mini-camps and evaluate them in TC. And safeties often take longer to develop than CBs (teaching them how to read an offense).

Realistically, if 1-2 become solid starters,. and another 2 reliable backups, given all we spent were (2) 4ths (McPhearson, Wallace), (2) 6ths (Scott, Vincent), Ertz (Gowan), and some guaranteed money that only matters if they're cut as rookies, anything we get is a positive.

42 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Yeah, you may be right. I think he would cost us less than Bates. Bates wants a new Contract. Not sure we have the cap space for Bates. 

Ravens have been in trade talks regarding safety Chuck Clark

https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2022/5/12/23069004/ravens-have-been-in-trade-talks-regarding-safety-chuck-clark-nfl-2022-offseason-rumors-news

Is he any good?

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Vincent doesn't have public cone and SS scores available, but he only did 8 reps. Straight line fast (4.39), but slow 10 yard split (1.59). His jumps were meh.

At 5'10 177 (though probably more like 190 now, but how did that impact his straight line speed) he's role would be ball hawk FS.

But athletic tests just give a very general feel, Eagles haven't had a full off season with any of the younger guys, this year they can coach them up in mini-camps and evaluate them in TC. And safeties often take longer to develop than CBs (teaching them how to read an offense).

Realistically, if 1-2 become solid starters,. and another 2 reliable backups, given all we spent were (2) 4ths (McPhearson, Wallace), (2) 6ths (Scott, Vincent), Ertz (Gowan), and some guaranteed money that only matters if they're cut as rookies, anything we get is a positive.

Did you look at Vincent?  I meant his play in college. I thought he had more potential than Wallace. Both played a combination of nickel and S.  The difference is Vincent excelled high more than Wallace. Vincent, like Scott, can play outside.  Seemed pretty quick to me.  Good instincts too.  

47 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Would rather give Epps a shot than Clark. He’s not very good. The Ravens invested heavily in two safeties this off-season for a reason. 

They wanted a second safety and then Hamilton fell. Clark is no super star but he is not bad. And I want to see Epps too. Harris should be the backup.

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Also, out of curiosity, I was checking out what Bengals fans thought on Bates and I was surprised that they’re not as high on him as Eagles fans are. They say he’s very hot and cold. When he’s playing well he looks great, one of the better safeties in the NFL. But he disappears for games at a time and doesn’t impact games during those stretches and his great playoff run has caused recency bias to make people think he’s worth being one of the highest paid safeties in the league when he isn’t worth that kind of money.

All relative. Compared to the best, maybe. But he‘d be a huge upgrade for us. And we got a good defense, he should look more consistent here. Is ge worth it over less expensive upgrades? Depends on how close you think we are right now. I‘d say yes, let‘s give it our best shot this year.

 

 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Birds with friends talked about this on their latest pod. The eagles face like 4-5 above average to great QBs this year and a lot of around mediocre to bad QBs. listing from best to worse

rodgers 

dak (x2)

cousins 

murray 

(next 4 i think people can have multiple different orders  i put it this way but i can see it in multiple different ways)

tannehill

Ryan 

wentz (x2) 

winston 

goff

lawrence

trubisky

jones (x2) 

fields 

Mills 

 

Ryan is too high IMO and Winston is too low

I think Lawrence bounces back and shows why there was hype around him

Texans seem to love Mills

2 hours ago, justrelax said:

How is it buffoonery? 

Kicking the can. Constantly leveraging future cap space

11 minutes ago, Infam said:

They wanted a second safety and then Hamilton fell. Clark is no super star but he is not bad. And I want to see Epps too. Harris should be the backup.

All relative. Compared to the best, maybe. But he‘d be a huge upgrade for us. And we got a good defense, he should look more consistent here. Is ge worth it over less expensive upgrades? Depends on how close you think we are right now. I‘d say yes, let‘s give it our best shot this year.

But you'd have to give up assets for Clark. I'd rather have Epps and keep picks than Clark and give up a pick or picks. And Ravens fans think Clark is average at best and bad in coverage, which I don't want. I'd rather just see what Epps can do.

For Bates, I'd take him in a heartbeat in a vacuum, but not for the picks it would cost to acquire him. The Eagles can't be giving up 2nd round picks or even 3rd round picks when they need every pick they can get to possibly move up for a QB next year. He wants to be the highest paid safety in the NFL too, which I wouldn't want to do.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

But you'd have to give up assets for Clark. I'd rather have Epps and keep picks than Clark and give up a pick or picks. And Ravens fans think Clark is average at best and bad in coverage, which I don't want. I'd rather just see what Epps can do.

He‘s pretty good. And for me it would be Clark + Epps.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

For Bates, I'd take him in a heartbeat, but not for the picks it would cost to acquire him. The Eagles can't be giving up 2nd round picks or even 3rd round picks when they need every pick they can get to possibly move up for a QB next year.

I don‘t see it like that. Teams are able to do huge trades for QBs with no additional picks. We got two firsts, we could use a second and be just fine.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

But you'd have to give up assets for Clark. I'd rather have Epps and keep picks than Clark and give up a pick or picks. And Ravens fans think Clark is average at best and bad in coverage, which I don't want. I'd rather just see what Epps can do.

For Bates, I'd take him in a heartbeat, but not for the picks it would cost to acquire him. The Eagles can't be giving up 2nd round picks or even 3rd round picks when they need every pick they can get to possibly move up for a QB next year.

I think Epps has a good chance to start, but they want an upgrade over Harris. I dont see them going into the season with Harris as a starting S. As for giving up a 2nd for Bates. We have plenty of draft capital the next two years in the first 2 rounds to get to where we need to be in the draft.

9 minutes ago, Infam said:

He‘s pretty good. And for me it would be Clark + Epps.

I don‘t see it like that. Teams are able to do huge trades for QBs with no additional picks. We got two firsts, we could use a second and be just fine.

The price to move up into the top 3 next draft(if it's even available to do) is going to start at 3 #1's and 2 #2's and will probably exceed even that if you look at the price the Niners paid to move up for Trey Lance who right now is miles behind Young or Stroud as a prospect at a minimum and possibly even more prospects depending on how 2022 shakes out in college. The price is going to be absurd. If you need to give up that kind of draft capital to move up, you want as many picks as you can have. Not even just to trade up, but so you have something left over if you do trade up and not totally emptied out of all your picks.

40 minutes ago, greend said:

Is he any good?

 

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Would rather give Epps a shot than Clark. He’s not very good. The Ravens invested heavily in two safeties this off-season for a reason. 
 

Also, out of curiosity, I was checking out what Bengals fans thought on Bates and I was surprised that they’re not as high on him as Eagles fans are. They say he’s very hot and cold. When he’s playing well he looks great, one of the better safeties in the NFL. But he disappears for games at a time and doesn’t impact games during those stretches and his great playoff run has caused recency bias to make people think he’s worth being one of the highest paid safeties in the league when he isn’t worth that kind of money.

I would be fine if they traded Reagor for him.  I think he was an OK starter but that Ravens passing defense wasn't that good last season.  He's not worth a lot and wouldn't expect him to be anything other than an average starter. 

18 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Kicking the can. Constantly leveraging future cap space

The cap is imaginary.

3 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

 

Thanks so much for this.  Not only can we all now make an accurate analysis of his play on the field, but I don't think @greend was able to look up this info himself!  

 

7 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

 

Trade him.