14 hours ago, Utebird said:

Well then doesn't seem more jail time is the answer no?

If being a spoiled D bag was punishable by jail time then most cowboys fans would be in jail...

Like I said I think there are more effective ways to deter /improve people's negative behavior than throwing them in jail, jail is a waste of time, it's basically adult day care that tax payers pay for, if I'm going to pay I'd rather pay for them to get help rather than funding their bocce ball career.

Waste of time is the best case here, chances are after years in jail he‘ll be worse. Jail doesn‘t equal jail though, the differences in how countries handle their inmates is huge.

The main difference is the prime purpose: Is the Jail meant to make you a better person or is it designed as a punishment in the name of justice?

13 hours ago, Talonblood said:

Settled means "Paid to keep your mouth shut." It doesn't mean this predator didn't commit the crimes. People cave in to $$$$$$$. He is what he is- a pervert predator. 

Chances are that is true. But sometimes people settle even if they are innocent just because the publicity of it, the stories and endless trials feel more punishing than paying. 

6 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Spoiler — one of these guys mentions Davis Mills, they’re searching for names …. no Hurtsy:

 

So in your mind, does that make it more or less likely he will succeed?

Because for me if they were all over him all offseason that would make me feel worse about his chances.

13 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I guess I dont remember clearly enough. We never got proof of any kind of guilt on Sandusky or Nasser?

Those were criminal. Indictments, trials & convictions. I'd say criminal conviction = proof of guilt. Two grand juries refused to indict *Watson* so no trial.

Typo

9 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Saw this gem today from an Eagles news IG account.  

Good god. Is that RTK?

13 hours ago, justrelax said:

I’d like to add a comment here. Prostitutes are human beings too. Theirs is a risky and scary profession. I’ve known a few (not as a john) and the stories vary. My wife attended Bryn Mawr many years ago and one of her classmates paid her way through school as a prostitute. Another, mother of two, hooked after her husband was killed in Iraq. Don’t just um blow them off as sub-human. Desperate is more like it.

My understanding is that prostitution is legal in Canada but the prostitute being controlled by someone else is not or something like that. I've read that more than one Canadian girl has paid her way thru college that way, I'm sure more than one American girl as well. I think Canada's model is more realistic than the U.S. Most often the bad things that come from prostitution are as a result of the woman (usually) being forced one way or another.

27 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

My understanding is that prostitution is legal in Canada but the prostitute being controlled by someone else is not or something like that. I've read that more than one Canadian girl has paid her way thru college that way. I think Canada's model is more realistic than the U.S. Most often the bad things that come from prostitution are as a result of the woman (usually) being forced one way or another.

I believe the law here is the prostitute is free from prosecution but the John is not 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I believe the law here is the prostitute is free from prosecution but the John is not 

Glad my name is Joe. I’m moving to Canada!

 

Poutine and prostitutes!

1 hour ago, eglz1 said:

Those were criminal. Indictments, trials & convictions. I'd say criminal conviction = proof of guilt. Two grand juries refused to indict Hurts so no trial.

They declined not refused.

Declining to indict is not omission of guilt.

Grand jury's are held in secret without a judge usually with 20 jurors which need a slim majority of 11 votes to get an indictment.

In Watsons case there were 12 jurors and needed 9 votes?

Also the prosecutor for whatever reason only brought in like 4 witnesses and I think only 1 testified, so it's almost like the prosecutor wasnt even really trying.

Having said that in cases such as Watsons where evidence comes down to he said she said it's difficult to get an issue of guilt without a shadow of doubt of guilt.

Of course Watson immediately made a statement that this proves that he isn't guilty yet he still is settling with 20+ women in civil court.

People that are innocent don't settle, he's settling to make it go away and keep it out of the public record and victims in sexual assault cases would rather settle in civic cases as it keeps them out of the spotlight which can create opportunities for them to be revictiimized by the public.

 

1 hour ago, eglz1 said:

Those were criminal. Indictments, trials & convictions. I'd say criminal conviction = proof of guilt. Two grand juries refused to indict Hurts so no trial.

Hurts is such a good guy he’s taking the fall for Watson. Luckily grand juries didn’t find enough to take to trial. 

I can’t recall this many active players ever dying in one offseason. What a shame, too young. 

1 hour ago, eglz1 said:

Those were criminal. Indictments, trials & convictions. I'd say criminal conviction = proof of guilt. Two grand juries refused to indict Hurts so no trial.

 

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts is such a good guy he’s taking the fall for Watson. Luckily grand juries didn’t find enough to take to trial. 

 

24 minutes ago, Thrive said:

 Hurts had to go in front of a Grand Jury for impersonating a QB.  

Time to trade Hurts for Watson!

On 6/20/2022 at 5:13 PM, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Dak threw for nearly 4,500 yards and 37 TDs last season.  I don't think it was due to any confidence in Dak's arm.  Mike McCarthy is just a terrible headcoach.

 

Shouldn't really surprise me though how big of fans the blog is of Mike McCarthy though.  Makes sense that you people would view him as a good HC.  

I agree that McCarthy sucks.  Again, Dak has not played well against winning teams and played poorly against the 49ers.  He had a chance to bring the team back and regardless of the play call did not give the team an opportunity to win.  Yes, he's by far the best QB in the NFC East.  I would take him over Hurts and he would make the Eagles a contender.  The reality is that he may just not be good enough to win.  

14 hours ago, BigEFly said:

All of them.  As @justrelax said , over 90% of suits are settled out of court.  Add to that the claims that never get into suit and the percentage of cases tried are even smaller.  Then factor in that the most common litigation in the country is business v business.  

Thing to know is Buzbee is a billboard attorney and not afraid to advertise for clients. Some of those suits were about inappropriate language (possibly propositioning - must have got his knowledge of massage therapists from Robert Kraft) or touching him while massaging him.  Cannot imagine how anyone could massage a groin muscle and not come into contact.  There apparently was some consensual sex with a few.  

What's wrong with billboards? 

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

I believe the law here is the prostitute is free from prosecution but the John is not 

I did some further reading on this topic and yes, the John 'being on the hook' seems correct. At least the sex worker being legal may be more likely to report an assault, a step in the right direction at least.

54 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Typo, sorry 😳

Doesn’t look like Goodell’s testimony to Congress will be televised today.

6 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I did some further reading on this topic and yes, the John 'being on the hook' seems correct. At least the sex worker being legal may be more likely to report an assault, a step in the right direction at least.

Typo, sorry 😳

Yes, definitely a step in the right direction. It should just be fully legalized and regulated. Would be a lot safer for all involved. 

19 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

If the ladies claim there were sex acts performed,  and accept a cash settlement, isn't that basically prostitution allowed by the court?

No - sex acts were performed. The women were assaulted.  

2 hours ago, eglz1 said:

My understanding is that prostitution is legal in Canada but the prostitute being controlled by someone else is not or something like that. I've read that more than one Canadian girl has paid her way thru college that way, I'm sure more than one American girl as well. I think Canada's model is more realistic than the U.S. Most often the bad things that come from prostitution are as a result of the woman (usually) being forced one way or another.

 

21 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Supposedly the league is pushing for a full season and the NFLPA is bracing for something "unprecedented". I think they might push for more than a season and eventually settle or appeal to a full season. 

NFL is a reactionary league with punishments. I expect them to make an example of him after even more came out recently. 

Any large company that's public image is impacted by the misconduct of an employee is going to react to that conduct.  The reality is that he would be fired from most companies for this kind of conduct. 

20 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Krafts lawyers got the video thrown out and determined it was a violation of his 4th amendment rights. It was illegal for the NFL to even have or review the video. Subsequently all his chargers were dismissed and the only thing NFL investigators could even do is talk to witnesses who were unwilling or have Kraft admit everything to them. There was no basis for them to punish him. Completely different than what Watson is going through.

Jones is a slimeball but still a different situation than what Watson has. Snyder I won't argue. But I think they are just trying to kick him out of the league at this point. 

Jameis Winston was suspended for 3 games for allegedly groping an Uber drive which he settled out of court in 2017. 1 case and he got 3 games. 24 cases and only 4 to 6 doesn't make sense. 

Why would the NFL be bound by the decision of the court? The NFL is a private company and Kraft is a franchise owner.  I mean could the McDonalds revoke a franchisee license for a store owner based on personal conduct? Sure it's a private business it can do anything they want as long as it does not violate contractual obligations or potential statutory protections of employees.  

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Why would the NFL be bound by the decision of the court? The NFL is a private company and Kraft is a franchise owner.  I mean could the McDonalds revoke a franchisee license for a store owner based on personal conduct? Sure it's a private business it can do anything they want as long as it does not violate contractual obligations or potential statutory protections of employees.  

Easy. Because of the court they had no evidence. Because they have no evidence they need witness testimony, which they also didn't have. Could they have punished him? Sure. But this was all under the personal conduct policy, so it would go to a Disciplinary Officer and basically becomes almost a legal case where the league presents there evidence to the D.O. and pushes for what they want, but ultimately the D.O. decides the punishment. Once the D.O. finds there is no basis for punishment, the Commissioner is powerless in that situation. 

https://www.yahoo.com/now/with-his-prostitution-charge-dropped-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-decimated-the-nfls-personal-conduct-probe-032516738.html

1 hour ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Glad my name is Joe. I’m moving to Canada!

 

Poutine and prostitutes!

If that‘s all you care about it is legal in Europe..