2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Just imagine if Jalen Hurts was white.  He wouldn't have half the support his does right now.  Hurts race is the most important thing for a lot of fans out there.  For most of us, we couldn't care less what race he is.  We want a top QB.  Not a below average QB who can run the ball. 

Jalen Hurts is trending to be a more mobile Baker Mayfield.  No one wants Baker Mayfield.

From	To	From	To	AV	G	Record	Comp	ATT	Comp%	Yards	TD	Rating	Long	INT	Sack	Yards					Rush Att	Yards	TD
1	Jalen Hurts	2020	2021	21	30	9-10-0	342	580	59.0	4205	22	84.7	91	13	39	209					202	1138	13
2	Baker Mayfield	2018	2021	45	60	29-30-0	1185	1924	61.6	14125	92	87.8	89	56	134	889					158	571	5

 

 

Baker stopped improving after his second season.  

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Just imagine if Jalen Hurts was white.  He wouldn't have half the support his does right now.  Hurts race is the most important thing for a lot of fans out there.  For most of us, we couldn't care less what race he is.  We want a top QB.  Not a below average QB who can run the ball. 

Jalen Hurts is trending to be a more mobile Baker Mayfield.  No one wants Baker Mayfield.

From	To	From	To	AV	G	Record	Comp	ATT	Comp%	Yards	TD	Rating	Long	INT	Sack	Yards					Rush Att	Yards	TD
1	Jalen Hurts	2020	2021	21	30	9-10-0	342	580	59.0	4205	22	84.7	91	13	39	209					202	1138	13
2	Baker Mayfield	2018	2021	45	60	29-30-0	1185	1924	61.6	14125	92	87.8	89	56	134	889					158	571	5

Hurts would have to have 62 TD's in his next 24 games to catch Baker in total TD's, not a chance in hell.

26 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s not a race issue. I’ve been critical and bashed foles in his first stint here in 2014 when he was playing poorly, i hated Kevin kolb and was critical of him from the time they drafted him, i was critical of vick in 2011 and 2012, i was critical of wentz in 2020 and even the first half of 2019 and i freaking ripped into sam Bradford his one year here and after he whined about the drafting of wentz. This isn’t a race issue. This is if you aren’t good enough as a passer and good enough as a quarterback help us win a title you are going to be criticized and everything is going to be scrutinized because we want to win a SB. We expect to win one and that really only happens if you get good quarterback play. This race issue is a bunch BS by some fans of the fan base who don’t want to accept that hurts like foles like wentz like Bradford like vick like kolb and like mcnabb have their flaws they either couldn’t overcome or needed to improve to get to the next level. 

It's not a race issue especially since the take isn't relative to any player but Carson Strong.  The take isn't Carson Strong should be the Eagles' starting QB by week 4.  It's simply that he has the potential to be a decent starting QB.  

Who the report cites is a podcast by Matt Waldman and Marc Schofield.  This is Waldman's take on Hurts: 

Hurts makes a lot of plays like this one above and there will be an NFL organization that will value Hurts as a developmental option with the potential to take over the starting role within a few years. The odds are against most Day 2 and Day 3 draft picks but within the scope of how the NFL works, Hurts is a worthwhile investment for a team willing to show patience on the return.https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2020/01/28/matt-waldmans-rsp-boiler-room-qb-jalen-hurts-full-field-and-off-platform/ 

Schofield's take on Hurts was similar: 

Comparison: Like some of the other passers in this group, it makes sense to apply both a floor and ceiling comparison for Hurts. He could have a very Tyrod Taylor-like career, but if things come together for him, and he lands in the right spot to develop, Hurts could grow into a player similar to Dak Prescott, who makes plays with his legs and in the downfield passing game in and out of structure. https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2020/04/01/scouting-breakdown-the-11-best-quarterbacks-in-the-2020-nfl-draft/6/ 

I mean it's not about anything other than how they see Strong's potential.  

 

57 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Baker stopped improving after his second season.  

Wrong. His third season was his statistical best, by far.

Last year he struggled with injuries, yet, still had more passing TDs than Hurts

Edit: I forgot, Hurts Squirters don’t count rookie years for some reason. So Baker has only had 3 seasons in Hurts years 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Wrong. His third season was his statistical best, by far.

Last year he struggled with injuries, yet, still had more passing TDs than Hurts

Edit: I forgot, Hurts Squirters don’t count rookie years for some reason. So Baker has only had 3 seasons in Hurts years 

 

His 3rd season wasn't all that different from his first season.  Baker seems to have hit his ceiling.  No reason to believe that Hurts has hit his.  

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Wrong. His third season was his statistical best, by far.

Last year he struggled with injuries, yet, still had more passing TDs than Hurts

Edit: I forgot, Hurts Squirters don’t count rookie years for some reason. So Baker has only had 3 seasons in Hurts years 

You would be better off not even arguing or feeding that troll lol.

 

56 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean it's not about anything other than how they see Strong's potential.  

 

On 4/1/2022 at 10:48 AM, KDUB1510 said:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/75B4t5tsFL5Lxx0snLU4Qr?si=C9-G6pHrT4aae5ax3dvrpg&utm_source=copy-link Here is a fantasy podcast that had Matt Waldman on to discuss his top QB's. The discussion starts around the 3 minute mark. When asked who he would compare Strong to, Waldman said "a more technically professioned version of Philip Rivers". He has Strong as his QB1 based on FILM and not what the media is saying. He echos what i've been saying about Strong, which is that if the knee holds up, he could be a stud. Waldman has Corral and Pickett as his QB2 & QB3. I'd be fine with any of those 3 but Strong is my preference. I find it hard to believe that Sirianni would pass on potentially a Philip Rivers clone just to stick with Hurts, a guy he had no influence in drafting.

Made this post in the Strong thread a couple months ago. Now obviously i was wrong about Siri not passing on him but the overall point of the post still stands. I found it very interesting that Waldman comped Strong to the QB that our current HC & OC had their most success with. I could be flat out wrong about this kid but i honestly believe if his knee holds up, it's only a matter of time before he gets his opportunity and never looks back. It would be the most Howie thing ever to strike out on Wentz/Hurts and hit with an UDFA QB, ala Mailata/Dillard, Watkins/Reagor, Sweat/Barnett etc. 

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

His 3rd season wasn't all that different from his first season.  Baker seems to have hit his ceiling.  No reason to believe that Hurts has hit his.  

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

His 3rd season wasn't all that different from his first season.  Baker seems to have hit his ceiling.  No reason to believe that Hurts has hit his.  

Just so we are all clear, here is his stats, 3rd season highlighted.  He also won a playoff game his 3rd season.

 

 

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You don’t care if we sink hundreds of millions and the next 5 seasons on a running QB?   Doesn’t surprise me.  You’re not very smart.  

Deep in the playoffs, QBs like that re neutralized. The goal is a SB, not a "maybe if we do this...". Agreeing with you.

 

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

And 4 years 100 million into a WR.

Look in the contract details. The guaranteed money, etc. It's a much better contract than the headline suggests.

1 minute ago, matchew88 said:

Deep in the playoffs, QBs like that re neutralized. The goal is a SB, not a "maybe if we do this...". Agreeing with you.

 

Look in the contract details. The guaranteed money, etc. It's a much better contract than the headline suggests.

They can get out of it after 2024.  Be curious if they did that based on Hurts, if they keep him, they will probably go run heavy and have no need for AJ

10 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Don't forget how he looked against the Pats defense last year in a practice.  @brkmsn

Judging by the strange notifications I'm getting all of a sudden, it appears you're looking back through the old posts. Good for you. Like I said yesterday, we weren't talking about Hurts at that time. I was more impressed with the WRs' good showings. Obviously my excitement for Reagor turned out to be short-lived. Sometimes you'll have to put up with my optimism. While looking through those posts, you'll be reminded that I was also disappointed that we didn't work our starters enough IMO last preseason. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Getting worried huh?  Claiming you didn’t say some dumb ish.   Here you go.  With my response also attached.  Let me know if you want to see some of the dumb ish you were saying about Reagor back then.  You **** to those tweets by that muppet Peterson.  
 

 

Not worried at all. I don't know the future, so my expectations aren't always met. I'm just rooting for the guys we have. If you really want to see some interesting posts, go back the 2020 draft tracker and see who was hoping we would pick Reagor and who was excited after we did. Lots of people make mistakes. 

Pro tip: right next to where it says "report post", there's a little button / icon to the right that allows you to "share the post" --- so you don't have to save and upload images from your phone with 1 bar. 

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Pro tip.  It didn’t work for posts that old.  I’m fully aware of how to quote and multi quote posts.  Go to the "your mom” thread and you can see.   Anything else?  Or are we done here?  

 

50 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Not worried at all. I don't know the future, so my expectations aren't always met. I'm just rooting for the guys we have. If you really want to see some interesting posts, go back the 2020 draft tracker and see who was hoping we would pick Reagor and who was excited after we did. Lots of people make mistakes. 

I was on record saying I liked reagor, his college tape was pretty good, when he weighed around 185 he was fastest most explosive guy in his conference, not sure whose idea it was for him to bulk up to 205, as he's looked slow and sluggish since  

Jefferson worried me because I like many thought he was just a slot, I think a lot of people made the agholor comparison and didn't want to use a first on a slot.

Obviously I was wrong and it wouldnt be the first time in 20+ years that I've been wrong nor will it be my last.

What's annoying are the posters on here that think they've never had a bad take and everything they poop is gold.

If we all had perfect takes and evaluations on players none of us would be on this board, we'd be super bowl winning GMs who even make plenty of inaccurate evaluations.

 

Does anyone else think Alec Hallaby sucks as AGM? Like he hasn’t even done anything yet, he’s already asleep at the wheel. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Does anyone else think Alec Hallaby sucks as AGM? Like he hasn’t even done anything yet, he’s already asleep at the wheel. 

I heard Kelce is gonna retire after this year because of Hallaby and Julian Lurie’s positions in the company 

white qbs are the best

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

His 3rd season wasn't all that different from his first season.  Baker seems to have hit his ceiling.  No reason to believe that Hurts has hit his.  

Mayfield was better in college and has been better early in his career.  The fact that Hurts has  consistently sucked as a passer is to be used as evidence that he hasn’t hit his ceiling?

black qbs are the best

32 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I heard Kelce is gonna retire after this year because of Hallaby and Julian Lurie’s positions in the company 

Mutual decision. Julian doesn’t have time for Boomers.

33 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

white qbs are the best

 

32 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

black qbs are the best

 Proof that D-Day has a different meaning for everyone. 
 

41 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

white qbs are the best

Technically,  you aren't lying.