Just now, Diehardfan said:

So sorry man. It's one of the most selfish things someone can do because of the pain it causes the people left behind and the questions of "maybe I could have done something".

Ugh settle down on the "selfish" talk, man. You don't know what anyone else is really going through.

Just now, Saltpeter said:

Ugh settle down on the "selfish" talk, man. You don't know what anyone else is really going through.

Not even a little bit. Outside of escaping medical pain it is the most selfish thing someone can do. Been through it enough with friends and family to know.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Not even a little bit. Outside of escaping medical pain it is the most selfish thing someone can do. Been through it enough with friends and family to know.

Yup.  Taking one's life is just about making things all about them.  Every person who commits suicide is clearly a narcissist.  

11 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Yup.  Taking one's life is just about making things all about them.  Every person who commits suicide is clearly a narcissist.  

No, they are selfish though. Can't count on one hand how many friends and family members have done it. The pain it causes those left behind...

That doesn't mean I don't have empathy for those who reach that point, but they end their pain and everyone else is left with a scar and guilt wondering what else we could have done that never goes away.

I can't see us trading compensation plus dishing out a 15 mil per year contract for Bates. They did want Williams supposedly and offered right around that but he chose Baltimore. We didn't go to the price required to land Reid. So therefore I can't see them paying Bates that salary plus giving up something valuable. Though he kind of would be the finishing touch to this off season. I wonder if any of these new personnel guys have high grades on Bates and would try to sway Howie. 
Next year I want that stud DE to add to the line. Assuming Davis is the real deal and the rest of the guys are what they are supposed to be plus Sweat/Milton take another step forward, DE Isaiah Foskey is someone that could be the finishing touch to a top line.
If Cox is let go and Hargrave not extended, dare I say DT could also be yet another potential high selection. But I really want that stud DE as of now. 

27 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No, they are selfish though. Can't count on one hand how many friends and family members have done it. The pain it causes those left behind...

That doesn't mean I don't have empathy for those who reach that point, but they end their pain and everyone else is left with a scar and guilt wondering what else we could have done that never goes away.

I am not dismissing the impact it has had on you.  I truly empathize.

Imagine if the NFL had relegation like the Premier League. No chance it happens, but that kills tanking.

Whoa he signed before TC. He must be motivated, finally. 

23 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I am not dismissing the impact it has had on you.  I truly empathize.

I don't mean to come off uncaring or unsympathetic of people who reach that point.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

https://footballadvantage.com/cover-6/

Cover 6 is a good high-school coverage, but a bad NFL-level coverage. It just gets crushed by smart QBs who understands spacing.

Thank you for posting this link. Looks to me like this will only work with really fast LBs. Also looks like it may be good on 3rd and a bunch but 3rd and 5? Not so much. Would be happy to hear more from anyone with insight.

54 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Yup.  Taking one's life is just about making things all about them.  Every person who commits suicide is clearly a narcissist.  

Simply not true.

2 hours ago, Westbrook#36 said:

Best friend killed himself last night. I feel so bad I'm numb. Wish I would have called him just one more time.

That's tough.  You can't blame yourself though.  

Prayer for you and the rest of his friends and family.

28 minutes ago, RLC said:

Imagine if the NFL had relegation like the Premier League. No chance it happens, but that kills tanking.

I hate that idea.  BUT... I am in favor of the reshuffling of the draft order.  Instead of the top pick going to the team that had the worst record... give it to the team that was the last one to miss the cut.  And then #18 goes to the team with the worst record.  Incentivizes winning out for teams that aren't in the playoff chase.

One of my best friends killed himself almost 10 years ago, and another one of mine attempted it about 5 years ago. Mental health is a lifetime struggle for some. There's never anything someone can say or do that takes away the pain of a lost loved one. It's extremely difficult and still hurts to this day, but the pain does subside over time. Cherish the good times you had.

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Yup.  Taking one's life is just about making things all about them.  Every person who commits suicide is clearly a narcissist.  

I had a friend who had three types of cancer, bouts of dementia. He had two cats he could no longer care for, nor for himself. His medical bills were through the roof. His friends were exhausted caring for him. Half a dozen of us rotated in. My wife and I took his cats. That was the last thing that he was holding on to. When he was sure they had a good home he killed himself with a combination of drugs.

Damn anyone who considers him a narcissist.

3 hours ago, Westbrook#36 said:

Best friend killed himself last night. I feel so bad I'm numb. Wish I would have called him just one more time.

I've lost a couple friends to suicide and I immediately thought the same, that I should have reached out one more time.☹️

Sorry for your loss that really sucks!

52 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Thank you for posting this link. Looks to me like this will only work with really fast LBs. Also looks like it may be good on 3rd and a bunch but 3rd and 5? Not so much. Would be happy to hear more from anyone with insight.

Yup. Cover 6 is protecting deep, so the LBs have to carry the seams (potentially) AND the flats.

That's the biggest problem. This is an easy coverage to check down against. Want to run this on 3rd and 12? Fine. Otherwise, no thanks.

By the way,  happy birthday to me. And @OCEaglefan and I feel like there's one more I may be forgetting. 

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

No, they are selfish though. Can't count on one hand how many friends and family members have done it. The pain it causes those left behind...

That doesn't mean I don't have empathy for those who reach that point, but they end their pain and everyone else is left with a scar and guilt wondering what else we could have done that never goes away.

Some people are suffering more than people understand, especially if they’ve never felt that way. It’s hard to kill yourself without making a mess for someone to deal with. So in that way it’s selfish. But it’s also a little bit selfish for people to make someone else’s choice all about them. Like "you selfish ****. Look what your suicide did to ME.” 
 

I see both sides. I’m going to my uncle's funeral tomorrow who killed himself last week. He was in hospice, hadn’t eaten in 14 days, and was told he had two days to live. So he shot himself. I don’t blame him one bit. Yeah, he left some blood. Yeah, my parents had to be questioned as suspects, but I can’t imagine he thought that would happen. But he took his suffering into his own hands. Some might say that’s selfish. He should’ve just starved to death for two more days. But I just disagree 

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

By the way,  happy birthday to me. And @OCEaglefan and I feel like there's one more I may be forgetting. 

Many happy returns to you and Britain Covey.

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Simply not true.

 

51 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I had a friend who had three types of cancer, bouts of dementia. He had two cats he could no longer care for, nor for himself. His medical bills were through the roof. His friends were exhausted caring for him. Half a dozen of us rotated in. My wife and I took his cats. That was the last thing that he was holding on to. When he was sure they had a good home he killed himself with a combination of drugs.

Damn anyone who considers him a narcissist.

I was being cynical.  I wholeheartedly disagree with the OP

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Simply not true.

I don't think he was being serious in saying that.

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

I had a friend who had three types of cancer, bouts of dementia. He had two cats he could no longer care for, nor for himself. His medical bills were through the roof. His friends were exhausted caring for him. Half a dozen of us rotated in. My wife and I took his cats. That was the last thing that he was holding on to. When he was sure they had a good home he killed himself with a combination of drugs.

Damn anyone who considers him a narcissist.

 I think he was being facetious about his comment.  I'm very sorry to hear that about your friend though!

11 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

I was being cynical.  I wholeheartedly disagree with the OP

My apologies. I didn't think what you said was in keeping with how I have perceived you in the past. It's a sore subject with me.

4 hours ago, Westbrook#36 said:

Best friend killed himself last night. I feel so bad I'm numb. Wish I would have called him just one more time.

That’s awful to hear. I’m sorry for your loss.